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Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2016, 11:55:14 PM »
http://www.jesus-for-all.net/islamic_books/pdf_0050.pdf

It's in this Book ,Page 45 to 48, where we can find the scoop of the 21st century !

Abou Hourayra has never seen the messenger (puh) !

« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 12:02:52 AM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2016, 07:25:44 PM »
For this book of Bouhamdi.

I am with brothers of TAQIYA.NET.

They confimed me that he has used the hadith of Tabaqat from ibn Saad


قال: أخبرنا محمد بن عمر. قال: حدثني كثير بن زيد. عن الوليد بن رباح. قال: سمعت أبا هريرة يومئذ يقول لمروان: والله ما أنت وال وإن الوالي لغيرك فدعه. ولكنك تدخل في مالا يعنيك. إنما تريد بهذا إرضاء من هو غائب عنك. قال: فأقبل عليه مروان مغضبا فقال له: يا أبا هريرة إن الناس قد قالوا أكثر عن رسول الله ص الحديث. وإنما قدم قبل وفاة رسول الله ص بيسير.
فقال أبو هريرة: قدمت والله ورسول الله ص بخيبر سنة سبع وأنا يومئذ قد زدت على الثلاثين سنة سنوات. فأقمت معه حتى توفي ص أدور معه في بيوت نسائه وأخدمه. وأنا والله يومئذ مقل وأصلي خلفه وأغزو وأحج معه. فكنت والله أعلم الناس بحديثه/ قد والله سبقني قوم بصحبته والهجرة. من قريش والأنصار، فكانوا يعرفون لزومي له فيسألوني عن حديثه. منهم عمر بن الخطاب- وهدي عمر هدي عمر- ومنهم عثمان وعلي والزبير وطلحة. ولا والله ما يخفى علي كل حدث كان بالمدينة. وكل من أحب الله ورسوله. وكل من كانت له عند رسول الله ص منزلة. وكل صاحب لرسول الله ص. فكان أبو بكر رضي الله عنه صاحبه في الغار. وغيره قد أخرجه رسول الله ص من المدينة أن يساكنه. فليسألني أبو عبد الملك عن هذا وأشباهه فإنه يجد عندي منه علما كثيرا جما. قال: فو الله إن زال مروان يقصر عنه عن هذا الوجه بعد ذلك ويتقيه ويخاف جوابه. ويحب على ذلك أن ينال من أبي هريرة ولا يكون هو منه بسبب . يفرق من أن يبلغ أبا هريرة أن مروان كان من هذا بسبب . فيعود له بمثل ذلك فكف عنه

the ISNAD : أخبرنا محمد بن عمر. قال: حدثني كثير بن زيد. عن الوليد بن رباح
There is Mohamad Ibn Omar (el wakidi)

The Hadith is DAIF

إسناده ضعيف.
- كثير بن زيد بن مافنة- بفتح الفاء وتشديد النون- الأسلمي أبو محمد المدني صدوق يخطئ. من السابعة مات في آخر خلافة المنصور (تق: 2/ 131) .
- الوليد بن رباح المدني. صدوق. من الثالثة. مات سنة 117 هـ (تق: 2/ 332) .
تخريجه:
وانظر البداية والنهاية: 8/ 108 فقد ساقه عن ابن سعد بإسناده. وقد أخرج مسلم في صحيحه كتاب فضائل الصحابة حديث رقم (2492) من طريق الزهري عن الأعرج وابن المسيب عن أبي هريرة: يقولون: إن أبا هريرة قد أكثر عن رسول الله ص والله الموعد ... ثم ذكر ملازمته لرسول الله ودعاء الرسول له بالحفظ.

The brother of http://www.al-taqiya.org/ , will see if there are another authentic narations about the age of Abou Hourayra when he met the messenger.
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #62 on: March 15, 2016, 01:02:03 AM »








In this Book I have read one thing whtich confirm my hypothesis About Kaab el Ahbar.

Because In this Book we find. "Omar said to Kaab el Ahbar Build Masjid for Muslim!"

 I think Omar had never seen Al Qods before the conquest of this town. So He needed a muslim who knew this town for built this Majid.

So in fact the "cadastal map" of masjid Al Aqsa should be in the Thorat.

