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Ebn Hussein

Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« on: October 31, 2014, 03:55:13 AM »
Here an older post of mine from the old school graveyard of the Rafidah (HCY KFC FOR LIFE), I'll copy paste everything and before a biased Shia disagrees without even reading it, than I'd like to remind you what one of the most knowledgable English speaking Shias online said the following about the research (no, I don't need his approval, but it's for you lot, if a quite knowledgable Shia himself is sincere and honest enough to give credit where its due, then so should you and accept the fact that fasting on 'Ashura is a beautiful Prophetic Sunnah and your doomed Ayatullats and Iranian Majoosi propaganda lied for all the decades when they claimed that it is a fabrication by Abu Hurayrah/Umayyads/Unicorns or what not!. May Allah guide all sincere and truth seeking Shias and Sunnis to the truth):



source: http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=16060&#entry126397

Now here some shocking (for many Shias) hadith from Shia hadith books, authenticated Sahih by their classical scholars and the likes of Al-Khoie (contemp. scholar):

1.Fasting on Ashura is the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah, his Sahaba sticked to that, so did his Ahl Al-Bayt, this is firmly established in Sunni books AND in Shia books.

Let me present you some of those SAHIH narrations many Shias probably never heard in their life (and most Shia Marja's don't give much to authentic chain of narrations, so you will barely hear them telling you these facts):

NOTE: These Ahadith talk about the full fast, not a partial, half fast, hence as per Shia Sahih Ahadith, the Messenger of Allah (صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم) did fast on Ashura:


A,

عن أبي الحسن عليه السلام أنه قال: {{صام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم يوم عاشوراء}}
[تهذيب الأحكام (4/29) الاستبصار (2/134)، الوافي (7/13)، وسائل الشيعة  (7/337)، جامع أحاديث الشيعة (9/475)، الحدائق الناضرة (13/370-371)، صيام  عاشوراء (ص 112)].
On behalf of Abu Al-Hassan (as) that he said : “Rasool Allah (saw) fasted on the day of Ashoura.”

Shia sources:

1- Tahdeeb Al-Ahkam 4/29,
2- Alistibsar 2/134,
3- Wasael Al-Shia 7/337,
4- Jaame3 Ahadeeth Al-Shia 9/475,
5- Alhadaeq Alnadhera 13/370-371,
6- Seyam Ashoura 112


B.

عن جعفر عن أبيه عليهما السلام أنه قال: [[صيام يوم عاشوراء كفارة سنة]]
[ تهذيب الأحكام (4/300)، الاستبصار (2/134)، جامع أحاديث الشيعة (9/475)،  الحدائق الناضرة (13/371)، صيام عاشوراء (ص 112)، الوافي (7/13)، وسائل  الشيعة (7/337)].

Narrated from Jaffar from his father (as), that he said: “Fasting of Ashoura is forgiveness of one year sin.”

Shia sources:

1- Tahdeeb Al-Ahkam 4/300, Alistibsar 2/134,
2- Jaame3 Ahadeeth Al-Shia 9/475,
3- Alhadaeq Alnadhera 13/371,
4- Jamal luddin mentioned it in ‘Fasting of Ashoora page 112,
5- Al-Kashani 7/13
6- Hur in Wasael Al-Shia 7/337


C.

وعن الصادق رحمه الله قال: [[من أمكنه صوم المحرم فإنه يعصم صاحبه من كل سيئة]]
[وسائل الشيعة (7/347)، الحدائق الناضرة (13/377)، جامع أحاديث الشيعة (9/474)].

And on behalf of Al-Sadiq that he said: “Whoever is able to fast (month of) Muharram, then his fasting shall protect him from every sin.”

Shia sources:

1- Wasael Al-shia 7/347,
2- Alhadaeeq Alnadhera 13/377,
3- Jaame3 Ahadeeth Al-shia 9/474.


D.

