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Title: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
In the name of Allah,

Salamualykum brothers and sisters.

Assume i wanted to become a Sunni Muslim, how would i go about sifting through so many groups ardently opposed to one another?

Let me explain.

In Sunni Islam, people are not divided only the the four Madhabs, but by a far greater division: schools of Aqeedah. The major schools of Aqeedah in Sunni Islam are the Asharis , Maturidis, and Athari Salafis.

The Asharis and Maturidis are seen as the most in number, and are a major force in Pakistan, India, North Africa, most of the Middle East, and such regions. The Salafi Atharis are dominant in Saudi Arabia, certain African countries, London, and have greater Dawah efforts on the west.

Asharis and Maturidis regard Salafis as deviants, and not from the Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah, given they differ with them greatly on Tawheed and the attributes of Allah.

Salafis regard Asharis and Maturidis are deviants, and not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

Then you get onto other groups, such as the Deobandis, Barelvis, who are often adopters of one of the four Madhabs, but differ greatly on ritualistic practices, such that many Deobandis regard Barelvis to be innovators and those who commit shirk.

You then have major divisions between Hanafis, who are often Maturidis, and Salafis, on the topic of even making Taqleed of a scholar or following a scholar entirely.

Even among Salafis, there are major divisions. You have one group accusing the other of being Madhkhali, Ikhwani, Khawarij etc

Given the deep differences in Aqeedah, in sub-groups, and in following a Madhab, in this sea of confusion, how does anyone navigate around it?
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:15:43 PM
Salafi Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan adopts the consensus view among Salafi scholars in that Asharis and Maturidis are Ahlul-Biddah, innovators in Aqeedah and not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah:



Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:17:14 PM
Hanafi-Maturidi Shaykh denounces Salafis, and Hanafi-Fiqh channels have many videos condemning Salafi Aqeedah on Tawheed and other areas:

Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
Fatwah by Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA declaring Asharis and Maturidis as Ahlul-Biddah: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/205836/what-are-the-differences-between-the-maturidi-school-of-thought-and-ahl-as-sunnah

Abu Khadeejah declaring Asharis and Maturidis as Ahlul Biddah: https://www.abukhadeejah.com/the-creed-of-ahlus-sunnah-concerning-the-attributes-of-allah-in-refutation-of-the-ashari-maturidi-and-deobandi-denial-and-distortion-printable-newsletter/

Al-Albani denounces attempts at unity between Salafis, and Asharis and Maturidis

Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Adil on December 20, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
And this people is what it looks like when someone is trying to divide and conquer. He used to do the exact same thing on student forums to create rifts between sunni students.

Don't worry though my shia friend, from what I've heard the people behind this website are from various different sunni backgrounds and whilst we may not agree with each other on everything, we all disagree with twelver shiaism far more than with each other. And our views are definitely spreading in the community alhamdulillah and our mindsets will too insha'Allah. 
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:37:03 PM
Salafi's today are in a state of disarray. A Sunni-Hanafi brother, who is from the Ashari/Maturidi Aqeedah points this out:



Divisions between Salafis in London - groups accusing each other of being Madhkhali, Ikhwani, Ahlul Biddah:

Bro Hajii vs Shamsi:



Shamsi vs Muhammed Hijab/Ali Dawah:



Dawah Man verses Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad




Total and utter disarray brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:39:04 PM
..

I have been clear in that my Aqeedah is much closer to the Aqeedah of orthodox Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, who are the Asharis and Maturidis, and are less volatile in their approach and rhetoric. I respect Salafis as Muslims, but differ greater with them.

Having said that, a brother on a thread today claimed that if he wanted to become Shia, which Shia would he want to be?

In response, i have made a very fair argument. If i wanted to become Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, can you clearly tell me which Aqeedah and which group to join?

If one group is calling the other group Ahlul Biddah, is that their fault or mine?

It's a serious question.

Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 20, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
And this people is what it looks like when someone is trying to divide and conquer. He used to do the exact same thing on student forums to create rifts between sunni students.

Don't worry though my shia friend, from what I've heard the people behind this website are from various different sunni backgrounds and whilst we may not agree with each other on everything, we all disagree with twelver shiaism far more than with each other. And our views are definitely spreading in the community alhamdulillah and our mindsets will too insha'Allah.

The fact is in reality you hate each others guts. I'm not surprised you hate us. Hate is your thing.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: MuslimK on December 20, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
Walaikum Salam,

This is coming from a Twelver Shia with so many groups, sects and subsects within Shiism?

Sunnis may have difference of opinions about certain issues, some advanced abstract topics may sound major, but they all agree on the sources of the Sunnah and it how it reached them, the truthfulness of Sahaba etc but this is not the case with Shiism which has multiple sects and each with their own sources attributed to Ahlulbayt.

Anyways, if you really want to become a Sunni then it is easy, just follow the Fiqh of your local community, and you can adopt the Athari or Ashari schools of Aqeedah whichever you are confident about. They are both better than being an Imami Shia.


I have been clear in that my Aqeedah is much closer to the Aqeedah of orthodox Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, who are the Asharis and Maturidis, and are less volatile in their approach and rhetoric. I respect Salafis as Muslims, but differ greater with them.


Great! then you can become Ashari Sunni. No problems!
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on December 20, 2019, 10:46:58 PM
Walaikum Salam,

This is coming from a Twelver Shia with so many groups, sects and subsects within Shiism?

Sunnis may have difference of opinions about certain issues, some advanced abstract topics may sound major, but they all agree on the sources of the Sunnah and it how it reached them, the truthfulness of Sahaba etc but this is not the case with Shiism which has multiple sects and each with their own sources attributed to Ahlulbayt.

Anyways, if you really want to become a Sunni then it is easy, just follow the Fiqh of your local community, and you can adopt the Athari or Ashari schools of Aqeedah whichever you are confident about. They are both better than being an Imami Shia.


Great! then you can become Ashari. No problems!

Brother, is it really as simple as that?

