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Some thoughts on current situation

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zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2015, 08:06:18 PM »
Yes the khawarij are to be opposed.
I do believe Isis are khawarij.
Bashar is alawite. Please tell me are alawites muslim or not? Can Muslims live under a non muslim ruler or not?
What is the ruling on those who encourage the Muslims to live under the rule of a non muslim?






Muwahhid

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2015, 12:31:43 AM »
Very strange thread.

This forum is anti Shia. Bashar is from one of the most extreme Shia sects I.e. Alawites.
According to most on this forum bashar & alawites in general are kafir.
A regular senior member of this forum which exposes Shia is saying its better to live under alawite bashar??

Also I think its best for those outside Syria to leave it to those in Syria to know what the conditions are there. For us who live outside Syria its easy to give our analysis but we aren't there so we should let the syrian people speak for themselves.

I am anti-Shia, but I am more anti-Khawarij.  Remeber that the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم warned us about the khawarij, but never about the Shi'a.

I do not consider Shi'as kuffar, not their scholars or their laymen, not those who live in Saudi or those who live outside of Saudi.

I think it's better to do things with wisdom, and while life under Bashar was unbearable, it seems at least that back then people were alive, as opposed to now when you have all this unnecessary bloodshed.  Also don't forget, people were scaring us back then with "Syrians are turning Shi'a!!" but don't seem to care that this war is actually causing Muslims to turn Christian!

Finally, as far as letting the people of Syria worry about themselves; well here is the thing.  The actions of the people of Syria actually affect people outside of Syria, nothing happens in a vacuum.  Some of us have family there, while I can't imagine a single Muslims hasn't felt the negative impacts of ISIS.

You dont consider Shi'a to be kuffar, not their scholars or laymen??  Subhanallah, not the twelvers or the Alawites even???

The twelvers are outside the fold of Islam let alone the Alawis who are further from Islam than the christians and jews!, while the khawarij are inside the fold of Islam, but yet you say you're more anti-khawarij than anti-shi'a, Ajeeb! To say you dont even make takfir on the scholars of the rawafidh means you have extreme Irjaa' akhi.

Look what the 3ulamaa said about the rawafidh (twelvers):

Hani

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2015, 01:40:33 AM »
Political topic closed for being political.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

 

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