عن علي عليه السلام قال: {{صوموا يوم عاشوراء التاسع والعاشر احتياطاً،  فإنه كفارة السنة التي قبله، وإن لم يعلم به أحدكم حتى يأكل فليتم صومه}}
[مستدرك الوسائل (1/594)، جامع أحاديث الشيعة (9/475)].

And Ali (as) said: “Fast on the day of Ashoora 9th and 10th for substitution, for it is an expiation for the the past year, and if someone of you eats (by mistake) should continue his fasting.”

Shia sources:

1- Al-Haj Hussein Al-Nuri Tabarsi in Mustadrak Al-Wasael 1/594,
2- Haj Brujardi in Jaame3 Ahadeeths Al-Shia 9/475.

Due to strong chains the Shia scholars had to authenticate narrations  that encourage fasting and weaken those which forbid fasting due to the  weakness in their chains.

وتأمل أن روايات صوم عاشوراء جاءت من طرق الشيعة بأسانيد معتبرة، في حين  جاءت الروايات الناهية عن صومه بأسانيد ضعيفة، وقد اعترف بهذا الشيخ الحاج  السيد محمد رضا الحسيني الحائري في كتابه: نجاة الأمة في إقامة العزاء على  الحسين والأئمة. [صفحة (145، 146، 148) طبع قم إيران (1413هـ)]

Ayatullah Abul-Qasim Al-Khoie (former head of the Hawzah in Najaf and one of the greatest Shia Hadith scholars, teacher of Ayatullah Sistani) in his book al-Mustanad fi Sharh il-`Urwat il-Wuthqa, volume 12. says:

وأمّا الروايات المتضمّنة للأمر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة ، مثل: صحيحة القدّاح : «صيام يوم عاشوراء كفّارة سنة»
   وموثّقة مسعدة بن صدقة : «صوموا العاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فإنّه يكفّر ذنوب سنة»

'As for the encompassing narrations commanding and recommending the fast of this day, they are many, like the authentic narration of al-Qadaah [from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام), from his father Abu Ja`far (عليه السلام), who said: "The fasting of the day of Ashura is atonement for a year."

And the dependable (Muwaththaq) narration of Mas`ada b. Sadaqa from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام), from Abu Ja`far (عليه السلام), who said that Imam `Ali (عليه السلام) said: "Fast on Ashura, the ninth and the tenth, for verily it atones for the sins of a year."

Al-Khoie, after going over the evidence in depth, concludes:


واما الروايات المتضمنة للامر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة،

'As for the affirmative narrations in regards to this action (of fasting on Ashura) and and the recommendation to fast on that day (of Ashura), there are MANY ..."

فصحّ ما ادّعيناه من أنّ الروايات الناهية كلّها ضعيفة السند ، فتكون الآمرة سليمة عن المعارض ، فلم تثبت كراهة صوم يوم عاشوراء فضلا عن الحرمة التي اختارها في الحدائق ، بل هي جائزة ندباً ولا سيّما حزناً حسبما عرفت بما لا مزيد عليه .

"So it is correct what we have claimed, that the prohibitive narrations are all da`if in sanad.  So, the authoritative is free of opposition, and the karahat (dislike) of the fast of Ashura is not established, let alone its prohibition which was the view hold in al-Hada’iq (a work of fiqh by Shaykh Yusuf al-Bahrani, who believed that this fast was haram, look how biased and hateful their top scholars were!).  Rather, it is permissible, recommended especially (if done) mournfully according to what you have recognized by what there is no exceeding upon it. "

Source:

http://al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=3258
http://al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=3259

NOTE:

Sunnis do NOT CELEBRATE on Ashura, celebration is by drinking, eating etc. as it is done and Sunnah on all 'Id days days where fasting is actually FORBIDDEN! So chosing fasting as a way of celebration is the most stupid thing anyone can ever do, especially the Ummayyads and it is even more stupid to accuse the Sunnis of that (yes, no doubt some Nawasib did it but ironically the likes of Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn Kathir opposed them in that, as did all Sunni scholars!).