If i want to become part of the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, if i have decided that is the way forward, and i then go to a Mosque of Salafi-Athari brothers, do you know what they will tell me?

They will claim that Salafi-Athari's are Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, and that Asharis and Maturidis are not Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, but are Ahlul-Biddah. That is hardly the same as saying you can just pick and choose and all are acceptable.

If i go to an Ashari/Maturidi mosque, they will tell me that Salafis are not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

If i go to a Deobandi mosque, they will likely be Hanafi-Maturidis, and tell me that Salafis are deviant. If i go to the Salafi mosque, they will tell me the same about Deobandis.

Even among Asharis and Maturidis, there are big divisions. Deobandis will tell me that Barelvis commit shirk, even though both groups are on Ashari Aqeedah and follow Hanafi/Shafii' Fiqh due to rituals like 'Ya Muhammed' and Mawlid.

Even one Salafi group will tell me the other group are Madkhlalis. Another will claim the other are Ikhwanis. Another will claim the other are not Ahlus-Sunnah. Look at the bitter arguments between Shamsi, Muhammed Hijab, Bro Hajii, Yasir Qadhi, Haytham al-Haddad etc

There are some pretty severe differences in Aqeedah, major ones, such that one group claims the other are Ahlul-Biddah and not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

What group do you follow brother? What is your Aqeedah and group?
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: MuslimK on December 20, 2019, 10:57:20 PM
You are just repeating yourself. If you are closer to Ashari Orthodox Ahlu Sunnah like you said then become one. We will welcome you and hug you. Don't worry what Salafi brothers will say. And if you change your mind and find the Athari to be strong then become one, we will welcome it and don't worry what the Ashari brothers will say. You will be within the Ahl-Sunnah, insha'Allah.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Adil on December 20, 2019, 11:04:09 PM
The fact is in reality you hate each others guts. I'm not surprised you hate us. Hate is your thing.

Na whilst I may not agree with everything, I have now a decent amount of respect for barevlis, deobandis, salafis etc... I don't hate most shias either, I have a lot of pity for these guys, they are simply following what their family and community taught them. I wish the best for them and I pray that they embrace real Islam. For you hardcore khameinists though, I hold nothing but enmity.

Have you watched the star wars movie or something lately? You sound like this guy -

Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Adil on December 20, 2019, 11:18:32 PM
I have been clear in that my Aqeedah is much closer to the Aqeedah of orthodox Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, who are the Asharis and Maturidis, and are less volatile in their approach and rhetoric. I respect Salafis as Muslims, but differ greater with them.

Having said that, a brother on a thread today claimed that if he wanted to become Shia, which Shia would he want to be?

In response, i have made a very fair argument. If i wanted to become Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah, can you clearly tell me which Aqeedah and which group to join?

If one group is calling the other group Ahlul Biddah, is that their fault or mine?

It's a serious question.

Respectfully, joining any one of them subsects would be a step up from twelver shiaism. So as the other guy said, join any one of them and we will say welcome.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Abu Muhammad on December 21, 2019, 02:26:54 AM
In the name of Allah,

Salamualykum brothers and sisters.

Assume i wanted to become a Sunni Muslim, how would i go about sifting through so many groups ardently opposed to one another?

Let me explain.

In Sunni Islam, people are not divided only the the four Madhabs, but by a far greater division: schools of Aqeedah. The major schools of Aqeedah in Sunni Islam are the Asharis , Maturidis, and Athari Salafis.

The Asharis and Maturidis are seen as the most in number, and are a major force in Pakistan, India, North Africa, most of the Middle East, and such regions. The Salafi Atharis are dominant in Saudi Arabia, certain African countries, London, and have greater Dawah efforts on the west.

Asharis and Maturidis regard Salafis as deviants, and not from the Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah, given they differ with them greatly on Tawheed and the attributes of Allah.

Salafis regard Asharis and Maturidis are deviants, and not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

Then you get onto other groups, such as the Deobandis, Barelvis, who are often adopters of one of the four Madhabs, but differ greatly on ritualistic practices, such that many Deobandis regard Barelvis to be innovators and those who commit shirk.

You then have major divisions between Hanafis, who are often Maturidis, and Salafis, on the topic of even making Taqleed of a scholar or following a scholar entirely.

Even among Salafis, there are major divisions. You have one group accusing the other of being Madhkhali, Ikhwani, Khawarij etc

Given the deep differences in Aqeedah, in sub-groups, and in following a Madhab, in this sea of confusion, how does anyone navigate around it?

That is why people need a divinely appointed infallible imam to guide us to the true path of Allah so that nobody, including Twelvers who got numerous Maraji' conflicting among themselves, will ever have any confusion whatsoever to choose the truth .

BUT WAIT... WHERE IS HE? WE NEED HIM!
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 21, 2019, 04:16:20 AM
That is why people need a divinely appointed infallible imam to guide us to the true path of Allah so that nobody, including Twelvers who got numerous Maraji' conflicting among themselves, will ever have any confusion whatsoever to choose the truth .

BUT WAIT... WHERE IS HE? WE NEED HIM!

"That is why people need a divinely appointed infallible imam"

If the Shaykhain had accepted what the Messenger s.a.w had to offer rather than rushing to Saqifa to stop the matter slipping away from them then the Muslims wouldn’t be in this division.

"including Twelvers who got numerous Maraji' conflicting among themselves"

Neither did anyone of them kick off a different school of thought nor did anyone send takfeer on the other like Sunni Barelvis and Deobandis.

"BUT WAIT... WHERE IS HE? WE NEED HIM!"

You don't need him, that's why he ain't around. You had the option of 11, but how did you treat them. Muslims weren't bothered. They took matters into their own hands. So Allah decided to send the 12th into occultation leaving the arrogant and ignorant Muslim Ummah to get on with it.

The reason why you're coming up with all this is to divert attention to save your skins. I'm going to bring the main question back which you're running from. If someone wants to become a Sunni then which Sunni should they become and why? You start things but unfortunately get stuck in it yourself. That's how good you are.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 21, 2019, 05:02:57 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

In order to condense the member's research, not to undermine the massive effort he had to put in it, here is the list of "scholars" he has relied upon, the ones who are in opposition to one another.

Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

That is every single one of our scholars, right?  As he said, "total and utter disarray".

To address the question in the original post, the three schools of aqeedah are varying degrees of the same concept.  In other words, the Ashari and Maturidi were responses to the Mutazili problem so they took the basic articles of faith and crystallized them further (hence, varying degrees of the same concept).

Rest assured that no matter which Sunni you choose to be, you'll have far more Qur'anic and Prophetic support for your beliefs than all of the Shi'i schools (past and present) combined!
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 21, 2019, 11:10:49 PM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

In order to condense the member's research, not to undermine the massive effort he had to put in it, here is the list of "scholars" he has relied upon, the ones who are in opposition to one another.

Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

That is every single one of our scholars, right?  As he said, "total and utter disarray".

To address the question in the original post, the three schools of aqeedah are varying degrees of the same concept.  In other words, the Ashari and Maturidi were responses to the Mutazili problem so they took the basic articles of faith and crystallized them further (hence, varying degrees of the same concept).

Rest assured that no matter which Sunni you choose to be, you'll have far more Qur'anic and Prophetic support for your beliefs than all of the Shi'i schools (past and present) combined!

"Rest assured that no matter which Sunni you choose to be, you'll have far more Qur'anic and Prophetic support for your beliefs than all of the Shi'i schools (past and present) combined"

LOL. LOL AGAIN. Your belief only survives in constantly and regularly questioning the other just to try and catch them out at any one point. Propaganda against others is what keeps you alive and going. You have absolutely nothing to talk about or to promote. Your belief is full of double standards and contradictions.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 21, 2019, 11:59:17 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.timesofindia.com/city/jaipur/barelvis-deobandis-fight-over-burial-right/amp_articleshow/56545555.cms&ved=2ahUKEwj9k-6o0MfmAhUNiFwKHZCGCFIQFjAJegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1KFotEHD2wW443ahaYRj7c&ampcf=1


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/150265/beliefs-of-the-bareilawis-or-barelvis
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 22, 2019, 12:57:54 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

In order to condense the member's research, not to undermine the massive effort he had to put in it, here is the list of "scholars" he has relied upon, the ones who are in opposition to one another.

Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

That is every single one of our scholars, right?  As he said, "total and utter disarray".

To address the question in the original post, the three schools of aqeedah are varying degrees of the same concept.  In other words, the Ashari and Maturidi were responses to the Mutazili problem so they took the basic articles of faith and crystallized them further (hence, varying degrees of the same concept).

Rest assured that no matter which Sunni you choose to be, you'll have far more Qur'anic and Prophetic support for your beliefs than all of the Shi'i schools (past and present) combined!

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://allanruhl.com/why-mohammed-hijab-is-dangerous/&ved=2ahUKEwiU0ryg28fmAhVjolwKHQVRCTIQFjAOegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw12xZS-9pJZM9LW20QZPbqw
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 22, 2019, 01:11:55 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

In order to condense the member's research, not to undermine the massive effort he had to put in it, here is the list of "scholars" he has relied upon, the ones who are in opposition to one another.

Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

That is every single one of our scholars, right?  As he said, "total and utter disarray".

To address the question in the original post, the three schools of aqeedah are varying degrees of the same concept.  In other words, the Ashari and Maturidi were responses to the Mutazili problem so they took the basic articles of faith and crystallized them further (hence, varying degrees of the same concept).

Rest assured that no matter which Sunni you choose to be, you'll have far more Qur'anic and Prophetic support for your beliefs than all of the Shi'i schools (past and present) combined!

Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

Are these the guys you follow. These must your Muftis now from whom you get guidance and wisdom shown by you on this site. Do this bunch represent the Ahle Sunnah globally now. May God help the Ahle Sunnah then.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: bla blu on December 22, 2019, 06:13:54 AM
The overwhelming majority (90%) of muslims are sunnis. So, it is natural to find diverse schools of thought among the ulema of the 90% than in the minority made up of the other sects. Difference in thoughts pertaining to fiqh and things isn't necessarily a bad thing; difference of opinion on complex matters that the scholars deal with is natural. They aren't mostly differing on core of Islam. It's the nitty-gritties and fiqh. The vast majority of the commoners and laymen among the sunnis are not even aware of most of the things mentioned in the original post. These are largely differences of opinion within the ulema or religiously learned circles (the divide between shia and sunni, on the other hand, is a divide across all commoners and laymen - e.g., in the fact that they go to different masajid; in the existence of completely new places of worship such as imambara/husseiniyat, shia temples etc.; they have completely different hadith literature, and as such essentially altogether different religions). MOST of what OP lists are simply over issues of fiqh and few over high-level aqidah issues that the sunni commoners do not generally delve into (ashari, athari, maturidi). This is not to say that there aren't deviated groups among sunnis, there are. But, the way OP blows the whole thing out of proportion and makes it into a "I can't decide which sunni to become" is sad to see.

There is quite a bit of hypocrisy on his part. Here is a good read for him that shows how diverse shi'ism is and has been despite being such a small religion: http://www.twelvershia.net/2013/06/28/the-sunnah-are-divided-and-the-shia-are-united/

