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Title: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Rationalist on January 03, 2020, 02:20:16 AM
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/qasem-suleimani-killed-in-strike-at-baghdad-airport-report.html

Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 03, 2020, 03:52:36 AM
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/qasem-suleimani-killed-in-strike-at-baghdad-airport-report.html

May he burn in hell for all the sunni lives he has helped take, for all our women and men who were raped, for every sunni family destroyed.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 03, 2020, 03:57:00 AM
This will be interesting. The Americans really put the regime in a difficult position, whether it was on purpose or by accident, either way it's tough. If the regime does not reply harshly then it will lose legitimacy and look weak. If it does reply hard then it could lead to war which the Iranians have desperately tried to avoid.

Either way, an overall positive situation for the Muslims. Sure a war could be really but it's not like the Iranians haven't been killing us Muslims from Iraq to Syria to Yemen. Heck these ayotollahs have even tried to expand into Pakistan. The rafidah becoming weaker only leads to benefit for the Muslim world.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Ebn Hussein on January 03, 2020, 04:21:36 AM
La3natullahi on him and his partisans (Shias).

https://twitter.com/EbnHussein1424/status/1212941881409253376
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 03, 2020, 06:58:43 AM
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Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 03, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
This guy was the leader of al quds from the revolutionary guards who was one of the main architects of spreading the Shiite crescent and the killing of innocent Sunni Muslims in Iraq and Syria.

I know America is wrong for ordering strikes like this where innocents can get caught up, today it was a good call.......about time too!

👍
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Sheikh on January 03, 2020, 02:32:36 PM
I can’t believe that hateful buffoon (Trump) actually did something good for once.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 03, 2020, 06:31:05 PM
May he burn in hell for all the sunni lives he has helped take, for all our women and men who were raped, for every sunni family destroyed.

And what about those Sunnis who have killed Shias along with others? Him burning in hell or not one thing is for sure, this will have consequences and there will be repercussions.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 03, 2020, 06:57:37 PM
I can’t believe that hateful buffoon (Trump) actually did something good for once.

Good? What ever suits us and is according to our desire is good. Otherwise it's bad. Was actually good and bad in reality is another thing. Trump did what suited him. He is being impeached. He and his administration is scandalous. He is a businessman and not a politician. So he will do what suits him. Not what is suitable and healthy for the country and the people. He just did this to move the attention of the world and the media away from his scandalous admin and his impeachment. He doesn't think of the consequences and repercussions of what he does and the decisions he makes. After all he's a businessman, not a politician.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: sid on January 03, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
Dont say anything bad about Qasem Solemani. It is not right.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 03, 2020, 09:46:17 PM
And what about those Sunnis who have killed Shias along with others? Him burning in hell or not one thing is for sure, this will have consequences and there will be repercussions.

Another "what about xyz?" argument from you. Already been through this and condemned sunni oppressors for you. Time for you to do the same with oppressive shias like this one who just bit the dust.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 03, 2020, 09:48:52 PM
Dont say anything bad about Qasem Solemani. It is not right.

Why? That man was responsible for Muslims suffering throughout the middle east. He has the blood of 10,000s of sunnis on his hands.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on January 03, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Clearly the Shias are not happy!  If the Western narrative about this man is true, it is amazing that Shias are failing to offer a word of condemnation whereas almost the entirety of the Sunni world were rejoicing at the death of the ISIS leader.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on January 03, 2020, 10:08:01 PM
And what about those Sunnis who have killed Shias along with others?

May Allah (swt) dishonor and severely punish - in this life and the Hereafter - those who harm and/or kill innocent Shias and/or human beings at large.  Now can you say the same in this case?


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Him burning in hell or not one thing is for sure, this will have consequences and there will be repercussions.

Sounds like you are hoping for consequences and repercussions.  That, in of itself, exposes where you allegiance lies.  Or maybe I am reading too much in-between the lies.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on January 03, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
By the way, ShiaChat is organizing a Qur'an recitation for Qasem Soleimani and so they are asking for volunteers who will recite one of the thirty juz.  Any volunteers on TS?

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235065017-shahid-gen-qasem-soleimani-quran-recitation/
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Rationalist on January 04, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
This is first time in decades the took out a leader who had strong  support. Usually it took down leaders who didn't have much backing such as Saddam and Gadaffi. With that being said I recall when the war was against Sunni extremist, the 12er Shia would support the war mongering lobby and say they are only continuing what occured in Saqifa. However when the US switched enemies, the same 12er Shia would go back and use the unity card. After seeing this move, I believe the full concentration will now be on Iran. The sad part is the 12er Shia side don't see Iran as an extremist nation. Are they  going to be forced in taqiyyah soon? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Sheikh on January 04, 2020, 07:41:01 AM
Good? What ever suits us and is according to our desire is good. Otherwise it's bad. Was actually good and bad in reality is another thing. Trump did what suited him. He is being impeached. He and his administration is scandalous. He is a businessman and not a politician. So he will do what suits him. Not what is suitable and healthy for the country and the people. He just did this to move the attention of the world and the media away from his scandalous admin and his impeachment. He doesn't think of the consequences and repercussions of what he does and the decisions he makes. After all he's a businessman, not a politician.


I have no love for that man (Trump) so I’m not sure what your point is. Soleimani was a terrorist that killed thousands of Muslims. He and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are cut from the same cloth. Difference between us is we hate “our” terrorists and you love yours.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 04, 2020, 09:43:20 AM
Shiachat is always a great forum for destroying Iranian/shia propaganda. Anyway because Khamenei likes to act as if Iran is some great fighter against America and Israel, I thought this little screenshot would help show some truth. The post is by a shiachat admin who is attempting to defend the dead Iranian general against American claims that he was responsible for American soldier deaths.

(https://i.imgur.com/CDajOAD.jpg)
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Rationalist on January 04, 2020, 04:14:38 PM
What Craig Murray said is true. If you read the 12er Shia book, their main enemies are those who follow the leaders of Saqifa. Iran has been more focused and involved in trying to take down ahle sunnah. In addition they used the concept of unity to cover up their agenda. The Sunni extremist have always been stupid. On the contrary, under leader Khamenei Iran has always been very clever. Iran did have some smaller conflicts with Israel, but that conflict was more focused on self defense. The most the Iran has done to the West is the hostage crises in 1979, and in addition chant death slogans. Iran is similar position as North Korea, the only difference is they are blessed with oil.