As you can see, Al-Khoie (based on MANY Shia Sahih Ahadith as he said) was of the opinion that fasting the day of 'Ashura has its foundation in the SUNNAH of the Prophet and Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt i.e. it is NOT a Jewish or Umayyad innovation that Shia propagandists accuse the Sunnis of following.

As for fasting in a mournfully way as Khoie says, then this is from his own pocket he obviously tries to reconcile between fasting and the innovated self-harming and wailing rituals of the Rafidah, in reality there is no such a think as fasting while mourning, the Sunnah is to fast on that day to thank Allah, full stop, the Sharia was complete before the martyrdom of Omar, Othman and Ali, let alone Al-Hussein (who died roughly 60 years after Islam was completed).

Now you might think that this Ayatullah Khoie fellow is of the sincere kind, well, obviously he is not this is why millions of his followers and the followers of his student Sistani do any barbaric and savage act on 'Ashura EXCEPT fasting and this is why:

The dishonesty of Al-Khoie when it comes to the IMPLEMENTATION of the SUNNAH of fasting on Ashura as the Messenger AND the Imams of the Ahl Al-Bayt did (whom the Rafidah claim to follow!):

Although he agrees on authenticity of those narration yet he forbids his followers to act actually upon them. You might wonder how did he reached that conclusion? Is it because most Marjas (Shia Ayatullahs) don't care about AUTHENTICITY of narrations, when it comes to opposing the Sunnis they do everything to, well, OPPOSE the Sunnis. Look what he says:

Source is the following official Khoie page again:

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=3258

(translation by a Shia from a English Shia page)

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2558 Issue 2, under the heading ‘It is desirable for one who is fasting non obligatory fast to break his fast if his brother invites him to food, but it is said its dislike at that time (to continue fasting).

And as for dislike - means little reward :- In certain places also: Of which: fasting on Ashoura and fasting on Arafa for those who fear it will weaken him from making Dua which is better than fasting…

In Hadaeq he was of the opinion upon its prohibition and that its legislation is prohibited like the day of Eid, (Hadaeeq 13: 371-377), because of narrations which we will mention, he mentioned that opposite to this was carried upon Taqiyya so that it may be in agreement with religion of common people (ahlul sunnah) from Bani Umayyah and others, wherein they used to seek blessings by fasting on this day in thankfulness to befall on Allah’s people (ahlul bait).

And it is mentioned in number of text the prohibition from fasting this day, and even if they are many, there main source is from three narrations:

First: What al-Kulaini narrated from sheikh al-Hussein – like what is in Wasael – or Al-Hasan – like in al-Kafi – bin Ali Al-Hashimi, and for this person there are four narrations he narrated in al-Wasael. But we consider all narrations as one, because in all chains there is one person and he is Al-Hashimi, and since he is not strengthened and no one mentioned with praise then by consensus condemned to be weak, also adding to this the weakness of the first Ibn Sinan…

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Second: Narration of Zurara* from Abi Jaffar and Abu Abdullah (as) who said: “Do not fast on the day of Ashura and on Arafa in Makka and in Medina and in your homeland and in Egypt.

And this also has weak chain due to Shuaib and Yaseen al-Dhurair.

Fasting on Arafa is definitely not prohibited, and Imam (as) fasted this day as what was reported in some narrations. Yes, it is disliked if it weakens one from making supplication, so probably fasting the day of Ashura is also disliked if it weakens one from carrying out Ashoura Rituals.

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Third: Narration of Al-Hussein bin Abi Ghandar from Abu Abdullah (as). This is also has very weak chain because of many unknown narrators and this is narration is weak by consensus.

Yes there is one narration with sahih chain, and it is authentic, Zurara* and Muhammed bin Muslim both of them: That they asked Abu Jaffar Al-Baqir (as) about fasting on the day of Ashura, He said: It’s fasting was before Ramadan, but when the month of Ramadan was revealed it was abandoned.

But as you see – it does not imply its prohibition, but at most it became abandoned and abrogated after month of Ramadan was revealed, perhaps it was compulsory before, then it was replaced by month of Ramadan as nature of replacement requires, it does not indicate negation of its desirability from a direction besides its permissible.