But, all in all, it's actually funny. If different schools of thought and differences among the scholars of a sect is the criteria he follows to reach the truth, then he should just go ahead and become ahmadi. A new, very small sect/religion that perhaps has the least amount of school of thought and for obvious reasons of course. He might as well just open a new sect/religion with a handful of buddies as followers after sorting out every single points of difference among themselves and then call it the truth.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 22, 2019, 09:34:35 PM
When it comes to us they disregard facts and start making it out as if it's a big issue, as though it's a big deal. But what they put forward about us when you put the same forward about them then they'll come out with ifs and buts and start watering things down. It's shown as a big issue when it comes to us. But it's all normal and comes natural when it's them.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 22, 2019, 09:42:05 PM
See the arrogance of Mr hijab. The lack of attention and respect he's showing to the woman speaking to him. Ikhlaq? And also watch how Mr hijab is dodging questions by not answering. He's not even engaging. So now we know people on this site where they get it from.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB0DaFurldGo&ved=2ahUKEwjH3cy888nmAhVPQ0EAHW2CBrEQwqsBMAN6BAgFEAo&usg=AOvVaw1-pRHjnVuVAO0NzOS_Gw4Z
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Rationalist on December 23, 2019, 06:20:58 AM
See the arrogance of Mr hijab. The lack of attention and respect he's showing to the woman speaking to him. Ikhlaq? And also watch how Mr hijab is dodging questions by not answering. He's not even engaging. So now we know people on this site where they get it from.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB0DaFurldGo&ved=2ahUKEwjH3cy888nmAhVPQ0EAHW2CBrEQwqsBMAN6BAgFEAo&usg=AOvVaw1-pRHjnVuVAO0NzOS_Gw4Z


You again don't know the background they are coming from. Hijab said they go around calling Allah a liar. If Hijab showed them something they would further try to say that by dismissing the facts.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Rationalist on December 23, 2019, 07:33:44 AM
In the name of Allah,



In Sunni Islam, people are not divided only the the four Madhabs,
The Jafari fiqh during Shaykh Mufid's time had more divisions. Then Shaykh Mufid requested Shaykh Tusi to unify it. It was Shaykh Tusi who unified the Jafari fiqh with his fallible guesswork. Then later his descendants ibn Idris again challenged that unification. Fiqhi differences will always exist. In fact, Islam in the first century had over 100 madhabs and not 4 or 8 like today. In fact, some of the fiqhi views of the 12er Shia actually trace back to the older madhabs among Sunni which no longer exist.



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but by a far greater division: schools of Aqeedah. The major schools of Aqeedah in Sunni Islam are the Asharis , Maturidis, and Athari Salafis.
The Aqeeda of 12er Shia before Shaykh Saduq differed. Then Shaykh Saduq came and started his school of aqeeda. Then Shaykh Mufid was still not comfortable with this. He went to the Mutazilla and studied under them, and then started his own school. Later Shaykh Tusi didn't agree with Shaykh Mufid total Mutazilla approach and shifted some of the views of aqeeda.



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Asharis and Maturidis regard Salafis as deviants, and not from the Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah, given they differ with them greatly on Tawheed and the attributes of Allah.

Salafis regard Asharis and Maturidis are deviants, and not from the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.
Shaykh Mufid wrote a whole book in disagreement with Shaykh Saduq. Then later Shaykh Tusi disagreed with Shaykh Mufid. These scholars disagreed what with each others guess work of what the Imams really believed.   

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Then you get onto other groups, such as the Deobandis, Barelvis, who are often adopters of one of the four Madhabs, but differ greatly on ritualistic practices, such that many Deobandis regard Barelvis to be innovators and those who commit shirk.
Today you have Shirazis, and supporters of Waliyah faqih. Also, you have the likes of Nakshawani who is hybrid of doing taqiyyah and non-taqiyyah.  Then you also have Iraqi 12er SHia who are angry with Iran's interfere in Iraq.

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You then have major divisions between Hanafis, who are often Maturidis, and Salafis, on the topic of even making Taqleed of a scholar or following a scholar entirely.
Yes even some 12er Shia believe that only the 12 imams can guide the ummah. They are against the concept of trusting other Syeds with khumms and leadership.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Khaled on December 23, 2019, 08:17:16 PM
In the name of Allah,

Salamualykum brothers and sisters.

Assume i wanted to become a Sunni Muslim, how would i go about sifting through so many groups ardently opposed to one another? *snip*
Given the deep differences in Aqeedah, in sub-groups, and in following a Madhab, in this sea of confusion, how does anyone navigate around it?

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته,

This seems like a very strange questions to ask considering Islam (every version of it except Shi'asm) is the fastest growing religion in the world without a close second.  The 1.5 billion Muslims, ولله الحمد, pray in the same mosques, study together, and are united in more ways than the 100-200 million or so Shi'as.  The divisions between groups like Brevlis, Deobandis, Salafis etc are really only highlighted by extremists amongst Muslims, while the divisions between different Maraaji' (such as Fadlallah vs Shirazi vs Khaminei vs Sistani) is irreconcilable from the top down; meaning it is being propagated by the Maraji themselves.  This is not taking into consideration the seemingly different religions that Akhbarism and Usoolism are, or how Shi'as generally speaking, only visit Shia centers that cater to their demographics.

So الحمدلله, if one wants to be a Muslim, he doesn't have to become a student of knowledge and therefore, he doesn't have to pick a school to follow.  If he wants to be an extremists like some of the Deobandis, Brevlis, Salafis or all of the Shi'as and become a sectarian and disassociate from the rest of the Muslims, then I would definitely advise him to stay away such sectarians as they are the furthest thing away from Islam, the Sunnah, the Sahaba or Ahl al Bayt
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 24, 2019, 12:54:53 AM
Shaykh Abdurahman Hassan
Shaykh Abdul Haleem
Salafi Shaykh on IslamQA
Abu Khadeejah
Al-Albani
A Sunni Hanafi brother
Bro Hajji
Shamsi
Mohammed Hijab
Dawah Man
Shaykh Haytham al-Hadad

Are these the guys you follow. These must your Muftis now from whom you get guidance and wisdom shown by you on this site. Do this bunch represent the Ahle Sunnah globally now. May God help the Ahle Sunnah then.

If you don't understand sarcasm then may God help you.  Not only did you not get the sarcasm, which proves your low level of comprehension, but you proceeded to compound on your misunderstanding of my post by then attacking brother Mohammed Hijab as if discrediting him is the same as undermining the entire Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 01:03:03 AM
If you don't understand sarcasm then may God help you.  Not only did you not get the sarcasm, which proves your low level of comprehension, but you proceeded to compound on your misunderstanding of my post by then attacking brother Mohammed Hijab as if discrediting him is the same as undermining the entire Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.