The other point which is important to note is comparing Sunni extremist to 12er Shia resistance is like comparing apples to oranges. The Soviet invasion  in 80's left many Sunnis unemployed. The Sunnis went in war in their teens and came out with no worldly qualifications. The same process continues till this day. The 12er Shia on the other hand regardless of being a minority always tend to be highly educated and also hold high paid jobs. So they haven't faced the same pressure.
 
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 08:51:50 PM
What Craig Murray said is true. If you read the 12er Shia book, their main enemies are those who follow the leaders of Saqifa. Iran has been more focused and involved in trying to take down ahle sunnah. In addition they used the concept of unity to cover up their agenda. The Sunni extremist have always been stupid. On the contrary, under leader Khamenei Iran has always been very clever. Iran did have some smaller conflicts with Israel, but that conflict was more focused on self defense. The most the Iran has done to the West is the hostage crises in 1979, and in addition chant death slogans. Iran is similar position as North Korea, the only difference is they are blessed with oil.

The other point which is important to note is comparing Sunni extremist to 12er Shia resistance is like comparing apples to oranges. The Soviet invasion  in 80's left many Sunnis unemployed. The Sunnis went in war in their teens and came out with no worldly qualifications. The same process continues till this day. The 12er Shia on the other hand regardless of being a minority always tend to be highly educated and also hold high paid jobs. So they haven't faced the same pressure.
 

"If you read the 12er Shia book, their main enemies are those who follow the leaders of Saqifa"

And which book is that. How many Shias have read and followed it. Well what ever is in that book.

"Iran has been more focused and involved in trying to take down ahle sunnah"

I don't know where and how you got that from.

"In addition they used the concept of unity to cover up their agenda"

They use the concept of unity because that's what they truly believe in. It doesn't matter what they do, since you're wearing negative spectacles so that's how you're going to see it.

The hatred for Shias is clearly in your books throughout history. And that's how you've been raised. So no expectations of difference in thinking or positive change from your side.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 08:59:05 PM
Shiachat is always a great forum for destroying Iranian/shia propaganda. Anyway because Khamenei likes to act as if Iran is some great fighter against America and Israel, I thought this little screenshot would help show some truth. The post is by a shiachat admin who is attempting to defend the dead Iranian general against American claims that he was responsible for American soldier deaths.

(https://i.imgur.com/CDajOAD.jpg)

He doesn't need defending. No one heard or spoke about him till the strike. If he was a terrorist or murderer then he would have been mentioned and well known globally like Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, Osama bin Laden or Aiman Al Zawahiri. Now those who say and yapp on that the Iranian regime doesn't have much support in Iran, are you watching the news lately. Look at the thousands out on the streets in Iran as well as Iraq.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 04, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
He doesn't need defending. No one heard or spoke about him till the strike. If he was a terrorist or murderer then he would have been mentioned and well known globally like Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, Osama bin Laden or Aiman Al Zawahiri. Now those who say and yapp on that the Iranian regime doesn't have much support in Iran, are you watching the news lately. Look at the thousands out on the streets in Iran as well as Iraq.

He was definitely known. So known that even some iraqis openly celebrated his death and oppressed syrians handed out sweets upon learning of his demise. I'm sorry you didn't know him but you aren't exactly the most aware person. The sunni world is happy about the death of this sectarian shia oppressor.

The protests against the Iranian regime had far more people lol. The protests in Iraq against the government had far more people. Who you trying to fool man?

If you think this terrorist doesn't need defending then go make an account on shiachat and tell them to stop wasting their time.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
Analysis for many Sunni Muslim Countries, Is Iran really a threat.
Anyone fond of dividing the Middle East into good Sunnis and evil Shias will have to explain how Pakistan is able to carry on a romance with both powers.

Thus anyone fond of dividing the Middle East into good Sunnis and evil Shias will have to explain how a Sunni state like Pakistan is able to carry on a romance with both Shia Iran and ultra-Sunni Saudi Arabia. And if this isn’t enough, he’ll also have to explain how Shia Iran maintains close relations with the Sunni Taliban in Afghanistan while also helping Afghanistan’s Sunni government.

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa paid an unusual, “historic” visit to Tehran. The general, with numerous medals adorning his dress uniform, embraced the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and declared that he had come to Iran in part to learn how to build and deploy volunteer militias like Iran’s Basij in his own country. The two countries also have shared economic interests, like the gas pipeline that’s supposed to run from Iran to India via Pakistan and the Russian oil pipeline that’s slated to follow a similar route.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Analysis for many Sunni Muslim Countries, Is Iran really a threat.
Anyone fond of dividing the Middle East into good Sunnis and evil Shias will have to explain how Pakistan is able to carry on a romance with both powers.

Thus anyone fond of dividing the Middle East into good Sunnis and evil Shias will have to explain how a Sunni state like Pakistan is able to carry on a romance with both Shia Iran and ultra-Sunni Saudi Arabia. And if this isn’t enough, he’ll also have to explain how Shia Iran maintains close relations with the Sunni Taliban in Afghanistan while also helping Afghanistan’s Sunni government.

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa paid an unusual, “historic” visit to Tehran. The general, with numerous medals adorning his dress uniform, embraced the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and declared that he had come to Iran in part to learn how to build and deploy volunteer militias like Iran’s Basij in his own country. The two countries also have shared economic interests, like the gas pipeline that’s supposed to run from Iran to India via Pakistan and the Russian oil pipeline that’s slated to follow a similar route.

If Iran is such a great threat that it justifies Saudi Arabia’s crude intervention in other Mideast countries’ internal affairs – see, for example Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s recent resignation – then why hasn’t Riyadh imposed sanctions on Pakistan? There are two answers to that. First, Saudi Arabia needs Pakistan in its “Sunni” coalition. But no less important, for the time being, it can’t do without Pakistani workers. Lebanon, in contrast, is just a pawn.