Whatever the case, the narrations that prohibit are not authentic by its chain as a whole, rather they all are weak, and we do not have any authentic narration upon which we can relay to show opponents that it was carried upon taqiyya as author of Al-Hadaeeq tried to produce.

Whereas the narrations that carry commandment and desirability to fast on this day then they are many, like: Sahih al-Qaddah: “Fasting on Ashoora expiation for one year sins”. (Wasael al-Shia 10/457, Abwab al-Saoum al-Mandoob 3/20)

And Muwathaqat Mus’ad bin Saqada: “Fast on Ashoora 9th and 10th for verily it is expiation for one year sins”. (Wasael al-Shia 10/457, Abwab al-Saoum al-Mandoob 3/20), and other similar ones.
The most strongest saying is desirability to fast on this day intrinsically as it is mentioned in Jawaher.

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Fourth: And as Al-Sheikh narrated in al-Misbah from Abdullah bin Sinan, said: I entered upon Abu Abdullah (as) on the day of Ashoura and tears coming out from his eyes like falling pearls, I said: “For what you are weeping?” He said: “Are you in negligence?! Didn’t you know that Hussain (as) hurt on this day?” I said: “What is your opinion on fasting?” He said: “Fast without making ‘Niyya’ and break the fast without rejoicing, and do not make it complete fast but break your fast an hour after Asar with water…( Wasael al-Shia 10/458, Abwab al-Saoum al-Mandoob 7/20).

And as such the statement that it should be without ‘Niyya’, without completing the fast and requirement to break it after Asar, is clear proof for prohibition from fasting legal fast but it is formally holding oneself most of the day, imitating what happened to Al-Hussain and his pious family.

This is were Allah tested Al-Khoie and his likes and they miserabely failed! This man is supposed to be a Marja' and a top scholar! He knows the truth, yet tries to oppose the authentic Sunnah of fasting the whole day of 'Ashura with the following lame excuse:

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“…so probably fasting the day of Ashura is also disliked if it weakens one from carrying out Ashoura Rituals.”
Ask yourselves O truth-seekers: How can an ESTABLISHED Sunnah be abandoned for sake of a tragedy that occured AFTER the Deen was completed? Or to be precise, with the innovations and heresies the Rawafidh do in Muharram?!

As for him reaching to conclusion that it is not a normal fast by quoting a single narration, I say how can a single narration that contradicts many authentic narrations (according his own testimony) be sufficient on prohibiting a (full day) fast? Also fasting half of the day was never known in Islam, never practised by the Messenger (saw) or Ali, Hassan and Hussein (may Allah be pleased with them all). The half day fast narration is narrated by ONE scholar only and it is Al-Hilli in his "Wesa'el Al-Shia" and that narration itself is problematic, not just chain wise, but also the text since because that'll mean the Imams can change the Prophet's Sunnah (who acc. to their own narrations never did such a thing as fasting half of the day and breaking it because of Al-Hussein's martyrdom!), we seek refuge in Allah from that believe that is unfortunately being held by many Shia scholars.

Now look the even more injustice and Anti-Ahl Al-Bayt stance ruling of his student:

[b']It is Makrooh (DISLIKED) to fast on 'Ashura[/b] (10th of Muharram). It is also Makrooh to fast on the day about which one is not sure whether it is the day of 'Arafa or Eid-ul-Azha.'

source: http://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2282/

This is Sistani who graduated under Al-Khoie saying Makrooh (disliked) without any reference to any narration as if islam is his father's property he can make anything halal, haram, makrooh etc.!

If these are their scholars, then what can you expect from their followers and laymen propagandists who all spew the same lie ('Ashura being a Umayyad bid'ah!)?!? Well, the following:

From the http://www.almujtaba.com/articles/shiasunni/000031.html  website:

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One feels constrained to mention here that this and other such traditions were forged by camp-followers of the Umayyads, after the martyrdom of Imam Husayn, as a part of their campaign to turn the 10th of Muharram into a day of rejoicing. These traditions are of the same genre as those which say that it was on the 10th of Muharram that Noah's ark rested on Mount Arafat, the fire became cool and safe for Abraham, and Jesus ascended to the heaven. In the same category came the traditions exhorting the Muslims to treat 'Ashura as a festival of joy, and to store one's food-grain on this very day as it would increase one's sustenance and bring the blessings of Allah to the household.