I didn’t attack anyone. Just pointing out facts.You're discrediting yourself by not engaging. Why bother to be at speakers corner in the first place if you're not going to engage and answer to what you're asked.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 24, 2019, 01:22:10 AM
I didn’t attack anyone. Just pointing out facts.You're discrediting yourself by not engaging. Why bother to be at speakers corner in the first place if you're not going to engage and answer to what you're asked.

Rest assured, the amount of work Mohammed Hijab does for the religion in a month is more than your entire family has done in their entire existence.  He stood in the middle of an entire EDL crowd while being attacked physically.  One Sunni in the face of a sea of crowd.  For you lot, there is not masculinity among 313 of you to convince your scared one to come out!
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 01:27:46 AM
Rest assured, the amount of work Mohammed Hijab does for the religion in a month is more than your entire family has done in their entire existence.  He stood in the middle of an entire EDL crowd while being attacked physically.  One Sunni in the face of a sea of crowd.  For you lot, there is not masculinity among 313 of you to convince your scared one to come out!

Mocking ain't gonna get you anywhere. And nor will it effect me. What the hell was he doing in the middle of an EDL crowd in the first place. You know nothing about my family. Don't get personal.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 24, 2019, 01:34:11 AM
Mocking ain't gonna get you anywhere. And nor will it effect me. What the hell was he doing in the middle of an EDL crowd in the first place. You know nothing about my family. Don't get personal.

How am I mocking?  I am stating facts!  Are you and your family involved in dawah?  If yes, name me your YouTube channel and the organization that you all are behind.  Mohammed Hijab has his own channel and is actively participating in iERA which has expanded beyond Europe to Africa, Australia and North America. 

And you will never understand what he was doing in the middle of an EDL crowd because your "guide" is a coward who does not know how to lead from the front.  Hence, explaining what he was doing there will only go over your head.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 04:56:43 AM
How am I mocking?  I am stating facts!  Are you and your family involved in dawah?  If yes, name me your YouTube channel and the organization that you all are behind.  Mohammed Hijab has his own channel and is actively participating in iERA which has expanded beyond Europe to Africa, Australia and North America. 

And you will never understand what he was doing in the middle of an EDL crowd because your "guide" is a coward who does not know how to lead from the front.  Hence, explaining what he was doing there will only go over your head.

Dawah? My family and I don't have a heart as blackened as yours that we need to go around throwing dirt on others and end up getting filthy ourselves in the process. If you could explain what he was doing in the middle of EDL then you already would have done it. Putting yourself in the middle of the EDL or the BNP is nothing short of utter stupidity. And that's certainly no bravery.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on December 24, 2019, 01:22:14 PM
Assume i wanted to become a Sunni Muslim, how would i go about sifting through so many groups ardently opposed to one another?
Become that Sunni, who believes that there is existence of something outside of creation. Not the one who denies of existence outside of creation, because that would put you in a very critical situation.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
Become that Sunni, who believes that there is existence of something outside of creation. Not the one who denies of existence outside of creation, because that would put you in a very critical situation.

Outside of creation, Ok. Outside where? Is there a specific area or place we're talking about? Does Allah have a structure, and shape or form? Can he be seen? Will he be seen? Don't shy away.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on December 24, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
Will he be seen? Don't shy away.
Abu Basir said that he told Imam Sadiq (a.s): “I have been told that God will not take away anyone’s eyesight unless He grants him a reward in Heaven.” Imam Sadiq (a.s) said: “There is some thing there (in Heaven) that is even better.” Abu Basir asked: “What is it?” The Imam (a.s) replied: “It is seeing God’s face.”(Shia book, MISHKAT UL-ANWAR FI GHURAR AL-AKHBAR page 24, by Hassan ibn Fazl ibn Hassan Tabarsi)

We read in Shia book al-Mahasin” (p 60), and in “Musnad ar-Rida” (1/95):

101- عنه عن بكر بن صالح عن أبي الحسنالرضا (ع) قال من سره أن ينظر إلى الله بغير حجاب و ينظر الله إليه بغير حجاب فليتولآل محمد و ليتبرأ من عدوهم و ليأتم بإمام المؤمنين منهم فإنه إذا كان يوم القيامة نظر الله إليه بغير حجاب و نظر إلى الله بغير حجاب .

From Abul Hasan al-Rida (alaihi salam): Who wants to look at Allah without obstacle and Allah looks at him without obstacle, let him to befriend with family of Muhammad and be (far) away from their enemies, and follow Imam of believers from amongst them, (and if he would do that) in the doomsday Allah would look at him without obstacle and he would look at Allah without obstacle.

shia books “Sahifa sajadiya al-kamila”. That’s a book of prays that attributed to imam Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali ibn Abu Talib[4th Shia Imam) (may Allah be pleased with all of them).

In the chapter “The Whispered Prayer of the Lovers ” we can read (On-line)

My God, place us with him whom Thou hast chosen for Thy nearness and Thy friendship, purified through Thy affection and Thy love, given yearning for the meeting with Thee, made pleased with Thy decree, granted GAZING UPON THY FACE, shown the favour of Thy good pleasure, given refuge from separation from Thee and Thy loathing.

Shia book, Sahifa Sajjadiya, In chapter “The Whispered Prayer of those asking for Mediation” you can read:

 My God, I have no mediation with Thee but the tender acts of Thy clemency, nor any way to come to Thee but the gentle favours of Thy mercy and the intercession of Thy Prophet, the prophet of mercy, who rescued the community from confusion. Make these two my tie to attaining Thy forgiveness and let them take me to triumph through Thy good pleasure! My hope has dismounted in the sacred precinct of Thy generosity, my craving has alighted in the courtyard of Thy munificence. So actualize my expectation from Thee, seal my works with good, and place me among Thy selected friends, those whom Thou hast set down in the midst of Thy Garden, and settled in the abode of Thy honour, whose eyes Thou hast gladdened by gazing upon Thee on the day of meeting Thee, and whom Thou hast made heirs to the sure stations in Thy neighbourhood!