For jews the rock dome is the place when Abraham shoulde be sacrifaced his son.

Then i have read in a short flyers from Palestinian humanitarian association saying.

" this majid was probably buid by Adam or the son of nouh"
"Ibrahim also has buid this Masjid"
"Souleyman wanted a kingdom after he has build this masjid"

SO for Kaab el Ahbar this land of Al Aqsa is linked with the power of messengers like in the thorat. It's probably why he liked Omar Ibn Khattab...


It's just a very personnal opinion but
May be the Hadith when the messenger( saws )say  " If there is one prophet afer me it would have been Omar" is linked with the fact that Omar will conquest Al Qods... Because Omar was the first muslim since old messengers who has conquest this holy lands where they(messengers) guided people...

In any case I think it's was the point of view of Kaab! acording to his knowledge[/b]

PS: Please someone know if the conquest of Al qods was After or Before the expulsion of jews from Khaybar by the caliphe Omar???

Because if Kaab has build the masjid AFTER the explution of jews that show his sincerity contrary to Ibn Saba who has not accept that!

Show this little Present...

For some shias.  they don't recognized this masjid!




If Abou Hourayra has met this man it's an Honor!
« Last Edit: March 15, 2016, 01:19:06 AM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2016, 12:52:50 AM »
Now I work with the hadith saying.

"better during paganism are better during Islam"

Accoring to many scholars like Ibn Hajar, this hadith is linked with the Hadith of the fight against Turkist and it announced their conversion to Islam!



And when we read all Hadith about the conversion of Turk people. We see that others sahaba have reword words of the messenger saws.

But Abou Hourayra has reported the hadith since the figh against turck to their conversion. Exactly with same eloquent words of the messegenrs saws. (thanks to his memory)



Currently, Tatars have no consideration in Criméa...

It's sad to see this people annouced by the messenger through Abou Hourayra so belittle... Make Duah for them....





« Last Edit: March 21, 2016, 12:54:30 AM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2016, 12:57:12 PM »
Also we must know that Muawiya was very afraid to fight Turkish.

He forbad his army to fight against Turkish.

Mouawiya was afraid because he knew the hadith saying " The khalifa will be take by  Qantûrâ (turkish)"

According To Al Albani this last sentence is daif. But for Ibn Hajar it's sahih.

In any case this hadith reported by Abou Hourayra saying " the better during Jahilia is the better during Islam".
It"s the proof that the DNA of Islam has not change since the time of the messenger saws!

This part of the hadith . I think only Abou Hourayra reported this part. Symbolise Islam. Bacause we have seen this inexplicable phenomenon of conversion during the time of Messenger saws with Omar, Mouawiya.

With Tatars.

And now with the increase of Islam in the world.

I say that because scholars say this hadith of Abou Hourayra has 2 side. One specific side with conversion of Turkish!

And one other general side with all other people!

For exemple





In fact this hadith Of Abou Hourayra is a permanent Miracle!

Abou Hourayra is The sahaba of all superlatves! It's very difficult for sum up Him! Only a very very very great scholar can do it!


I have seen an another hadith witch symbolize Islam. This hadith has announced the Hellenization of Muslim. Very spectacular!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2016, 01:06:47 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2016, 08:53:43 PM »

Salam,

This hadith is from Abou Hourayra.

We can say that it's just a simple Hadith...

But follow me.

This hadith is reported by Bukhary.

And Bukhary has used this hadith for explain this verse of coran. in the chapter

" The word of Allah " "O you who have believed, do not consume usury, doubled and multiplied"

That show Bukhary and Abou Hourara knew, since more of 1000 years, that in the future in an area the usury will  be generalized

That is also a lesson for those who say "Al Bukhary was a mad man, stupid etc.."

Since more of 1000 years Bukhary knew that one area like our area would exist! When you see all states are tottally submitted by the usury.

Imagine is knowledge for what's happen during the time of sahaba or the time of messenger! Al Bukhary is the better historian never seen in our earth....

See the commentary of Yusuf Al Wabyl  about this prediction it's very interessting! He says, " the fact that Bukhary has used this hadith of Abou Hourayra for explain this vers... That show his deep knowlege of the religion..."

Yes Bukhari has well understood hadith from Abou Hourayra.