Now if you've carefully read the research so far you will know that THEY i.e. the Rafidah are actually the fabricators of lies who live in a state of denial not knowing their own books (because they are obsessed with our books trying to prove their own man made religion by cherry picking from our narrations!). Ironically it were the Rafidah scholars who happy narrated narrations that the 10th of Muharram is the day when Noah's ark rested on Mount Arafat etc. (and many Akhbari Rafidites throughout history blindly believed in it! Yet they claim that the Umayyads invented these narrations, absolutely pathetic):

THE Shaykh of their cult known by the Rafidah as – Shaykh Abu Jaffar Muhammad Bin Al-Hassan Al-Tusi narrates on behalf of Abu Jafar (Imam Al-Baqir) who supposed to have said:

"The Ark settled on Mount Joodi on Ashoora so Nuh (as) ordered those who were with him among mankind and Jinn to fast that day. Abu Jaffar said: "Do you know which day that was?" That was the day on which Allah accepted repentance of Adam (as) and Hawa, and this is the day when the sea got split for Bani Isreal and Fir'aun and those with him were dawned, this is the day when Musa (as) got victory over Fir'aun, and this is the day Ibrahim (as) born, and this is the day on which Allah accepted the repentance of people of Yunus, and this is the day Isa Ibn Maryam (as) born.

Source: Tahdheeb Al-Ahkam by Tusi 4/300. ANYTHING but Umayyad!

The ultimate irony though is the following: It is the SUNNIS who actually weakened this narration, among them the so called Umayyad Shaykh Al-Islam Abu Al-'Abbas (yes, that was his kunya, ya Rafidah) Ahmad Ibn Taymiyyah Al-Harrani:

"No hadeeth of this nature was known during the best centuries ......They also narrated reports concerning the supposed virtues of praying on the day of Aashoorah and other reports saying that on the day of 'Aashooraa' Adam (alaihi as-salaam) repented, the Ark settled on Mount Joodi, Yoosuf (alaihi as-salaam) returned to Ya'qoob (alaihi as-salaam), Ibraaheem (alaihi as-salaam) was saved from the fire, the ram was provided for sacrifice instead of Ismaa'eel (alaihi as-salaam), and so on."

In fact Ibn Taymiyyah (who cursed the kilers of Al-Hussein) and his student (Ibn Kathir) rebuked and refuted the Nawasib who actually DID celebrate the death of Al-Hussein (certainly NOT by fasting), they rebuked him just as they rebuked the other side of the coini.e. the Rawafidh and their ugly Bid'ah of wailing, lamenting and self-harming and other Hindu-Voodoo pagan rituals that were never performed annually by the Prophet for ANYONE.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2014, 04:52:23 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 04:34:14 AM »
2. All the Ahadith about the Ashura fast being makruh or haram are weak ...


... and therefore scholars such as Ayatullah Al-Khoie considered it mustahab to fast on the day of Ashura (although in a wishy-washy way and barely known amongst his own followers who if confronted with this fast will accuse us of being Umayyads!). Also major classical scholars like Al-Tusi (fasting on Ashura atoned for the sins of a year according to him!) and Al-Saduq (see his Kitab al-Muqni, although he believed the fast was later abrogated and replaced by Ramadhan, yet he obviously never stated that it was an "Umayyad Bi'da, taken from the Jews" and other emotional gossip we hear from many Shias) hold the same (or similar) views.