Sahifa Sajjadiya,  in chapter “The Whispered Prayer of the Abstainers” you can read:

لهِي فَزَهِّدْنا فِيها، وَسَلِّمْنا مِنْها بِتَوْفِيقِكَ وَعِصْمَتِكَ، وَانْزَعْ عَنَّا جَلابِيبَ مُخالَفَتِكَ، وَتَوَلَّ أُمُورَنا بِحُسْنِ كِفايَتِكَ، وَأَوْفِرْ مَزِيدَنا مِنْ سَعَةِ رَحْمَتِكَ، وَأَجْمِلْ صِلاتِنا مِنْ فَيْضِ مَواهِبِكَ، وَاغْرِسْ فِي أَفْئِدَتِنا أَشْجارَ مَحَبَّتِكَ، وَأَتْمِمْ لَنا أَنْوارَ مَعْرِفَتِكَ، وَأَذِقْنا حَلاوَةَ عَفْوِكَ، وَلَذَّةَ مَغْفِرَتِكَ، وَأَقْرِرْ أَعْيُنَنا يَوْمَ لِقآئِكَ بِرُؤْيَتِكَ، وَأَخْرِجْ حُبَّ الدُّنْيا مِنْ قُلُوبِنا كَما فَعَلْتَ بِالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ صَفْوَتِكَ، وَالأَبْرارِ مِنْ خاصَّتِكَ بِرَحْمَتِكَ يا أَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ، وَيا أَكْرَمَ الأَكْرَمِينَ.
My God, induce us to renounce it and keep us safe from it by Thy giving success and Thy preservation from sin. Strip from us the robes of opposing Thee, attend to our affairs through Thy good sufficiency, amplify our increase from the boundless plenty of Thy mercy, be liberal in our gifts from the overflow of Thy grants, plant in our hearts the trees of Thy love, complete for us the lights of Thy knowledge, give us to taste the sweetness of Thy pardon and the pleasure of Thy forgiveness, gladden our eyes on the day of meeting Thee with the vision of Thee, dislodge the love of this world from our spirits, just as Thou hast done for the righteous, Thy selected friends, and for the pious, those whom Thou hast singled out! O Most Merciful of the merciful, O Most Generous of the most generous!

In fact, Ali Zayn al-`Abidin constantly mentions looking at God in his Sahifah, examples:”

وَشَوَّقْتَهُ إِلىٰ لِقَائِكَ وَرَضَّيْتَهُ بِقَضائِكَ، وَمَنَحْتَهُ بِالنَّظَرِ إلىٰ وَجْهِكَ
“Made him yearn for the meeting with You, made him pleased with Your decree and granted him (the joy of) gazing upon Your face”

وَلا تَحْجُبْ مُشْتاقِيكَ عَنِ النَّظَرِ إلَىٰ جَمِيلِ رُؤْيَتِكَ
“Place no veil to obstruct those who yearn from seeing  the beauty upon looking at you”

وَشَوْقِي إلَيْكَ لا يَبُلُّهُ إِلاَّ النَّظَرُ إِلىٰ وَجْهِكَ
“My yearning for you shall not be quenched except after looking at your face”

فِي الْقُرْبىٰ مِنْكَ، وَالزُّلْفىٰ لَدَيْكَ، وَالتَّمَتُّعِ بِالنَّظَرِ إلَيْكَ،
“Through nearness to you, proximity with you and the enjoyment of gazing upon You”
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
Abu Basir said that he told Imam Sadiq (a.s): “I have been told that God will not take away anyone’s eyesight unless He grants him a reward in Heaven.” Imam Sadiq (a.s) said: “There is some thing there (in Heaven) that is even better.” Abu Basir asked: “What is it?” The Imam (a.s) replied: “It is seeing God’s face.”(Shia book, MISHKAT UL-ANWAR FI GHURAR AL-AKHBAR page 24, by Hassan ibn Fazl ibn Hassan Tabarsi)

We read in Shia book al-Mahasin” (p 60), and in “Musnad ar-Rida” (1/95):

101- عنه عن بكر بن صالح عن أبي الحسنالرضا (ع) قال من سره أن ينظر إلى الله بغير حجاب و ينظر الله إليه بغير حجاب فليتولآل محمد و ليتبرأ من عدوهم و ليأتم بإمام المؤمنين منهم فإنه إذا كان يوم القيامة نظر الله إليه بغير حجاب و نظر إلى الله بغير حجاب .

From Abul Hasan al-Rida (alaihi salam): Who wants to look at Allah without obstacle and Allah looks at him without obstacle, let him to befriend with family of Muhammad and be (far) away from their enemies, and follow Imam of believers from amongst them, (and if he would do that) in the doomsday Allah would look at him without obstacle and he would look at Allah without obstacle.

shia books “Sahifa sajadiya al-kamila”. That’s a book of prays that attributed to imam Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali ibn Abu Talib[4th Shia Imam) (may Allah be pleased with all of them).

In the chapter “The Whispered Prayer of the Lovers ” we can read (On-line)

My God, place us with him whom Thou hast chosen for Thy nearness and Thy friendship, purified through Thy affection and Thy love, given yearning for the meeting with Thee, made pleased with Thy decree, granted GAZING UPON THY FACE, shown the favour of Thy good pleasure, given refuge from separation from Thee and Thy loathing.

Shia book, Sahifa Sajjadiya, In chapter “The Whispered Prayer of those asking for Mediation” you can read:

 My God, I have no mediation with Thee but the tender acts of Thy clemency, nor any way to come to Thee but the gentle favours of Thy mercy and the intercession of Thy Prophet, the prophet of mercy, who rescued the community from confusion. Make these two my tie to attaining Thy forgiveness and let them take me to triumph through Thy good pleasure! My hope has dismounted in the sacred precinct of Thy generosity, my craving has alighted in the courtyard of Thy munificence. So actualize my expectation from Thee, seal my works with good, and place me among Thy selected friends, those whom Thou hast set down in the midst of Thy Garden, and settled in the abode of Thy honour, whose eyes Thou hast gladdened by gazing upon Thee on the day of meeting Thee, and whom Thou hast made heirs to the sure stations in Thy neighbourhood!