One could pose a similar question to Riyadh about its close ties with Turkey, another economic and strategic ally of Tehran. Two years ago, Turkey joined Saudi Arabia’s Sunni alliance (after initially being ostracized by it) without being required to sever its ties with Iran – something Riyadh has demanded of Qatar, though not of the United Arab Emirates, whose trade with Iran is even more extensive. Evidently, the Saudis recognize the limits of their war against Iran.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 04, 2020, 10:39:04 PM
Analysis for many Sunni Muslim Countries, Is Iran really a threat.
Anyone fond of dividing the Middle East into good Sunnis and evil Shias will have to explain how Pakistan is able to carry on a romance with both powers.

Because Pakistani leaders don't care about who is evil and who is not. They care about their own worldly interests. For example China has 100,000s of Muslims locked up, yet Pakistan calls it it's 'iron brother'. So quite clearly Pakistan does not choose who to work with by looking at whether they are good or evil.

Even whilst going along with sunni-shia neutrality, the Pakistani military still provides ex-serviceman for Bahrain even though it knows that the Bahrain government will use them to crackdown on rebelling shias. It doesn't do it because it has joined up sunnis but rather again because it just meets Pakistani interests.

But worry not though, over this past year there has been a sharp increase of anti-Iran sentiment in Pakistan and Pakistani authorities have launched a crackdown on shia who work for Iran as target killers or serve it in other bad roles. So there have been improvements made in this direction. May Allah (swt) grant Pakistan a strong and religious sunni ruler.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 10:43:00 PM
The Israeli and American satisfaction with Riyadh’s anti-Iran campaign, which depicts the Iranian threat as the principal axis around which the Middle East revolves, is misguided. This simplistic outlook primarily serves the Israeli and American need to find an ultimate enemy and build a military policy around it. But this view of the Iranian threat is not shared by all Arab states, including ones that have signed peace agreements with Israel.

Egypt, for instance, is Israel’s ally in the war against Sunni terrorist organizations in Sinai and the Gaza Strip, and it defines Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Yet it also opposes Saudi Arabia’s aggressive stance against Iran and Hezbollah. Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri is visiting several Mideast countries this week in an effort to persuade Riyadh and its allies to use diplomacy rather than military threats. Egypt also “rebelled” against Saudi dictates last year when it supported a Russian United Nation resolution on Syria, to which Iran was a party, and suffered Saudi economic sanctions as a result.

As for Jordan, it is more worried about radical Sunni militias setting up shop near its border than it is about an Iranian presence in the Golan Heights. Jordan also rejected a Saudi demand that it attack forces loyal to the Assad regime on Syrian territory. It too suffered economic penalties as a result: Riyadh stopped the financial aid it had promised.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 04, 2020, 10:48:48 PM
The Israeli and American satisfaction with Riyadh’s anti-Iran campaign, which depicts the Iranian threat as the principal axis around which the Middle East revolves, is misguided. This simplistic outlook primarily serves the Israeli and American need to find an ultimate enemy and build a military policy around it. But this view of the Iranian threat is not shared by all Arab states, including ones that have signed peace agreements with Israel.

Egypt, for instance, is Israel’s ally in the war against Sunni terrorist organizations in Sinai and the Gaza Strip, and it defines Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Yet it also opposes Saudi Arabia’s aggressive stance against Iran and Hezbollah. Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri is visiting several Mideast countries this week in an effort to persuade Riyadh and its allies to use diplomacy rather than military threats. Egypt also “rebelled” against Saudi dictates last year when it supported a Russian United Nation resolution on Syria, to which Iran was a party, and suffered Saudi economic sanctions as a result.

Why are you copy and pasting random paragraphs? It's not your work, yet you're providing no link to the original source.

Are you trying to troll-spam the thread or something?
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 10:50:45 PM
These countries would apparently prefer to be in the same situation as Pakistan and Turkey, which have close ties with both Tehran and Riyadh and can maneuver between them based on their own national interests. But as a result of these countries’ dependence on Saudi Arabia, it seems the real threat, in their view, isn’t Iran, but the Saudi sanctions they can expect if they disobey Riyadh.

Thus the “Sunni axis” is really a “Saudi axis.” This isn’t a group of Sunni countries driven by religious hatred of a Shia country; rather, the common denominator that unites its members is their dependence on Riyadh or their desire to be its economic ally. Moreover, the claim that there’s a risk of Shia Islam spreading in Sunni states portrays Sunni countries as being weak and on the defensive – as if the sweeping Sunni majority, comprising some 90 percent of all Muslims, were actually afraid of the power of the Shia, who comprise only about 10 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
He was definitely known. So known that even some iraqis openly celebrated his death and oppressed syrians handed out sweets upon learning of his demise. I'm sorry you didn't know him but you aren't exactly the most aware person. The sunni world is happy about the death of this sectarian shia oppressor.

The protests against the Iranian regime had far more people lol. The protests in Iraq against the government had far more people. Who you trying to fool man?

If you think this terrorist doesn't need defending then go make an account on shiachat and tell them to stop wasting their time.

His job was to deal with threats outside Iran. Those that are a threat to Iranians when traveling or living abroad. Or those who kill Shias or believe in their killing. And these are the ruthless and brutal Sunni militants and militias. 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 11:02:56 PM
Because Pakistani leaders don't care about who is evil and who is not. They care about their own worldly interests. For example China has 100,000s of Muslims locked up, yet Pakistan calls it it's 'iron brother'. So quite clearly Pakistan does not choose who to work with by looking at whether they are good or evil.

Even whilst going along with sunni-shia neutrality, the Pakistani military still provides ex-serviceman for Bahrain even though it knows that the Bahrain government will use them to crackdown on rebelling shias. It doesn't do it because it has joined up sunnis but rather again because it just meets Pakistani interests.

But worry not though, over this past year there has been a sharp increase of anti-Iran sentiment in Pakistan and Pakistani authorities have launched a crackdown on shia who work for Iran as target killers or serve it in other bad roles. So there have been improvements made in this direction. May Allah (swt) grant Pakistan a strong and religious sunni ruler.