Yes, there are narrations that condemn fasting on the day of Ashura (in Furu' Al-Kafi) but their chains (of narration) are weak (Al-Majlisi who checked the authenticity of Al-Kafi's narrations graded them as MAJHOOL/UNKNOWN in his Mir'at Al-Uqul), Al-Khoie himself authenticated only a SINGLE prohibitive narration on fasting on the day of Ashura, the only SAHIH narration that APPARENTLY prohibits the fasting on the day of Ashura is the following according to Al-Khoie:

ـ محمد بن علي بن الحسين بإسناده عن زرارة بن أعين ومحمد بن مسلم جميعا ، أنهما سألا أبا جعفر الباقر ( عليه السلام ) عن صوم يوم عاشوراء ؟ فقال : كان صومه قبل شهر رمضان ، فلما نزل شهر رمضان ترك

Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn (Shaykh Saduq) with his isnad from Zurara b. A`yan and Muhammad b. Muslim, both of them, that they asked Abu Ja`far al-Baqir (as) about the fast of the day of `Ashura.  So he said:  Its fast was before the month of Ramadan, so when the month of Ramadan descended, it was abandoned.  (sahih

Al-Khoie says that this is not actually prohibitive in nature, but is describing that the fast of Ashura was in place prior to the fasting of the month of Ramadan [it has a divine and not Umayyad foundation!], after which it was not an obligation to fast on Ashura, i.e. that this had become mansukh (abrogated), which is absolutely correct for a single ambiguous narration can't just throw a NUMBER of SAHIH narrations over board that state that the IMAMS of the Ahl Al-Bayt AFTER the Prophet's demise used to fast on the day of 'Ashura. As for another, yet again lame exuse of some Shias who claim that the pro-Ashura-fast Ahadith in Shia books are the lies of the "Umayyads" that made their way into Shia books (i.e. fabricated narrations) this also contradicts  their own Sahih narrations, they are shooting in their own feet when they desperately try to oppose the Sunnis (who fast i.e. worship Allah) in order to champion their self-flagellation rituals, this is because the pro-Ashrua Shia SAHIH narrations are in harmony with the Sunni belief of fasting on Ashura and the Anti-fasting-on-Ashura narration is weak and stands against a NUMBER of Sahih Shia narrations in support of fasting on the day of 'Ashura.

Imam Mohammed Baqir and Imam Abu Abdillah (Al-Sadiq) both said: Don’t fast on the day of Arafa and Ashura, neither in Mecca and Medina, nor in your country and in any other city. [Furu Al-Kafi, tradition 3, vol. 3, pp. 321.]

Grading: This sanad is weak by Nuh b. Shu`ayb and Yasin ad-Darir.  Also, fasting on the day of `Arafa is not haram (rather it is considered makrooh if one would be weakened from doing du`a), and it is narrated in some riwayat that the Imam (as) fasted on that day.

It is not far-fetched to assumre that the hateful and biased Rawafidh have been actually forging traditions, the sort that are more polemically Shi`a and anti-Sunni, whether with regards to practices or personalities. Ashura and all the heresies surounding it are of course quite essential to Rawafidh, and is very much ingrained in the Rafidi identity as opposed to the Sunni that did not CANCEL an established Sunnah (fasting of Ashura) due to what happened over thirty years after the Deen was completed, now matter how tragical the tragedy was (i.e. Karbala'). Imagine Sunnis not praying the Sunnah of Fajr or something similar because Omar Al-Farooq was stabbed by a Kafir Shia (saint), the Persian Majoosi Abu Lu'lu'ah during the Fajr prayer, while Omar was leading the Sahaba and Ahlul-Bayt!

Finally the Sunnah of the Prophet (صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم) precedes the great martyrdom of Al-Hussein (رضي الله عنهم), and the Deen was completed with the Messenger and neither the martyrdom of Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali nor Al-Hussein are ESSENTIAL parts of Islam, let alone that they can abonden an established Sunnah, so what are we going to do on Ashura, fasting or abondening it based on our EXTREME love and fabricated narrations?!