"So ask the people of the message if you do not know"
like Bukhari, not like stupid man like Musawi, , Al Qumi ...

When Musawy has seen the knwoledge of Abou Hourayra he was totally overtaken by events the poor.

“The scholars are the inheritors of the Prophets”  But Musawi and Qumy are not scolars
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 09:29:22 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2016, 09:34:33 PM »
Since 2008 and the subprim crises we live, all day every day,  with this hadith of Abou Hourayra reported by Bukhary! All around the world

 Souban Allah! It's not with ""scholar""" as Kulaini that we would have been this outcome!
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 09:37:19 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2016, 12:07:41 AM »
Imami shia say" How Abou Hourayra can reported things while he was not there?". (for example things during battle of Ouhoud)

But when Abou Hourayra reported that an  volcanic eruption will touch El Hijaz. Also he was not there.

The volcanic irruption in hijaz all classic scholars say that happens in 654h but Abou Hourayra dead in 56-59h!

He was able to reported things that happened many centuries after his death but nothing before his conversion.   

The logic of Imami !

PS: Apparently He knews things about battle of Ouhoud throug Tufay who was dawsi as him.

Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2016, 04:12:33 PM »
Soubhan Allah.

Look this hadith reported by Abou Hourayra. It's exactly that we live today!

Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws says:

"(...) then after that will come a time when the disbelieving hypocrite, who joins others with Allah, will dispute with the believer, using the same argument as him"


Sanad sahih acording to Al Hakim and Dahabi


Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws says:

"At the end of time, there will be liars and impostors who will bring ahadeeht (narations) that neither you nor your forefathers even heard. Beware of them and stay away from them, and do not them mislead or confuse you "

(reported by Muslim)
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2016, 05:04:52 PM »
Salam



 Shia claims . "Abou Hourayra was with the messenger saws short time 2 or 3 years"... " he is an half-sahaba"

But all our scholars know, according the hadith of Abou Hourayra about the time, that the time will past more quickly.

In fact we see that if the time past more quickly, even atheist say that is linked with our way of life. modification of our production system, new technologies, the capital labour ratios etc...

In fact our relation with the world of work whitch has changed our relation to the time.

So I have read a great scholar, I have forget his name probalby Ibn Kathir or Ibn Hajar, he says the time in the time of the messenger, tabirine, etc... was very slow.

Acording to him it's the reason why Bukhary had the time for know 600 000 Hadith, and Ahmad 1 billion of Hadith.

In our area it's not possible for have a knowledge as our old scholars

And our scholars say  also that if the time is fast in our time it's also because there is no baraka.

SO imagine. In the time of the messenger saws there were Baraka, and the way of life, the production system, technologies are totaly different of our time.

So we can easily say that 2 years with the messenger saws, the equivalent in our area would be 10 years or more.

But when you are an innovator we can't understand that.

Even the materialist point of view stick closely with this explanation... that destroy onnce and for all their argument with materialist and religious arguments

Our religion is complete soubhan Allah!

PS: An "Half- Sahaba" hahaha
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 05:17:44 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2016, 08:52:21 PM »
The Prophet saws Foretold The End Of
The Persian And Roman Empires

 Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When Khosrau perishes, there will be no (more) Khosrau after him, and when Caesar perishes, there will be no more Caesar after him. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, you will spend the treasures of both of them in Allah's Cause."


Sahih al-Bukhari 3618



Ibn Kathir says


" This truly came to be during the time of the three Caliphs Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman (R.A.). The Muslims conquered the two empires and distributed in charity the wealth of Caesar king of Rome and Khosrau king of Persia. This was a glad tiding to the Muslims, the two empires will never rise again. Thanks to Allah."

In the french translation we have in addition " it's the proof of the lhe legitimacy of the khalifs of Abou Bakr, Umar and Othman because it's during their rules that the wealth of Ceasar and Khosrau was spent by muslims"


see The Miracles of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him by Ibn Kathir
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 08:54:25 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2016, 05:24:25 PM »

Several brothers say me.

