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21 million gather in karbala?

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Hadrami

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2016, 04:56:56 AM »
I added the calculations to the article to show that roads don't matter much.

Hani, update it with this detail calculation

Width of Karbala to Najaf Rd is 8m wide in total, 4m each way (let's be generous and say it's 10m wide)
Distance from each cities border is 57400m
Total road area from Najaf to Karbala = 57400m x 10m = 574000 m2
Using the Jacob's Method, calculation for the most crowded gathering would be 0.232m2/person.

Total no of people to fit Najaf-Karbala Rd in the most crowded situation = 574000 / 0.232 = 2,474,137 persons
« Last Edit: December 28, 2016, 05:02:25 AM by Hadrami »

Optimus Prime

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2016, 04:56:16 PM »
I added the calculations to the article to show that roads don't matter much.

Hani, update it with this detail calculation

Width of Karbala to Najaf Rd is 8m wide in total, 4m each way (let's be generous and say it's 10m wide)
Distance from each cities border is 57400m
Total road area from Najaf to Karbala = 57400m x 10m = 574000 m2
Using the Jacob's Method, calculation for the most crowded gathering would be 0.232m2/person.

Total no of people to fit Najaf-Karbala Rd in the most crowded situation = 574000 / 0.232 = 2,474,137 persons

The Shias have been mathematically refuted. :D

plex

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2016, 08:55:43 AM »
I added the calculations to the article to show that roads don't matter much.

Hani, update it with this detail calculation

Width of Karbala to Najaf Rd is 8m wide in total, 4m each way (let's be generous and say it's 10m wide)
Distance from each cities border is 57400m
Total road area from Najaf to Karbala = 57400m x 10m = 574000 m2
Using the Jacob's Method, calculation for the most crowded gathering would be 0.232m2/person.

Total no of people to fit Najaf-Karbala Rd in the most crowded situation = 574000 / 0.232 = 2,474,137 persons

You know the walk starts anywhere from 10-14 days prior to arbaeen right? They don't all walk on the same day...........math is good only if you know how to apply it. What's the benefit of trying to debunk that they weren't 20 or 25 or 30 million? It's pretty much common knowledge by now.

Hani

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2016, 08:59:34 AM »
I guarantee you that all visitors to Karbala' during the entirety of the 40 days don't reach 1 million. The roads are nowhere near full may God punish your lying scholars.

The purpose is to further expose the lies of the sect of liars (your scholars).
« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 09:02:50 AM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

plex

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2016, 09:12:03 AM »
I guarantee you that all visitors to Karbala' during the entirety of the 40 days don't reach 1 million. The roads are nowhere near full may God punish your lying scholars.

The purpose is to further expose the lies of the sect of liars (your scholars).

Why do you say my scholars? If you think im a shia, you have to dig deeper friend. But i'll make it easier for you, i'm actually 50/50 and i haven't decided yet.

You can say they didn't reach 1 million all you like, but i guess everyone, including all the news agencies, western media, eastern media, all shias/and sunnis alike are lying right? And i was actually in Karbala last year, and believe it or not........i wouldn't be surprised if they said 50 million. It was packed. It's just a silly argument to make, it doesn't prove anything other than desperation.

I just find it weird that this is the standard. Both shias and sunnis are using such unprofessional tactics, it's sad to watch. On one side you have Yasir shishkebab habib and allahyari, on the other side you have crazy beard down to ankles sunnis, and then you have their fanbase. Both covering sides of the same sword. I like to watch proper discussions about hadith, from people who actually know what they are talking about. You guys, and the guys over at shiachat, always throw random hadith around and when it doesn't fit you guys you either call foul(fake hadith) or start insulting. I'm used to that, but this, this was just a new low.

It's just a sad attempt at debunking a fact.

Hani

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2016, 09:39:35 AM »
I guarantee you that all visitors to Karbala' during the entirety of the 40 days don't reach 1 million. The roads are nowhere near full may God punish your lying scholars.

The purpose is to further expose the lies of the sect of liars (your scholars).

Why do you say my scholars? If you think im a shia, you have to dig deeper friend. But i'll make it easier for you, i'm actually 50/50 and i haven't decided yet.