So basically there are Shia Hadith that SUPPORT the fasting on Ashura and others that condemn it (acc. to Al-Khoie the issue is clear, since those narrations that condem it are WEAK), but let's say for the sake of argument that there are some authentic Shia narrations that condemn the fast of Ashura, should this be a sign of hope for those biased Shias who desperately wan't to oppose the Ahl Al-Sunnah? Nope it is not, for the classical Shia scholars sorted this problem for us (hopefully more Shias start following them at least in these few things their classical scholars got right, well, let's say almost right ...):

Al-Tusi mentions the differing narrations on this, and instread of rejecting any of them he tries to reconcile them, he was known for this method. He said :

فالوجه في الجمع بين هذه الاخبار ما كان يقول شيخنا رحمه الله وهو أن من صام يوم عاشوراء على طريق الحزن بمصاب آل محمد (عل) والجزع لما حل بعترته
فقد أصاب، ومن صامه على ما يعتقد فيه مخالفونا من الفضل في صومه والتبرك به والاعتقاد لبركته وسعادته فقد أثم وأخطأ.

"So the meaning of combining these reports (i.e. the ones that recommend fasting on it and the ones that speak against it) is what our Shaykh would say, and it is that whoever fasts on the day of Ashura by way of mourning for the affliction of the Aal/family of Muhammad (pbuh) and grief at what happened to his progeny, then he is correct.  And whoever fasts it (based) upon what our opponents believe regarding it regarding the virtue of fasting on it and celebration in it, and belief in its blessing and felicity, then he has sinned and erred."

Keeping aside that Al-Tusi incorrectly states that Sunnis take the Ashura fasting as a celebration (although it is a thanks-giving, for neither in the Islamic culture nor in any other known culture people celebrate by "fasting", celebration is done by eating, drinking, dressing up etc. like on Islamic 'Eids), and also keeping aside that adding the mourning for Al-Hussein (or any other Sahabi/Ahl Al-Bayt) is not an essential part of Islam (the Prophet cried over Al-Hussein, he cried over Hamzah AND many other Sahaba, yet he, his Sahaba and the Ahl Al-Bayt NEVER took any death of anyone as an anniversary to intentionally MOURN, lament and beat themselves silly, let alone what the Shias introduced (forbidden deeds during Al-'Azaa'/mourning ceremonies which exceed everything I mentioned), he still argues that the fast of Ashura IS part of Al-Islam AND the Sunnah of the Messenger (he only repeats what Al-Khoie hundreds of years copied from him i.e. the nonsense of mourning+fasting), so again, the claim that this fast was copied by the Umayyads from the Jews (!) is nothing but a lie and a REAL fabrication by vast majority of the Twelver scholars and laymen who should start feeling a bit ashamed by now!
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 04:47:02 AM »
To put the final nail into the coffin:

(by brother Hani):

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Salam `Aleykum,

Enjoy more of Shiasm,

Famous Shia scholar al-Muhaqqiq al-Sha`rani says in his commentary on the book "al-Wafi" by al-Faydh al-Kashani, 22/505:

وقد يتفق لبعض الرواة الغالين في عداوة المخالفين والمبالغين في خلاف المنحرفين عن أهل البيت عليهم السلام أن يجاوزوا الحد ويلزموا أمورا من غير عمد ليخالفوا أهل الخلاف تدعوهم إلى ذلك شدة علاقتهم بالتشيع كما نرى جماعة في الأعصار المتأخرة ينكرون استحباب صوم عاشوراء مع الاتفاق على استحبابه ليخالفوا المخالفين ،
ويلتزمون بتحريف القرآن ليطعنوا به على أعداء أهل البيت عليهم السلام ، مع أن مطاعنهم في الكثرة بحيث لا يحتاج معها إلى إثبات التحريف وهدم أساس الدين

[It happens that some of the narrators who are extreme in their hatred for the Mukhalifeen(Sunnies), those who exaggerate the differences and deviate from the school of Ahlul-Bayt (as), that they may go over board in certain beliefs un-intentionally only so they may oppose the Mukhalifeen. They do this because of their strong relation to Tashayyu`, as we see a group in the late times who deny that fasting `Ashura is liked(Mustahabb) by agreement, just so they can oppose the Mukhalifeen, and they stick to the belief that the Qur'an is corrupted so they can use this to criticize the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt (as), although there are many criticisms against them and there is no need to prove Tahreef(corruption) and demolish the foundations of the religion.