"China has 100,000s of Muslims locked up, yet Pakistan calls it it's 'iron brother"

And what about Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries 😊

"launched a crackdown on shia who work for Iran as target killers or serve it in other bad roles"

Those who have been killing Shias constantly, well Shias will have to protect themselves at the end. 😊 You can't blame Shias for retaliating and taking on Sunni extremists, Sunni cold blood killers. 😊

Over 1,900 Shias (including Hazaras and Ismailis) were killed in bomb blasts or targeted gun attacks from 2012 to May 2015 alone. The violence has claimed lives of thousands of men, women and children. Shia make up 20% of the Muslim population in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
Shia Muslims have been killed in large numbers by ISIL. On 12 June 2014, ISIL killed 1,700 unarmed Shia Iraqi Army cadet recruits in the Camp Speicher massacre. ISIL has also targeted Shia prisoners. According to witnesses, after the militant group took the city of Mosul, they divided the Sunni prisoners from the Shia prisoners. Up to 670 Shia prisoners were then taken to another location and executed. Kurdish officials in Erbil reported on the incident of Sunni and Shia prisoners being separated and Shia prisoners being killed after the Mosul prison fell to ISIL.

Amnesty International has held ISIL responsible for the ethnic cleansing of ethnic and religious minority groups in northern Iraq (Christians and Yezidis) on a "historic scale", putting entire communities "at risk of being wiped off the map of Iraq". In a special report released on 2 September 2014, it described how ISIL had "systematically targeted non-Sunni Muslim communities, killing or abducting hundreds, possibly thousands, of individuals and forcing more than tens of thousands of Shias, Sunnis, along with other minorities to flee the areas it has captured since 10 June 2014". The most targeted Shia groups in Nineveh Governorate were Shia Turkmens and Shabak, who have lived together for centuries in Nineveh, large parts of which came under ISIL's control from mid-2014 to late 2017.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 04, 2020, 11:36:30 PM
Because Pakistani leaders don't care about who is evil and who is not. They care about their own worldly interests. For example China has 100,000s of Muslims locked up, yet Pakistan calls it it's 'iron brother'. So quite clearly Pakistan does not choose who to work with by looking at whether they are good or evil.

Even whilst going along with sunni-shia neutrality, the Pakistani military still provides ex-serviceman for Bahrain even though it knows that the Bahrain government will use them to crackdown on rebelling shias. It doesn't do it because it has joined up sunnis but rather again because it just meets Pakistani interests.

But worry not though, over this past year there has been a sharp increase of anti-Iran sentiment in Pakistan and Pakistani authorities have launched a crackdown on shia who work for Iran as target killers or serve it in other bad roles. So there have been improvements made in this direction. May Allah (swt) grant Pakistan a strong and religious sunni ruler.

"For example China has 100,000s of Muslims locked up, yet Pakistan calls it it's 'iron brother"

How many Muslim countries are there, what, 45 to 50. And all you see is Pakistan and Iran over the China and it's Muslims issue. 😊 What about the rest who are Sunni governed 😆
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 04, 2020, 11:40:20 PM
You're a time waster ice man and I'm not falling for your whataboutery. You bring up pakistan and then ask why I'm always talking about pakistan. Troll.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Rationalist on January 05, 2020, 01:53:08 AM
"If you read the 12er Shia book, their main enemies are those who follow the leaders of Saqifa"

And which book is that. How many Shias have read and followed it. Well what ever is in that book.
The 12er Shia books say Abi Bakr and Umar are Pharaoh and Hamaan. There is a narration about this where the Imam you number 6 says he is Rafidah and add that being a Rafidah is same as opposing the Pharaoh. 

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They use the concept of unity because that's what they truly believe in. It doesn't matter what they do, since you're wearing negative spectacles so that's how you're going to see it.
The people who call on unity also say the  oppression and hatred toward the 12er Shia madhab links back to Saqifa. Are you going to deny this?

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The hatred for Shias is clearly in your books throughout history. And that's how you've been raised. So no expectations of difference in thinking or positive change from your side.
Yes, it is. I am not going to deny that. 12er Shia have been massacred throughout history. Their history of persecution resembles that of the Jews. However, in reaction the 12er Shia also became takfiri and attributed takfiri views toward the Imams. The difference our views are based on fatwas from people who hate 12er Shia. On the contrary, the Takfiri views of the 12er Shia are attributed to the Imams.


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And that's how you've been raised.
This is false. I have been on shiachat since 2004, and then finally they banned in 2010 because I began to expose the takfiri view of their zakirs. Then I also interacted with many 12er Shia after that. When you don't fall for their traps and they realize you won't accept their dawah they also become hostile toward you.  Before 2003, the 12er Shia rarely existed for me. All I was grew up learning about the 12er Shia is they curse the sahaba, the regret what happened in Karbala etc. In fact, before 2003 I didn't get much interaction. Then I joined shiachat in 2004, and  I listened to many unity lectures that were programmed for dawah. However, when you listen closely you will see that there is a massive hate toward Sunni Islam (ie Abi Bakr and Umar). The 12er Shia believe Abi Bakr and Umar reasons for today's problems.  Some even went as far as saying the 12th imam will go their graves and deal with them. 


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"Iran has been more focused and involved in trying to take down ahle sunnah"
Yes the supreme leader made a fatwa on not cursing the sahaba. Islamic Pulse talked about this, but he still believes Umar killed Fatima.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 05, 2020, 12:12:48 PM

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa paid an unusual, “historic” visit to Tehran. The general, with numerous medals adorning his dress uniform, embraced the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and declared that he had come to Iran in part to learn how to build and deploy volunteer militias like Iran’s Basij in his own country. The two countries also have shared economic interests, like the gas pipeline that’s supposed to run from Iran to India via Pakistan and the Russian oil pipeline that’s slated to follow a similar route.

That’s news to me is that, I know bajwa went to Iran but not to learn about volunteer militias, we used Afghanistan for that we don’t need learning from others.

Please DO provide your sources.......otherwise your just spitting garbage.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 05, 2020, 12:30:44 PM

One could pose a similar question to Riyadh about its close ties with Turkey, another economic and strategic ally of Tehran. Two years ago, Turkey joined Saudi Arabia’s Sunni alliance (after initially being ostracized by it) without being required to sever its ties with Iran – something Riyadh has demanded of Qatar, though not of the United Arab Emirates, whose trade with Iran is even more extensive. Evidently, the Saudis recognize the limits of their war against Iran.