Sahifa Sajjadiya,  in chapter “The Whispered Prayer of the Abstainers” you can read:

لهِي فَزَهِّدْنا فِيها، وَسَلِّمْنا مِنْها بِتَوْفِيقِكَ وَعِصْمَتِكَ، وَانْزَعْ عَنَّا جَلابِيبَ مُخالَفَتِكَ، وَتَوَلَّ أُمُورَنا بِحُسْنِ كِفايَتِكَ، وَأَوْفِرْ مَزِيدَنا مِنْ سَعَةِ رَحْمَتِكَ، وَأَجْمِلْ صِلاتِنا مِنْ فَيْضِ مَواهِبِكَ، وَاغْرِسْ فِي أَفْئِدَتِنا أَشْجارَ مَحَبَّتِكَ، وَأَتْمِمْ لَنا أَنْوارَ مَعْرِفَتِكَ، وَأَذِقْنا حَلاوَةَ عَفْوِكَ، وَلَذَّةَ مَغْفِرَتِكَ، وَأَقْرِرْ أَعْيُنَنا يَوْمَ لِقآئِكَ بِرُؤْيَتِكَ، وَأَخْرِجْ حُبَّ الدُّنْيا مِنْ قُلُوبِنا كَما فَعَلْتَ بِالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ صَفْوَتِكَ، وَالأَبْرارِ مِنْ خاصَّتِكَ بِرَحْمَتِكَ يا أَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ، وَيا أَكْرَمَ الأَكْرَمِينَ.
My God, induce us to renounce it and keep us safe from it by Thy giving success and Thy preservation from sin. Strip from us the robes of opposing Thee, attend to our affairs through Thy good sufficiency, amplify our increase from the boundless plenty of Thy mercy, be liberal in our gifts from the overflow of Thy grants, plant in our hearts the trees of Thy love, complete for us the lights of Thy knowledge, give us to taste the sweetness of Thy pardon and the pleasure of Thy forgiveness, gladden our eyes on the day of meeting Thee with the vision of Thee, dislodge the love of this world from our spirits, just as Thou hast done for the righteous, Thy selected friends, and for the pious, those whom Thou hast singled out! O Most Merciful of the merciful, O Most Generous of the most generous!

In fact, Ali Zayn al-`Abidin constantly mentions looking at God in his Sahifah, examples:”

وَشَوَّقْتَهُ إِلىٰ لِقَائِكَ وَرَضَّيْتَهُ بِقَضائِكَ، وَمَنَحْتَهُ بِالنَّظَرِ إلىٰ وَجْهِكَ
“Made him yearn for the meeting with You, made him pleased with Your decree and granted him (the joy of) gazing upon Your face”

وَلا تَحْجُبْ مُشْتاقِيكَ عَنِ النَّظَرِ إلَىٰ جَمِيلِ رُؤْيَتِكَ
“Place no veil to obstruct those who yearn from seeing  the beauty upon looking at you”

وَشَوْقِي إلَيْكَ لا يَبُلُّهُ إِلاَّ النَّظَرُ إِلىٰ وَجْهِكَ
“My yearning for you shall not be quenched except after looking at your face”

فِي الْقُرْبىٰ مِنْكَ، وَالزُّلْفىٰ لَدَيْكَ، وَالتَّمَتُّعِ بِالنَّظَرِ إلَيْكَ،
“Through nearness to you, proximity with you and the enjoyment of gazing upon You”

😊 I'm asking about your faith from your scholars and books, not mine. Or does your faith and belief eventually depend on us. You're still nervous, I can see that. Gosh are you that weak and afraid.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on December 24, 2019, 10:00:01 PM
😊 I'm asking about your faith from your scholars and books, not mine. Or does your faith and belief eventually depend on us. You're still nervous, I can see that. Gosh are you that weak and afraid.
lol, you asked a question and you got a befitting response. Now either say that your Imams were Sunni or say that what uttered in there is blasphemous as per you. Dont be scared.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 24, 2019, 10:42:58 PM
lol, you asked a question and you got a befitting response. Now either say that your Imams were Sunni or say that what uttered in there is blasphemous as per you. Dont be scared.

Still frightened to discuss your belief. Have you got anything to show. I know you spend alot of time and energy to expose others, anything worthy among you.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 25, 2019, 12:02:02 AM
If you could explain what he was doing in the middle of EDL then you already would have done it.

He had heard that a certain cuckold Shi'i imam in the UK was giving mut'ah handouts at an EDL gathering.  That's why!


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Putting yourself in the middle of the EDL or the BNP is nothing short of utter stupidity. And that's certainly no bravery.

Check this bull$hit-tery!  When Imam Hussain (ra) goes to confront an army of 5,000 and in the process seals his own fate and many of his own innocent family members', it is bravery not utter stupidity or suicide.  However, when a brave Sunni brother goes to confront the EDL with one of his friends, it is "utter stupidity" and "certainly no bravery".
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 25, 2019, 04:55:37 AM
He had heard that a certain cuckold Shi'i imam in the UK was giving mut'ah handouts at an EDL gathering.  That's why!


Check this bull$hit-tery!  When Imam Hussain (ra) goes to confront an army of 5,000 and in the process seals his own fate and many of his own innocent family members', it is bravery not utter stupidity or suicide.  However, when a brave Sunni brother goes to confront the EDL with one of his friends, it is "utter stupidity" and "certainly no bravery".

"He had heard that a certain cuckold Shi'i imam in the UK was giving mut'ah handouts at an EDL gathering.  That's why"

No wonder he got the bashing of a lifetime. I told you that you come out with stuff but when questioned or asked to explain yourself you go all wonky.

"When Imam Hussain (ra) goes to confront an army of 5,000 and in the process seals his own fate and many of his own innocent family members', it is bravery not utter stupidity or suicide"

That's what the vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah believe in along with the Shias.