Conclusion:

Without a SHRED of doubt, the (injust and biased and polemic) claim that the fasting of Ashura is merely a Jewish tradition and that the Sahaba (!) and later on the Umayyads introduced it into Islam to belittle the tragedy of Karbala' and to celebrate (?) that day by fasting (fasting = celebrating according to Rafidite logic!) is a BLATANT lie and the REAL fabrication by the masters of fabrications, the Rafidah. Nonetheless, we Muslims will still be confronted with the Rafidi propaganda machine in the month of Muharram, advocating self-flagellation over fasting (true worship), you will see their propaganda on their TV channels, websites (answering-ansar, al-islam org), preachers (the arch liar Yassir Al-Habib, Ammar Nakhshawani etc.), Ayatullahs etc. despite the fact that their VERY OWN authentic narrations testify that fasting on 'Ashura is a Prophetic Sunnah that almost every single Rafidi on the world has abondened for self-harming rituals!

Whatever your stance is as a Shia, whether you want to follow that beautiful Sunnah (that preceded the tragedy of Karbala') or you want to skip it and engage in self-flagellation, whatever the stance, know that your own books and some pretty hidden (to many Shia laymen) facts will only further expose the NIFAQ of Shiism to the avarage Sunnis, once he finds out the facts we have extracted from your books etc. As for the claim, rather accusation that Sunnis CELEBRATE on that day, well, we have responded to that more than once in this post, but the sheer stupidity of this accusation actually reminds us of an interesting and ironical fact, namely that the Shias themselves FAST on the day Ali Ibn Abi Talib was martyred i.e. the 21st of Ramadhan, yet no sane (and just person) would accuse them of "celebrating the death of Ali"!

In fact even IF (some of) the Bani Umayyah (Ummayyads) used to literally celebrate the day Ashura in commemoration of the crimes of Yazid's army by inventing false Ahadith etc., how on earth would this (after the completion of Al-Islam i.e. the Shari'ah DURING the lifetime of the Prophet صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم) turn VERY mustahaba act (of fasting) into a makrooh or haram practice?!?! The argument of Taqiyyah is of course void as well and would make every Shia look even more desperate because (in the quoted Sahih narrations) Al-Sadiq quoted his father Al-Baqir, i.e. he CONFIRMED an established divine act (of fasting), if it would have been Taqiyyah he would have never quote his father. Also, why would the Chief of the Believers Ali Ibn Abi Talib, years prior to his son's martyrdom and the rule of the Umayyads who are being accused of having invented this fast, narrate narrations in SUPPORT of the fast of 'Ashura in Shia books?
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 04:54:59 AM »
Some more useful stuff:

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hani

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 02:25:48 PM »
nice poster, it'd be funny if you can stick near one of their Husayniyat hehe
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2014, 05:35:17 PM »
Good work!
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میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
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sword_of_sunnah

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 12:13:24 AM »

Afzalsheikh

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2018, 02:00:58 PM »
Fasting the day of Ashura or Fasting 9th and 10th Muharram has great value in Islam. We fast because it is the Sunnah of our Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him). https://www.dawateislami.net/medialibrary/50070

Cherub786

Re: Fasting in 'Ashura is a Sunnah not a Umayyad Bid'ah
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2018, 08:44:13 AM »
As-salaamu alaikum
I recently wrote a column regarding Ashura: http://islamsalvationfromhell.blogspot.com/2018/09/reality-of-ashurah-10th-of-muharram.html

In it I argue that Ashura does correspond to Yom Kippur of Judaism, but the narrator of the Hadith made a mistake in identifying the reason for this fast as being a celebration for the deliverance of Bani Israel from Pharaoh. Yom Kippur, on the 10th of Tishrei, has nothing to do with the deliverance from Pharoah, that is a totally different holiday (Peshach/Passover).
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