Erm.....if my memory serves me right Turkey got pressured by Russia otherwise they still want the dog Bashar gone.
Turkey is no ally of Iran........where do you get all this tripe from?

https://ahvalnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/ahvalnews.com/iran-turkey/turkey-iran-covert-war-seven-years-columnist?amp

It’s politics they will never befriend Iran.

Go do some real research and provide evidence for your ideas and notions.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 05, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
His job was to deal with threats outside Iran. Those that are a threat to Iranians when traveling or living abroad. Or those who kill Shias or believe in their killing. And these are the ruthless and brutal Sunni militants and militias. 😊

He was a ruthless and brutal militant too...... go ask the Sunnis who are celebrating with sweets in Syria.

Stop vouching for terrorists and making excuses for them he deserved what he got.

Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 05, 2020, 04:05:45 PM
You're a time waster ice man and I'm not falling for your whataboutery. You bring up pakistan and then ask why I'm always talking about pakistan. Troll.

I know you hate facts. 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 05, 2020, 04:09:53 PM
He was a ruthless and brutal militant too...... go ask the Sunnis who are celebrating with sweets in Syria.

Stop vouching for terrorists and making excuses for them he deserved what he got.

He helped defeat ISIS and other militant groups and militias. I know those groups were Sunnis. But they were a global threat to all. Those Sunnis that you so dearly speak of had a monstrous ideology and was an absolute threat to mankind let alone Shias and Sunnis. He was no terrorist and certainly wasn't labelled as a terrorist. Trump is a business man. He has no knowledge of politics and how to run a country.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 05, 2020, 04:11:39 PM
Erm.....if my memory serves me right Turkey got pressured by Russia otherwise they still want the dog Bashar gone.
Turkey is no ally of Iran........where do you get all this tripe from?

https://ahvalnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/ahvalnews.com/iran-turkey/turkey-iran-covert-war-seven-years-columnist?amp

It’s politics they will never befriend Iran.

Go do some real research and provide evidence for your ideas and notions.

A post without sarcasm and silly smiley faces, you've certainly changed. What happened to you. 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 05, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
That’s news to me is that, I know bajwa went to Iran but not to learn about volunteer militias, we used Afghanistan for that we don’t need learning from others.

Please DO provide your sources.......otherwise your just spitting garbage.

Garbage is what you spit all the time. 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 12:48:23 AM
He was definitely known. So known that even some iraqis openly celebrated his death and oppressed syrians handed out sweets upon learning of his demise. I'm sorry you didn't know him but you aren't exactly the most aware person. The sunni world is happy about the death of this sectarian shia oppressor.

The protests against the Iranian regime had far more people lol. The protests in Iraq against the government had far more people. Who you trying to fool man?

If you think this terrorist doesn't need defending then go make an account on shiachat and tell them to stop wasting their time.

"He was definitely known. So known that even some iraqis openly celebrated his death"

Some Iraqis? How many? Iraqi parliament want US troops out if Iraq over this. Killing Sulaimani as such is a clear breach of international law and Iraq's sovereignty.


"and oppressed syrians handed out sweets upon learning of his demise"

Oppressed Syrians? Oppressed by ISIS. Qasim helped defeat ISIS along with Hizbullah. Americans, Europeans and the weak Arabs couldn't even dream of defeating ISIS.


"I'm sorry you didn't know him but you aren't exactly the most aware person"

Nobody knew him as a terrorist. And neither did America or you ever mention him as a terrorist. And neither was this put through congress. Because Trump knew he wouldn't get the approval from congress. Because Qasim wasn't a terrorist. He fought terrorists and saved the lives of many people. And avenged the deaths of many.

"The sunni world is happy about the death of this sectarian shia oppressor"

Not the Sunni world but the Sunni hate mongers along with Sunni terrorists. There's an element of your faith that breeds terrorists.

"The protests against the Iranian regime had far more people lol. The protests in Iraq against the government had far more people. Who you trying to fool man?"

Are you not watching the events in Iran, Iraq and lebanon. Do you get a good kick out of fooling yourself.

"If you think this terrorist doesn't need defending then go make an account on shiachat and tell them to stop wasting their time"

No need to. I love knocking skittles here. 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:20 AM
He helped defeat ISIS and other militant groups and militias. I know those groups were Sunnis. But they were a global threat to all. Those Sunnis that you so dearly speak of had a monstrous ideology and was an absolute threat to mankind let alone Shias and Sunnis. He was no terrorist and certainly wasn't labelled as a terrorist. Trump is a business man. He has no knowledge of politics and how to run a country.

Yes he was a terrorist ask the Syrians and the Sunni Iraqis.

You denying doesn’t change the facts.

😂
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
A post without sarcasm and silly smiley faces, you've certainly changed. What happened to you. 😊

Lol you still haven’t changed from producing garbage after garbage, I noticed you only commented on me, that says it all about your bull without evidence.

It’s inbred in you.👍😜
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2020, 10:24:42 AM
Garbage is what you spit all the time. 😊

Just like the divine imarmite.........garbage.😂😂

Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Garbage is what you spit all the time. 😊

Well please do forward ANY real evidence with your posts otherwise it’s just garbage, I know truth hurts you hence you have to LIE with your posts.

Iceman=wasteman

😂😂😂
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Adil on January 06, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
Yes he was a terrorist ask the Syrians and the Sunni Iraqis.

You denying doesn’t change the facts.

😂

Tbf even many of the shia Iraqi despise this guy for his interference in their countries.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
Tbf even many of the shia Iraqi despise this guy for his interference in their countries.

The only ones propping up this terrorist scum are the Iran loving takfiri shiites including a lying dimwit posting on here lying about Turkish friendship and general bajwa asking to learn about volunteer militias😂

Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:04:45 PM
The only ones propping up this terrorist scum are the Iran loving takfiri shiites including a lying dimwit posting on here lying about Turkish friendship and general bajwa asking to learn about volunteer militias😂

Alqaida, Taliban, ISIS, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Sipa e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jangvi, Lashkar e Teyiba, Boko Haram and many many more, Allah Sunnis 😊 So who's more involved in terrorism? The takfiri Sunnis 😊 And look who's talking.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:07:03 PM
Tbf even many of the shia Iraqi despise this guy for his interference in their countries.