You can say they didn't reach 1 million all you like, but i guess everyone, including all the news agencies, western media, eastern media, all shias/and sunnis alike are lying right? And i was actually in Karbala last year, and believe it or not........i wouldn't be surprised if they said 50 million. It was packed. It's just a silly argument to make, it doesn't prove anything other than desperation.

I just find it weird that this is the standard. Both shias and sunnis are using such unprofessional tactics, it's sad to watch. On one side you have Yasir shishkebab habib and allahyari, on the other side you have crazy beard down to ankles sunnis, and then you have their fanbase. Both covering sides of the same sword. I like to watch proper discussions about hadith, from people who actually know what they are talking about. You guys, and the guys over at shiachat, always throw random hadith around and when it doesn't fit you guys you either call foul(fake hadith) or start insulting. I'm used to that, but this, this was just a new low.

It's just a sad attempt at debunking a fact.

Don't bother defending what can't be defended. First of all you being there doesn't aid you in estimating numbers unless you were hovering in a helicopter. You can be around 10,000 people and think you're surrounding by 10,000,000 as that's the most you'll be able to make out in a small city with crowded streets.

As for debunking, we've already acheived that. They said it's the largest gathering in the world with 20+ million pilgrims, this is a lie and the evidence is visual and clear, refer to our article.

We do not deny that there is a gathering, but the lies about numbers are outrageous and insulting to intellect. Secondly, I don't claim all news agencies are lying, I'm claiming one propaganda source is lying and the rest are copying it. I work in media monitoring for an NGO here in Chicago so trust me I know when they all blindly copy. The only reason people convert to Shiasm is due to them believing the many lies and falsehood propagated by the sect, almost nothing they say is true or accurate.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hani

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2016, 09:44:04 AM »
PS. if you're 50/50, it means you're open minded to a great extent, I can offer my skype/Whatsapp if you wish to further discuss all details related to Sunni/Shia.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2017, 06:48:07 PM »
And i was actually in Karbala last year, and believe it or not........i wouldn't be surprised if they said 50 million. It was packed. It's just a silly argument to make, it doesn't prove anything other than desperation.

Have you been to hajj? I have. If youve been there youd probably say there were 100mil people there :D

MuslimAnswers

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2017, 07:56:31 PM »
Quote
Don't bother defending what can't be defended. First of all you being there doesn't aid you in estimating numbers unless you were hovering in a helicopter. You can be around 10,000 people and think you're surrounding by 10,000,000 as that's the most you'll be able to make out in a small city with crowded streets.

As for debunking, we've already acheived that. They said it's the largest gathering in the world with 20+ million pilgrims, this is a lie and the evidence is visual and clear, refer to our article.

We do not deny that there is a gathering, but the lies about numbers are outrageous and insulting to intellect. Secondly, I don't claim all news agencies are lying, I'm claiming one propaganda source is lying and the rest are copying it. I work in media monitoring for an NGO here in Chicago so trust me I know when they all blindly copy. The only reason people convert to Shiasm is due to them believing the many lies and falsehood propagated by the sect, almost nothing they say is true or accurate.

I personally believe the information is put forward like this first for their own consumption.

But it is also for the wider world, the message being: "Look, we have these 50-60 million sincere Shia believers that must pass from Iran all the way to Iraq (and soon to Syria), so we absolutely must religiously cleanse these 20-25 million Sunni enemies standing in their way so as not to cause any inconveniences to the Shias. Hope you don't mind". Of course, the world at large, being totally ignorant of these matters, will not pay attention to the developing catastrophe, and will say: "Yeah, whatever".
« Last Edit: January 02, 2017, 07:59:01 PM by MuslimAnswers »

Ebn Hussein

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2017, 12:40:53 AM »

You can say they didn't reach 1 million all you like, but i guess everyone, including all the news agencies, western media, eastern media, all shias/and sunnis alike are lying right?

What sort of argumentation is that? Western Media? SUNNIS? Which of them did any research on ground? All of them copy ridiculous Shia news. Only a fool believes everything the media says (copies).
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

GreatChineseFall

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2017, 08:21:10 PM »
Apparently Arbaeen for them was on November the 21st

GreatChineseFall

Re: 21 million gather in karbala?
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2017, 12:48:35 AM »
The references to Arbaeen have been removed from Wikipedia's "List of largest peaceful gatherings" I just saw.

 

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