" You can't say that the hadith about "talking shoes" is linked with new technologies"

You can see the book of Arifi when he illustrated this hadith with phone number etc... p 209

https://futureislam.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/the-end-of-the-world-major-and-minor-signs-of-the-hour.pdf

I have seen lot of dars by "litteralist" imams and it's an opinion largely shared.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2016, 05:36:41 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2016, 05:30:56 PM »
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established till my followers copy the deeds of the previous nations and follow them very closely, span by span, and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch)." It was said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Do you mean by those (nations) the Persians and the Romans?" The Prophet said, "Who can it be other than they?"

bukhari.

Romans liked very much used "metaphor"' in their religious interpretation.

Saint augustin the roman christian was the fist who used "metaphor" for explain christianism.

And Saint Augustine has reused the methodology of old greek phylosophe ... Because ancient greek said the mythology is ludicrous so we must used metaphor...

It's like many Muslim who say "Hadith is stupid, no logical etc..." "We must used metaphor"

And 2 century after saint Augustin Muslim they followed ancient greek with Mutazilla...

The real messenger of Mutazzila is not Mohamed saws but Platon and Aristote. And many muslim have confuse Islam and phylosophy....

For the following of Persians we have our shia friends...  They have revived Zoroastrianism religion through Shiasm...

Soubhan Allah .

All is exactly like the Hadith of Abou Hourayra! That means if Abou Hourayra had lived during 14 century until today. He would not have be surprised by the case of Oumma.

PS:

Shia has merged Zoroastianism with "Greek Philosophy" ... No link with Islam...
« Last Edit: April 25, 2016, 05:38:08 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2016, 12:48:05 AM »
Salam Aylikoum.

Some shias claim that Abou Hourayra reported good hadith about Ali only during the life of the messenger (saws) for to be on the good side for political reason.

But Said Ibn Mussayb, the pupil and the son in law of Abou Hourayra, reported hadith about Ali's merits.

And Acording to Ibn Saad, Ibn Mussayb was born 2 years before the Othman khalif...


That means  He heard merit of Ali during the end of Othman Khalif at least.

So, someone can provide me proof that Abou Hourayra reported hadith about Ali even during Ommeyades khalifa.

All hadith are here = https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/part-10-nature-of-relationship-between-ahlebaytra-and-some-other-sahabara/

PS: I have not the time to talk about that but I have seen Abou Hourayra has reported the hadith about the "kingdome scathing" after the khalifa rashidun.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2016, 12:53:01 AM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #74 on: May 01, 2016, 09:58:22 PM »
Shia they are obsessed by the issu of hypocrisys among sahaba.

They claims, "Look Houdeyfa el Yamam told there are hypocryte among muslims"" so All sahaba are hypocryt"

So But according to  Muhammad Rasheed Rida

"It was narrated from him that he used to say – concerning some young men of Quraysh who caused corruption in the religious commitment of the Muslims, as it says in the hadith: If I wanted to tell you their names, I would do so. This indicates that he – like Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan – narrated hadiths about fitan (tribulations) and unjust rulers from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), "


Tafseer al-Mannaar (6/390)


In many hadith Abou Hourayra has suggested that concern Banu Ommeya ( see book of fitan in sahih muslim and Bukhari")

And we can see that Abou Hourayra reported LOT OF HADITH about hypocryt Muslim for example this famous hadith about the 3 persons who will fo to the hell in first.

“from Abu Hurayrah, who said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah say, ‘ Verily, the first to be judged on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who had died as a martyr. He will be brought forward. Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. Then He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I fought for Your Cause till I was martyred.’ Allah will say: `You have lied. You fought so that people might call you courageous; and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell. Next a man who had acquired and imparted knowledge and read the Qur’an will be brought forward, Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. Then He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I acquired knowledge and taught it, and read the Qur’an for Your sake.’ Allah will say to him: `You have lied. You acquired knowledge so that people might call you a learned (man), and you read the Qur’an so that they might call you a reciter, and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him, and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell. Next a man whom Allah had made affluent and to whom Allah had given plenty of wealth, will be brought forward, Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I did not neglect any of the ways You liked wealth to be spend liberally for Your sake’. Allah will say to him: `You have lied. You did it so that people might call you generous, and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell.”