"many of the shia Iraqi"?

Not seeing that anywhere in the world news 😊 Infact it's absolutely the opposite 😊
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:08:17 PM
Just like the divine imarmite.........garbage.😂😂

Imamah is in the Qur'an. So you can call it what ever you like 😆
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
Lol you still haven’t changed from producing garbage after garbage, I noticed you only commented on me, that says it all about your bull without evidence.

It’s inbred in you.👍😜

You sound like you just bumped your head 😆
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:11:00 PM
Yes he was a terrorist ask the Syrians and the Sunni Iraqis.

You denying doesn’t change the facts.

😂

I asked them and they said he wasn't 😂
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 07, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
Imamah is in the Qur'an. So you can call it what ever you like 😆

It’s not and you can’t defend it yes it’s garbage just like your posts.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 07, 2020, 11:59:28 AM
You sound like you just bumped your head 😆

I’m not the one cutting my skull with knives or banging my head on a certain month and calling it a religious ritual😂
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 07, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
I asked them and they said he wasn't 😂

Just like you asked the Sunni ahlu sunnah scholars and posted their YouTube vids on here😂😂
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 07, 2020, 11:28:20 PM
Just like you asked the Sunni ahlu sunnah scholars and posted their YouTube vids on here😂😂

He was a Sunni 😆 Fantastic if he shares your opinion 😊 Engineered or disowned if he doesn't 😅
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 12:01:51 PM
He was a Sunni 😆 Fantastic if he shares your opinion 😊 Engineered or disowned if he doesn't 😅

He is a Sunni 😆 fantastic if he shares your shia world view wether engineered or doctored or even if he is a nobody, anything will do 😂

Desperado😜
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 11:27:15 PM
He is a Sunni 😆 fantastic if he shares your shia world view wether engineered or doctored or even if he is a nobody, anything will do 😂

Desperado😜

Nothing satisfies the appetite of a hate monger like you 😆 1400 years and still nothing against the Shias. We're minority but still scaring the wits out of you lot. 😅
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 09, 2020, 03:20:47 PM
Nothing satisfies the appetite of a hate monger like you 😆 1400 years and still nothing against the Shias. We're minority but still scaring the wits out of you lot. 😅

Everything a shia spits out from his foul mouth about Islam being hijacked by a few and then cursing and abusing them is hate itself brought on by myths and lies and yet the shiites haven’t made a dent on the 3 great khalifa who came after prophet pbuh they are still Alhamdulillah praised by billions for the last 1400 years to this day together with the ahle baith ra by the .........SUNNI!!

So your appetite for hate is still within you not us here kid I will break it down for you

Iceman hates/shia hates:
Saqifa
Sahaba first 3
Wives of prophet

Sunni hates:
No one

We get taught the Quran and sunnah when young
You get taught lies and hate and how Sunnis took over power😂

You are a minority and like I said before with majority of Sunni we say.......Alhamdulillah you are minority a weak lying minority that it’s a good laugh when we get to debate and discuss with Shiite jokers like you😂👍
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 11:05:04 PM
https://youtu.be/pbC2BfruYDQ
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
https://youtu.be/pbC2BfruYDQ
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 12, 2020, 11:52:20 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Iranian_Prime_Minister%2527s_office_bombing&ved=2ahUKEwiKi-fEoP_mAhXOSBUIHTk9DogQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw32IZi4Fu6ELevqrecJclaq
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi&ved=2ahUKEwiF14qD5YLnAhXWRBUIHTFKApQQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3RpRHNVlSiVFDu-wWQJcU4

So now we know and learn about the protests in Iran and who's behind them. It's the same members and loyalists of the terror group MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And what are the western diplomats doing associating and engaging with them. So now we know why Iran is behaving in such a way.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on January 31, 2020, 01:21:08 AM
https://youtu.be/PICEliBoHQg
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on February 03, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Exactly same as Iran training houthi terrorists and killing innocent Muslims at the BEHEST of Shiite Iran who want to create a Shiite crescent and are associating and supplying them weapons, so we definitely know why Iran is behaving in such a way.

Dimwit number 1 👍
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on February 03, 2020, 04:28:18 PM
Exactly same as Iran training houthi terrorists and killing innocent Muslims at the BEHEST of Shiite Iran who want to create a Shiite crescent and are associating and supplying them weapons, so we definitely know why Iran is behaving in such a way.

Dimwit number 1 👍

Houthis are being killed by the Saudis. It's the Saudis interfering in the election process of another country (Yemen) and who should or shouldn't rule it. It's the Saudis who are killing innocent Muslims with the air strikes. Iran doesn't want to create anything. It just wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on February 03, 2020, 05:12:06 PM
Houthis are being killed by the Saudis. It's the Saudis interfering in the election process of another country (Yemen) and who should or shouldn't rule it. It's the Saudis who are killing innocent Muslims with the air strikes.

You are a liar!  As admitted per the Saudi Foreign Minister and others, Yemen was going through a transfer-of-power when the Houthis announced their uprising.  The leader of the Houthis lived, and was condition, in Iran.  Saudi Arabia did not start the strikes until the incoming leader of Yemen, who was under house arrest, somehow fled to the nearby city not occupied by Houthis and asked for help from the Gulf Countries.  So the Saudis got involved months after the uprising was announced.  And why wouldn't they?  Wouldn't Iran, if it is able to do so, go after a militia group seeking to upset the balance in its neighboring country?


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Iran doesn't want to create anything. It just wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.

I am glad you made it clear that Iran wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.  I wonder why the Houthis are important to them given that they're Zaidis, not Ithna Asharis, with whom they have fundamental creedal differences. 
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on February 04, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
You are a liar!  As admitted per the Saudi Foreign Minister and others, Yemen was going through a transfer-of-power when the Houthis announced their uprising.  The leader of the Houthis lived, and was condition, in Iran.  Saudi Arabia did not start the strikes until the incoming leader of Yemen, who was under house arrest, somehow fled to the nearby city not occupied by Houthis and asked for help from the Gulf Countries.  So the Saudis got involved months after the uprising was announced.  And why wouldn't they?  Wouldn't Iran, if it is able to do so, go after a militia group seeking to upset the balance in its neighboring country?


