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Title: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Kalaam on June 28, 2020, 12:24:57 AM
The question is already mentioned in the topic, Shias claim that Fatima (r.a) is superior to eleven Imams. What is the basis of this superiority? Because we know that she was neither a prophet nor an imam. So how is she superior to eleven imams if imamate is considered a higher rank than the prophethood by Shias.
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on June 28, 2020, 01:00:59 AM
Good question akhee.
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Soccer on June 28, 2020, 05:02:38 AM
The question is already mentioned in the topic, Shias claim that Fatima (r.a) is superior to eleven Imams. What is the basis of this superiority? Because we know that she was neither a prophet nor an imam. So how is she superior to eleven imams if imamate is considered a higher rank than the prophethood by Shias.

The position of Fatima, Sarah, the two Mariams (peace be upon them all), is explained in Quran.  Women are in need of inspiration and Mariam (s) is also one of the Imams who guide by God's command per Suratal Anbiya and part of the course that is one course for humanity, the course of God's chosen ones.

Spiritually Fatima (s) can appear and connect people in the unseen to God just like rest of Imams (a) can and Imam Mahdi (a) can connect us to any of the Ahlulbayt (a) who can spiritually help us and they are the stars of the sky of this world. Fatima has the star brightness role and she is among those weapons against Iblis and his forces and among the lights that are a refuge and sanctuary from Satanic forces.

The difference is she will not lead militarily - that is the only task that is not for women that she is not of the Captains that navigate society but rather she did call politically towards Ali (a) but she won't be leading militarily if an uprising would have occurred.

That said, Ahlulbayt (a) are all equal rank.

As for the first Mariam (a), the sister of Musa (a) and Harun (a), you know when you read about Mana in Quran, that was through her hands, God fed bani-Israel through her hands.  And the curse of Bani-Israel when they started to make a ugly lie about that Mariam (a) and Harun (a) and ended with their words of killing the anointed king from the line of David (a) who is not dead but to return.

Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: MuslimK on June 28, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
The question is already mentioned in the topic, Shias claim that Fatima (r.a) is superior to eleven Imams. What is the basis of this superiority? Because we know that she was neither a prophet nor an imam. So how is she superior to eleven imams if imamate is considered a higher rank than the prophethood by Shias.

Interesting!

Good to see you post once in a while ;)
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Soccer on June 28, 2020, 07:59:44 PM
Also, some hadiths make it as if some Anbiya are not leaders, other hadiths show, all of them were leaders (Imams). To me it's obvious all Anbiya were leaders who guide by God's command.

Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Kalaam on June 28, 2020, 09:23:57 PM
Interesting!

Good to see you post once in a while ;)

Thanks Akhi, it is good to see all of you in action till date. Keep it up, jazakumullah khair.
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Shia not Rafidi on July 07, 2020, 06:21:44 AM
They may say :
1 - Being mother of 11 imams
2 - Being Mother of Princes of ahlul Jannah
3 - Being daughter of Prophet PBUH
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on July 07, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
They may say :
1 - Being mother of 11 imams
2 - Being Mother of Princes of ahlul Jannah
3 - Being daughter of Prophet PBUH


Well what about the mother of prophet pbuh?
According to your thinking then She should be higher then ALL women for She was the mother of the last prophet pbuh,The last prince, The One who is regarded for Muslims as higher than the love for the parents after Allah swt, The One who is higher than the divine imams.

If Fatima ra was higher than imams because of the 3 answers you gave then the mother of prophet pbuh is even higher because she gave birth to the prophet pbuh.

What they may say doesn’t make sense.
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Shia not Rafidi on July 10, 2020, 04:34:28 AM
Well what about the mother of prophet pbuh?
According to your thinking then She should be higher then ALL women for She was the mother of the last prophet pbuh,The last prince, The One who is regarded for Muslims as higher than the love for the parents after Allah swt, The One who is higher than the divine imams.

If Fatima ra was higher than imams because of the 3 answers you gave then the mother of prophet pbuh is even higher because she gave birth to the prophet pbuh.

What they may say doesn’t make sense.
Bro i said "They may say" I'm a sunni man, was just saying what would be their excuses lel
Title: Re: If Imamate is superior to Prophethood, why is Fatima superior than eleven Imams?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on July 10, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
Bro i said "They may say" I'm a sunni man, was just saying what would be their excuses lel

My bad sorry bro