I have not find the hadith in entire. I think it's an hadith qudsi

The hadith in entire says " Abou Hourayra fainted 4 times when he has said this hadith  And he was alone with the messenger saws when the messenger saws said it to Abou Hourayra

So I think that Abou Hourayra knew the list of hypocrypt like Houdeyfa El Yamam. The messengers saws said the names of hypocryte to Houdayfa and Abou Hourayra surely.

So when shias says "Abou Hourayra was an hypocryte" it's totaly stupide because it's him who knew   hypocryte.

It's  why Said Ibn Mussayb was against Banu Oummaya.

It's Abou Hourayra who knwes the name of hypocrite . How him can be an hypocrit??? T
he messengers saws give infomation to false muslim???

If Abou Hourayra was an hypocryte, why the messengers gave him this major information?

sorry for my english but all is better explain here https://islamqa.info/en/147659

For sum up, when you study hadith from Abou Hourayra seriously not like shia, you can see many clues witch lead to this advice

Only a false muslim hate Abou Hourayra.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2016, 10:14:28 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2016, 05:18:03 PM »
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« Last Edit: May 03, 2016, 05:29:04 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2016, 05:26:40 PM »
Hadith from Abou Hourayra, the real "Nahj Balagha" (The Peak of Eloquence) ?

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with awe (cast into the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping last night, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me till they were put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) left (this world) and now you people are carrying those treasures from place to place.


Sahih al-Bukhari 6998

According to Ibn Kathir in "miracle of the prophecy"" the eloquence of sunni hadith are the proof that it up to the messenger saws ".

 It's particulary true for hadith from Abou Hourayra. Lot of hadith from Abou Hourayra are spectacular espectiaaly  When you see that in also 1 hadith Abou Hourayra reported the Mogolian invasion  with their conversion to islam, with their physical description in very few words... You can teach many things with this hadith.

Sunni hadith have eloquence but also isnad sahih. Eloquence is not the only proof of authenticity
« Last Edit: May 03, 2016, 05:32:07 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2016, 08:43:54 PM »
We have an impartial way to analyse the eloquence of hadith from Abou Hourayra.

It's the fact that often in his hadith we find the messengers saws who used words so eloquent so sophisticated that sahaba didn't undestood this term.

And they asked to the messengers saws to define his words.

In hadith about the end of time we find many hadith like that.

For exemple the messenger  saws for define the stupid man who will speak he has used a particular word that sahab have not understood at the beginning. then He saws has exlpained.

. It's the same thing when he has explained the fact that anarchy will be very global. His words was very choosen

Or look the hadith About the fact that arabs land was convered by pasture . In 1 sentence he has made the description of the hystory of geologie in arabic peninsula.

Same thing about hadith about Globalisation etc... In three/four words the messengers saws decribe in our hadith incredible things that we live currently!

And I am very  impressive by the understanding of our classics scholars espscially Bukhari and Ibn Hajar!. It as if since 1 000 years they knew , they anticipated our present. SoubAn Allah. ( we have also Nawawi who is very strong in this filed.)

So imagine their Knowledge in fiqh, Aqueeda, history, the real way to analyse conflict beetwenn sahaba etc...

now I undestand why the Coran and our hadith say "Scholar are inheritor of messenger" saws.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2016, 09:13:43 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2016, 04:59:26 PM »
Is there a hadith that speaks of a trade embargo on Iraq, Syria and Egypt?

There is a hadith that speaks of a trade embargo on Iraq, Syria and Egypt. Has that actually happened, or is it what we see happening before our eyes?
Published Date: 2016-01-12

Praise be to Allah

It seems that the hadith referred to in the question is the report narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (2896) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafeez (a measurement of grain), Syria will withhold its mudds and dinars, and Egypt will withhold its irdabb and dinars, and you will return to where you started, you will return to where you started, you will return to where you started.” The flesh and blood of Abu Hurayrah bear witness to that.

Al-Bukhaari (3180) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: How will you be when you are not able to collect any dinars or dirhams? It was said to him: On what basis do you say that will happen, O Abu Hurayrah? He said: By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Abu Hurayrah, (I learned that) from the words of the most truthful one (i.e., the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)). They said: What did he say? He said: “The covenant granted by Allah and His Messenger (to the dhimmis) will be transgressed, so Allah will make the hearts of ahl adh-dhimmah so bold that they will withhold the jizyah they are supposed to pay.”