I am glad you made it clear that Iran wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.  I wonder why the Houthis are important to them given that they're Zaidis, not Ithna Asharis, with whom they have fundamental creedal differences.

"You are a liar"

Nope. You are. And the reason is your hatred for Shias.

"As admitted per the Saudi Foreign Minister and others"

Don't believe in and follow an individual or one side.

"I am glad you made it clear that Iran wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.  I wonder why the Houthis are important to them given that they're Zaidis, not Ithna Asharis, with whom they have fundamental creedal differences"

This prove Iran wants best for the entire Ummah. It's your kind that are always the cause of division and trouble. Would your kind and the Saudis do the same for whom they have fundamental creedal differences?
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: Mythbuster1 on February 04, 2020, 05:10:44 PM
Houthis are being killed by the Saudis. It's the Saudis interfering in the election process of another country (Yemen) and who should or shouldn't rule it. It's the Saudis who are killing innocent Muslims with the air strikes. Iran doesn't want to create anything. It just wants peace and protection for Shia Muslims.

Iran doesn’t want to create anything? So why are they supplying and arming houthis? To fire flowers??
My point was if others befriend terrorists in Iran then Iran does the same to others like Yemen.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on February 04, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
Nope. You are. And the reason is your hatred for Shias.

You could have presented evidence that contradicted my statement.  The best you could do, however, was to call me a liar back.  Even if we assume that I hate Shias, you still haven't countered my statement.


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Don't believe in and follow an individual or one side.

Then tell us what the Iranian narrative is.....the problem for you, and Iran at large, is that the Saudis have wisened up.  I said this earlier and I will say it again.  By 2030, the vast majority of Ummah who sees Iran as the sole voice of resistance will pity themselves for believing that at some point in their lives.


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This prove Iran wants best for the entire Ummah. It's your kind that are always the cause of division and trouble. Would your kind and the Saudis do the same for whom they have fundamental creedal differences?

Iran is NOT supporting the Houthis because it wants the best for the Ummah.  Iran is supporting a Zaydi group the leader of which lived in Iran and pledged allegiance to Iran.  Thanks to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia, I finally got a chance to see their side of the story and after doing my own research, it is pretty clear that Iran is no better than Saudi Arabia, possibly worse!
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on February 09, 2020, 11:32:45 PM
You could have presented evidence that contradicted my statement.  The best you could do, however, was to call me a liar back.  Even if we assume that I hate Shias, you still haven't countered my statement.


Then tell us what the Iranian narrative is.....the problem for you, and Iran at large, is that the Saudis have wisened up.  I said this earlier and I will say it again.  By 2030, the vast majority of Ummah who sees Iran as the sole voice of resistance will pity themselves for believing that at some point in their lives.


Iran is NOT supporting the Houthis because it wants the best for the Ummah.  Iran is supporting a Zaydi group the leader of which lived in Iran and pledged allegiance to Iran.  Thanks to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia, I finally got a chance to see their side of the story and after doing my own research, it is pretty clear that Iran is no better than Saudi Arabia, possibly worse!

"You could have presented evidence that contradicted my statement.  The best you could do, however, was to call me a liar back"

You call me a liar without answering or addressing anything at all as usual but have a problem with me calling you a liar. You're funny.

"Even if we assume that I hate Shias, you still haven't countered my statement"

You're a fine one to speak. You haven't answered or addressed anything ever. All you've come up with is irrelevant stuff like Imams and atoms or the 12th hiding in a cave etc etc. So look who's talking.

"Then tell us what the Iranian narrative is"

Untiy amongst Muslims which your kind are a threat to. This is something the rest of the Muslims don't understand. And this is exactly where the west is taken advantage of and has been for sometime.

:the problem for you, and Iran at large, is that the Saudis have wisened up"

All the Saudis and the gulf states are about is fatness and money on oil. They by and get things done for them. They get protection from the West because they can't defend themselves. When Saddam invaded Kuwait the Saudis shivered and begged the west to come to their aid. Iran is more than capable of protecting itself. There is no comparison with Iran in that region. A country (Iran) that is isolated by the West and by its own in the region is so strong compared to Saudi which is well looked after. Let these facts sink in to you.

:I said this earlier and I will say it again.  By 2030, the vast majority of Ummah who sees Iran as the sole voice of resistance will pity themselves for believing that at some point in their lives"

There's no harm in dreaming. Keep dreaming.

"Iran is NOT supporting the Houthis because it wants the best for the Ummah.  Iran is supporting a Zaydi group the leader of which lived in Iran and pledged allegiance to Iran"

The Houthis have every right to be protected when they're attacked by Saudi Arabia or who ever. Iran has every right to protect the oppressed. Pledging allegiance to Iran is no crime just as being a puppet or poodle to the west. Everything goes when it comes to others. That's how I think Iran should start seeing it.

"Thanks to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia, I finally got a chance to see their side of the story and after doing my own research"

Now listen to the other side and get to see their side of the story. Take off those bias goggles.

"It is pretty clear that Iran is no better than Saudi Arabia, possibly worse"

Better or worse, good or bad, Iran needs to start protecting itself and its interest within the region. Those who don't play fair and just and by principles that's how you need to deal with them.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on February 10, 2020, 04:30:40 AM
All the Saudis and the gulf states are about is fatness and money on oil. They by and get things done for them. They get protection from the West because they can't defend themselves.

So then why does your kind cry foul when Saudi fighter jets bomb the crap out of the Houthis in Yemen?  Which is it?  Can the Saudis defend themselves or can they not?

Not to mention that they have successfully intercepted an overwhelming majority of the 100+ ballistic missiles launched at them from Yemen, courtesy of Houthis and Iran!


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There's no harm in dreaming. Keep dreaming.

It is not a dream.  Mohammed bin Salman is making it a reality in a hurry so if anything, Iran is living its own nightmare - a wiser Saudi Arabia.