"However, when a brave Sunni brother goes to confront the EDL with one of his friends, it is "utter stupidity" and "certainly no bravery"

Absolutely correct. You're spot on. Confronting the EDL on what? On bringing back the Islamic Caliphate or turning the whole of the UK to your Islam.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 26, 2019, 12:21:18 AM
No wonder he got the bashing of a lifetime.

Exactly!  And no wonder Imam Hussain (ra) and his family got slaughtered.  What was he thinking when he took his family to confront Yazeed?  Much like how Mohammed Hijab took his friend to confront the EDL!


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Absolutely correct. You're spot on. Confronting the EDL on what? On bringing back the Islamic Caliphate or turning the whole of the UK to your Islam.

As I alluded to in the past, I would not waste time explaining bravery to cowards who cannot even assemble 313 men while numbering in millions.  You just won't get it.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: iceman on December 26, 2019, 03:21:17 AM
Exactly!  And no wonder Imam Hussain (ra) and his family got slaughtered.  What was he thinking when he took his family to confront Yazeed?  Much like how Mohammed Hijab took his friend to confront the EDL!


As I alluded to in the past, I would not waste time explaining bravery to cowards who cannot even assemble 313 men while numbering in millions.  You just won't get it.

"Exactly!  And no wonder Imam Hussain (ra) and his family got slaughtered.  What was he thinking when he took his family to confront Yazeed?

Ask your scholars. They'll tell you. You're talking as though Hussain belonged to us. As though he was our personal property. You can't find the right and fit examples to give. Because you talk with grudge and respond by emotion. Relax. Don't get yourself in a twist.


"Much like how Mohammed Hijab took his friend to confront the EDL!"

Took his friend? What, he had only one friend. Well three rushed off to Saqifa to confront the Ansar. And two went off to confront the EDL. Not bad. Confront the EDL over what.

"As I alluded to in the past, I would not waste time explaining bravery to cowards who cannot even assemble 313 men while numbering in millions.  You just won't get it.

Oh I get it. You keep forgetting to mention those cowards who fled from the battle of Ohad abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him behind stranded. At least hijab is miles better than them. Why don't you compare hijab to them.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: muslim720 on December 26, 2019, 10:52:03 PM
Took his friend? What, he had only one friend. Well three rushed off to Saqifa to confront the Ansar. And two went off to confront the EDL. Not bad.

Not bad, exactly!  We can get the job done in twos and threes.  Takes three to render the first, second and third "infallible" Imams (ra) helpless.  Takes two to confront the entire EDL and walk away relatively unscathed.

Woe unto those who claim to have leaders who know their hour of death with control over atoms and yet claim that their leaders had to be cautious for their lives.


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Oh I get it. You keep forgetting to mention those cowards who fled from the battle of Ohad abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him behind stranded.

What is Ohad?  And which "cowards" do you speak about?  No matter what you say, it took three of them to render four of your "infallibles" (ra) helpless so if three "cowards" could do that to your four "infallibles" (ra), what does that say about your four "infallibles" (ra)?  Not much, huh!
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on June 06, 2020, 08:28:26 PM
Any valid responses?
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: whoaretheshia on June 19, 2020, 03:54:22 PM
Is anyone willing to sit down with me, on this thread, and explain to me a valid criteria in terms of which Aqeedah i should have among the various Aqeedahs, and which Fiqh approach i should adopt, among the various different ones?

You are calling me away from the Jafari Madhab, and school of ale-Muhammed, of Thaqalayn, but what are you calling me to?

This is a fair question. Nobody has really engaged with it.
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: Abu Muhammad on June 19, 2020, 09:11:40 PM
Is anyone willing to sit down with me, on this thread, and explain to me a valid criteria in terms of which Aqeedah i should have among the various Aqeedahs...

It was simply a polemical question. My advice is that you should have an aqeedah that does not contain "Ya 14 infallibles" madad.

... and which Fiqh approach i should adopt, among the various different ones?

You are calling me away from the Jafari Madhab, and school of ale-Muhammed, of Thaqalayn, but what are you calling me to?

This is a fair question. Nobody has really engaged with it.

It's not a fair question. It's another polemical question. Why? Don't you know about the reality of Jaafari Madhab as you claimed?:

Grand Ayatullah Fadlullah in his book “al-Ma`alim al-Jadidah lil Marji`iyah al-Shi`iyah” pg.117

إن المشكلة التي نواجهها في تعدد المرجعيات هي المشكلة التي نواجهها في تعدد المذاهب الفقهية لأن المرجعيات هي مذاهب فقهية متعددة من خلال طبيعة تنوع الفتاوى، وتنوع النظريات في هذا المجال

[The problem that we are facing in having numerous Marja`iyat (plural of Marji`) is the same as that of having numerous Fiqhi Madhabs, because the Marji`iyat are numerous Fiqhi Madhabs in their natural variety of Fatwas and  views.]
Title: Re: I want to become a Sunni...but which Sunni?
Post by: MuslimK on June 20, 2020, 02:27:39 PM
Any valid responses?

Valid response? If you cared about valid responses you would have got them already on this thread.

Just to refresh your memory - these responses are sufficient:

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26839/#msg26839

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26893/#msg26893

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26909/#msg26909

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26860/#msg26860

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26845/#msg26845

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26903/#msg26903

https://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg26850/#msg26850

http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/i-want-to-become-a-sunni-but-which-sunni/msg28357/#msg28357

Is anyone willing to sit down with me, on this thread, and explain to me a valid criteria in terms of which Aqeedah i should have among the various Aqeedahs, and which Fiqh approach i should adopt, among the various different ones?

You are calling me away from the Jafari Madhab, and school of ale-Muhammed, of Thaqalayn, but what are you calling me to?

This is a fair question. Nobody has really engaged with it.

We are calling you towards to the true teachings of the School of Ale-Muhammad - we see any association of your Imami sect with Ahlulbayt as insult to them.