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There are two views as to what is meant by Iraq and the other regions withholding (money and grains). The first view is that what is meant is that they will become Muslim, so the jizyah will be waived from them, and this is something that already happened.

The second view – which is more well-known – is that what is meant is that the Persians and Romans (Byzantines) will seize control of these lands at the end of time, and they will prevent the Muslims from obtaining these things. A few pages after this, Muslim narrated that Jaabir said: Soon there will not be brought to the people of Iraq any qafeez or dirham. We said: Why is that? He said: Because the non-Arabs will prevent it. And he mentioned how the Romans would do likewise in Syria. This has happened in our own time in Iraq; it is going on right now.

And it was said that it is because they will apostatise at the end of time, so they will withhold what is required from them of zakaah and so on. And it was said that what is meant is that the disbelievers from whom jizyah is required will grow stronger at the end of time, so they will withhold what they used to pay of jizyah, kharaaj and so on.

With regard to the words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), “and you will return to where you started”, this means the same as the other hadith, “Islam began as something strange and will go back to being as it began.” End quote.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The words “They will withhold what is in their hands” mean: they will refuse to pay the jizyah. Al-Humaydi said: Muslim narrated a similar hadith via another isnaad from Suhayl from his father from Abu Hurayrah, which was attributed to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): “Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafeez…” And he quoted the hadith using the past tense, but what is meant is the future, so as to emphasise that it will surely come to pass. Muslim also narrated from Jaabir in a marfoo‘ report: “Soon there will not  be brought to the people of Iraq any camels or dirhams. We said: Why is that? He said: Because the non-Arabs will prevent it.” This is one of the signs of Prophethood and is advice to fulfil the covenant with ahl adh-dhimmah, in return for the jizyah that is taken from them, which benefits the Muslims. It is also a warning against mistreating them, and indicates that if that happens, then ahl adh-dhimmah will break the covenant and the Muslims will not be able to collect anything from them, which will cause hardship to the Muslims.

Ibn Hazm stated that some of the Maalikis quoted the words in the hadith of Abu Hurayrah, “Iraq will withhold its dirhams” as evidence that land seized as booty is not to be divided or sold, and that what is meant by withholding is withholding of the kharaaj. But he refuted that by noting that the hadith contains a warning of a bad fate, and that the Muslims will ultimately be deprived of their rights, and this is what happened. End quote.     

See: Nayl al-Awtaar by ash-Shawkaani (8/118); an-Nihaayah by Ibn al-Atheer (1/262)

From the above we may conclude that the more likely interpretation of the hadith is that the disbelievers, namely the Romans and Persians, will take authority from the Muslims in these lands, after they had been subject to the Muslims’ authority, and they will withhold its resources and kharaaj from the Muslims. This has happened repeatedly throughout history, the most recent case being the colonisation of these lands and the abolishing of the authority of the Ottoman caliphate over them, and the disbelievers’ domination of their people and resources.

As for the present situation, where the disbelievers are controlling Iraq and have taken over its resources, we cannot be certain that this is exactly what is meant in the hadith, and to state that this is definitely what is meant by the hadith is risky. Many people are hasty in jumping to conclusions with regard to such matters, but it soon becomes clear that they are mistaken and were too audacious regarding this issue.

This does not rule out the idea that such a thing could happen repeatedly, and that the present case is one such instance. In fact they have done something that is even worse than that, by preventing the resources of Iraq from reaching the Muslim lands, then besieging Iraq and its people, preventing goods from reaching them, and preventing them from benefitting from their own resources, until many children died, let alone women and men.

And Allah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/128708
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 05:05:13 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2016, 08:10:16 PM »
When I see the hadith of Abou Hourayra and the explanation of Nawawi (about "embargo")

I understand why many people say "Iran trhough Shiam want to recreated the Majous empire" (or persian empire)




For Persians, Irak, Syria and Egypt it's for Them exactly like for Russia, Ukrain is for them.



In our Books Persians are often in the same way that Jew, christians and westerners...

I wonder if Imran Honsein include that in his own analysis?

I don't talk about the hadith of horn of evil in Irak from Salim ibn Aballah ibn Omar.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2016, 08:21:01 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

 

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