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The Houthis have every right to be protected when they're attacked by Saudi Arabia or who ever.

Houthis started this mess - it is a well-known fact no matter how hard you try to deny it - and those who start a war should not be protected for they are transgressors.  They must be defeated and anyone who comes to their defense (Iran) is just as rogue.


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Iran has every right to protect the oppressed.

If this is your standard then why do you deny US the same right?  USA was protecting the oppressed in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq when it took out Soleimani.  What is the problem?


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Now listen to the other side and get to see their side of the story. Take off those bias goggles.

I was all ears from 2007.....would watch every UN address and CNN interview of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, someone I admired.  But when I saw Iran dance to a different tune when the chickens came home to roost in Syria - after I had watched Iranian officials even cite their own revolution as an inspiring model for the "Arab Spring" - I realized that there was more to the whole thing than what meets the eye.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: iceman on February 10, 2020, 07:48:57 PM
So then why does your kind cry foul when Saudi fighter jets bomb the crap out of the Houthis in Yemen?  Which is it?  Can the Saudis defend themselves or can they not?

Not to mention that they have successfully intercepted an overwhelming majority of the 100+ ballistic missiles launched at them from Yemen, courtesy of Houthis and Iran!


It is not a dream.  Mohammed bin Salman is making it a reality in a hurry so if anything, Iran is living its own nightmare - a wiser Saudi Arabia.


Houthis started this mess - it is a well-known fact no matter how hard you try to deny it - and those who start a war should not be protected for they are transgressors.  They must be defeated and anyone who comes to their defense (Iran) is just as rogue.


If this is your standard then why do you deny US the same right?  USA was protecting the oppressed in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq when it took out Soleimani.  What is the problem?


I was all ears from 2007.....would watch every UN address and CNN interview of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, someone I admired.  But when I saw Iran dance to a different tune when the chickens came home to roost in Syria - after I had watched Iranian officials even cite their own revolution as an inspiring model for the "Arab Spring" - I realized that there was more to the whole thing than what meets the eye.

"So then why does your kind cry foul when Saudi fighter jets bomb the crap out of the Houthis in Yemen?"

Since when did my kind cry foul? Your kind are crying foul when Iran decides to help and aid those who are attacked. Get it. Iran helps those who are oppressed and or attacked.

"Which is it?  Can the Saudis defend themselves or can they not?"

How on earth are Saudis defending themselves by bombing Yemen? You've got nothing left in you.

"Not to mention that they have successfully intercepted an overwhelming majority of the 100+ ballistic missiles launched at them from Yemen, courtesy of Houthis and Iran"

Nope. Courtesy of America and the West. Without the West Saudi Arabia is nothing. They can't make or produce. The Saudis don't have it within them. Neither do the Gulfstates.

"It is not a dream.  Mohammed bin Salman is making it a reality in a hurry so if anything, Iran is living its own nightmare - a wiser Saudi Arabia"

Iran has been isolated and underseige since the revolution. No other country would have survived if it was put through what Iran has been. Dig it.

"Houthis started this mess - it is a well-known fact no matter how hard you try to deny it"

Nope. No other country Saudi) has a right to interfere in the affairs of another country (Yemen). If you have an issue then the United Nations are there. And that's exactly what they're there for. There was no war. The Saudis started it. You're just a sick individual based on prejudice towards Shias. Nothing can be done about your sickness.

"and those who start a war should not be protected for they are transgressors.  They must be defeated and anyone who comes to their defense (Iran) is just as rogue"

Really. Where was the Muslim community, infact the international community when Saddam attacked and invaded Iran in September 1980. Was Iran protected. Was Saddam defeated by the Muslim and international community. You're having a laugh. Your kind are full of double standards.

"If this is your standard then why do you deny US the same right?  USA was protecting the oppressed in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq when it took out Soleimani.  What is the problem"

Nope. In Syria the aim of the US was to topple Assad. In Lebanon US has a problem with Hizbullah, not because they're a threat to the US but a threat to Israel, an ally and friend of the US. They took out Soleimani because he was working on bringing Iran and Saudi Arabia to the table. He was working on a merger between the two. The US saw that as a great threat to its interests within that region.
Title: Re: Iranian General Qasem Suleimani Reportedly Killed in Strike at Baghdad Airport
Post by: muslim720 on February 11, 2020, 05:20:45 PM
How on earth are Saudis defending themselves by bombing Yemen? You've got nothing left in you.

Saudis are defending themselves, and a neighboring ally, by neutralizing the Houthis.  And because they owe their ally protection and stability, they have been subjected to ballistic missile attacks which they are successfully thwarting.


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Nope. Courtesy of America and the West. Without the West Saudi Arabia is nothing. They can't make or produce. The Saudis don't have it within them. Neither do the Gulfstates.

Keep telling yourself that!  When I went for my post-graduate degree, I was surprised at the number of Saudi students in one of my classes, all of whom now have jobs in Saudi Arabia.  As I said, Vision 2030 is moving the Kingdom towards progress by causing them to utilize their resources wisely and invest in their own citizens.


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Iran has been isolated and underseige since the revolution. No other country would have survived if it was put through what Iran has been. Dig it.

Whatever you say, Booker T!


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Nope. No other country Saudi) has a right to interfere in the affairs of another country (Yemen).

Then why is Iran actively supporting and training the Houthis?  "No other country has a right to interfere" must also be applied to Iran unless you have double standards, which you do!


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Really. Where was the Muslim community, infact the international community when Saddam attacked and invaded Iran in September 1980. Was Iran protected.

What has this got to do with our discussion?


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Nope. In Syria the aim of the US was to topple Assad. In Lebanon US has a problem with Hizbullah, not because they're a threat to the US but a threat to Israel, an ally and friend of the US. They took out Soleimani because he was working on bringing Iran and Saudi Arabia to the table. He was working on a merger between the two. The US saw that as a great threat to its interests within that region.

I don't care about your analysis.  I am comparing your standard to America's standard and they are the same.  You claim Iran has a right to defend itself and protect it's interests.  USA says the same and they took out Soleimani.  Why do you not afford US the same rights (to defend itself and protect it's interests) that you give to Iran?