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Title: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 11, 2015, 04:58:48 PM
al-Salamu `Aleykum,


I don't think any human being with intellect today still believes that `Iraq under the military Iranian Shia regime is better than the old `Iraq under the secular military regime.


`Iraqi soldiers posing with Yasir al-Habib's book "al-Faahishah" which accuses `A'ishah (as) of adultery and whatnot...
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 11, 2015, 09:38:45 PM
The same is with Iran. It was better under secular rule. For some reason a religious state no longer meets the standard of the Sunnah. Instead a religious state takes revenge on anyone questioning it.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: MuslimK on March 11, 2015, 10:22:08 PM
The other day special advisor to Iran's president said that Iraq is the capital of Iran
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 11, 2015, 11:31:28 PM
They keep saying stuff like this which shows their true intentions, they want to dominate the region, they said before that Bahrayn was a part of Iran, and they said they were behind Yemen and they claimed Syria is their own battle ground and an extension of their country.

May Allah save us from the Zanadiqah.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hadrami on March 11, 2015, 11:40:13 PM
there should be a new motto
"Iran In, Your Country Be Ruined"
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hadrami on March 11, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
They keep saying stuff like this which shows their true intentions, they want to dominate the region, they said before that Bahrayn was a part of Iran, and they said they were behind Yemen and they claimed Syria is their own battle ground and an extension of their country.

May Allah save us from the Zanadiqah.

Just like their cousin dreaming of Eretz Israel which cover many current arab countries
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Taha on March 11, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
^ The difference is that the vast vast majority of Israelis (including the right-wing Likudniks) don't want to expand. Iranians do ;)
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hadrami on March 12, 2015, 12:32:12 AM
^ The difference is that the vast vast majority of Israelis (including the right-wing Likudniks) don't want to expand. Iranians do ;)
from shia iranians living here that i know of, all dont care what their elite clergies think. They dislike what they are doing to Iran. Maybe im with the wrong crowd of iranian :)
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Husayn on March 12, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
I'm currently doing some research, and plan on writing an article or maybe a small book regarding the history of Iranian Rafidi attacks against the Ummah - will probablly start with Shah Ismail the Safavid and go from there.

There is no doubt that Iranian Rafidism has been a sword aimed at the back of the Muslim Ummah for hundreds of years.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 12, 2015, 12:38:37 AM
^ The difference is that the vast vast majority of Israelis (including the right-wing Likudniks) don't want to expand. Iranians do ;)

There is a plan to make Israel into a greater Israel for their Messiah to come, likewise is the case with the Iranian revolution to expand for the 12th Imam.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 12, 2015, 12:39:48 AM


There is no doubt that Iranian Rafidism has been a sword aimed at the back of the Muslim Ummah for hundreds of years.
I'm sure you are aware that there are lot of Iraqi Shias who don't want the Iranian to control them.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 12, 2015, 12:56:48 AM
^ Yes but those `Iraqi Shia don't have a voice, the ones with the voice and political backing from inside and outside `Iraq are the Rafidi fanatics in control.

You think we don't have moderate Shia here in Lebanon who disagree with Iran? But look at what happens to them when they decide to protest in front of the Iranian embassy. (They shot that anti-Iranian Shia and killed him)


(http://www.aljazeera.net/file/getcustom/7ab155d4-55af-4c28-9926-10397c75fef1/6e3b8a3c-285b-4d83-858a-075f76230349)


(http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2013/06/09/27c7dbc5-1219-4c5c-8d51-2fd890e1ac88/27c7dbc5-1219-4c5c-8d51-2fd890e1ac88_16x9_600x338.jpg)


Guess who are the filthy scum wearing black shirts and jeans following the poor guy.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 12, 2015, 01:42:57 PM
Hadrami, here a little modification to your motto:

" Iran-in, your country in ru-in"
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 12, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
Any country where Shia are not in government and are the opposition, that country is healthy and stable because Shias will not use means of violence and threatening behaviour to have their demands met and use what ever means necessary to overthrow or make the government unsuccessful. But as soon as Shias come in to authority and power the Sunni opposition will turn towards bloodshed, mayhem and murder and will not rest. They don't give a damn. This is the true story and picture. Reality and facts are clear throughout history to prove this. But my dear brothers always like to twist and turn things around and do their best to make Shias look bad as much as they can.







Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 12, 2015, 11:35:26 PM
Ameen, can you explain what happened when safawids came into rule? ( a hint: majority of population was sunni in iran back then)
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 13, 2015, 12:22:25 PM
Shia using molotov in Bahrayn:
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hadrami on March 13, 2015, 12:55:13 PM
Shia using molotov in Bahrayn:


wow, those shia tried to burn them alive not just damage their cars. Is bahrain police have really strict rule of engagement? They didnt even shoot warning shot, just tear gas gun.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 13, 2015, 01:02:43 PM
If this was the Shiite government of Syria these protesters would have been boiled in oil then force fed to their families.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 13, 2015, 11:20:37 PM
Any country where Shia are not in government and are the opposition, that country is healthy and stable because Shias will not use means of violence and threatening behaviour to have their demands met and use what ever means necessary to overthrow or make the government unsuccessful. But as soon as Shias come in to authority and power the Sunni opposition will turn towards bloodshed, mayhem and murder and will not rest. They don't give a damn. This is the true story and picture. Reality and facts are clear throughout history to prove this. But my dear brothers always like to twist and turn things around and do their best to make Shias look bad as much as they can.
That's very similar to the history of the Yahood in Germany. They were very peaceful, but as soon as they started getting financially stronger the gentiles began to attack them. Likewise, the same case is with the Qadianis. They were very peaceful people in Pakistan. As soon as they started getting stronger they got themselves under pressure.








Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 14, 2015, 11:48:49 AM
Ameen, can you explain what happened when safawids came into rule? ( a hint: majority of population was sunni in iran back then)

Well it's obvious that the Safawids were not Sunni so they automatically would and must have been cruel and bad. If there were Sunnis then we would be praising them and blaming the opposition and or public for everything. Well this is exactly how you think!




Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 14, 2015, 11:54:00 AM
Any country where Shia are not in government and are the opposition, that country is healthy and stable because Shias will not use means of violence and threatening behaviour to have their demands met and use what ever means necessary to overthrow or make the government unsuccessful. But as soon as Shias come in to authority and power the Sunni opposition will turn towards bloodshed, mayhem and murder and will not rest. They don't give a damn. This is the true story and picture. Reality and facts are clear throughout history to prove this. But my dear brothers always like to twist and turn things around and do their best to make Shias look bad as much as they can.
That's very similar to the history of the Yahood in Germany. They were very peaceful, but as soon as they started getting financially stronger the gentiles began to attack them. Likewise, the same case is with the Qadianis. They were very peaceful people in Pakistan. As soon as they started getting stronger they got themselves under pressure.










Well subhanallah, if this is how you think then this also fits in and suits the Muslims. Take a look at the Muslim history.

Secondly why would Shias wait to get stronger??? Why not use the same method and tactics as I.S.I.S, Taliban, Sipa e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jagvi etc???





Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 14, 2015, 01:08:12 PM
You think those groups have methods and tactics? They're a bunch of unrefined savage fools.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: sameer on March 14, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
Any country where Shia are not in government and are the opposition, that country is healthy and stable because Shias will not use means of violence and threatening behaviour to have their demands met and use what ever means necessary to overthrow or make the government unsuccessful. But as soon as Shias come in to authority and power the Sunni opposition will turn towards bloodshed, mayhem and murder and will not rest. They don't give a damn. This is the true story and picture. Reality and facts are clear throughout history to prove this. But my dear brothers always like to twist and turn things around and do their best to make Shias look bad as much as they can.

you are absolutely presenting wrong pictures of your rafidha brothers, i am from pakistan and i can bet you the rafidha are very very powerful in every aspect of life, they hold all the major posts especially in arm forces, nd all govt institutions and never hesitate using their authority against sunnis, especially in muharram when the jaloos are observed on 10th of muharam but the rafidha in our area (who are nt more than 1k in population), do matams twice in this month just to show off their power by blocking all the street and roads with barriers nd containers, nd surprisingly this all happens not with the govt orders but with the help of their arm rafidhi brigadiers who always support thm in any case..
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 14, 2015, 05:31:57 PM
Pakistan will regret offering Rafidah positions in the armed forces, they'll literally occupy you guys very soon.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: sameer on March 15, 2015, 04:52:07 AM

Secondly why would Shias wait to get stronger??? Why not use the same method and tactics as I.S.I.S, Taliban, Sipa e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jagvi etc???


dont paint all with same brush.. lashkar e jangvi is a terrorist as like sipa e muhammad (rafidha terrorist party) and both are banned but sipa e sahaba is a political and has nothing to do with lashker e jhangvi , it takes participate in general election as other rafidha parties do.. and 2ndly you have to make difference b/w pakistani taliban (TTP) which are involved in suicide bombings but on the other hand afghanistani taliban are fighting against US and NATO arm forces for the sake of their country.. 
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 15, 2015, 05:06:44 AM

Well subhanallah, if this is how you think then this also fits in and suits the Muslims. Take a look at the Muslim history.
All I am saying is due to the hostiles committed against the 12ers, the 12er in response have taken advance of that and also adopted some radical views. Views such as all 12ers are momin even if they sin, but  all non-12ers are not momin no matter how good they are.

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Secondly why would Shias wait to get stronger???
In Pakistan 12ers have high positions in the media, government sects, land ownership, business etc. As far as I can see most are well educated, and have good paying jobs.

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Why not use the same method and tactics as I.S.I.S, Taliban, Sipa e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jagvi etc???
Not sure. I am not from Pakistan. As for ISIS its the 12er Shia Iraqi military who fled from them.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 15, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
A twelver told me that one who sins openly isn't a mumin.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 15, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
A twelver told me that one who sins openly isn't a mumin.
According to the theology of Shaykh Mufid and Sharif Murtaza they are still momins but not complete momins.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: sameer on March 15, 2015, 06:28:19 PM
According to the theology of Shaykh Mufid and Sharif Murtaza they are still momins but not complete momins.
not complete means an half momin which is not possible according to the definition of shia momin..in other words, both mufid and murtaza declaring thm nasibis while hiding themselves under "taqiya"..
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 16, 2015, 12:09:05 AM
Still they consider a sinful 12er to be higher in status than a pious Sunni. As for Sunni the 12ers say no matter what they do they can never become momins.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 16, 2015, 12:23:01 AM
The same twelver told me that a sunni who never heard of imamate, can enter heaven.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Taha on March 16, 2015, 01:03:23 AM
^ Only if they are of legitimate birth.

I was told that a bastard shouldn't bother converting to Islam because they won't go to heaven no matter what. Their parents' sin is punished on them.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hadrami on March 16, 2015, 07:25:28 AM
^ Only if they are of legitimate birth.

I was told that a bastard shouldn't bother converting to Islam because they won't go to heaven no matter what. Their parents' sin is punished on them.

there is a narration where imam said non shia were born as bastards. It has something to do with syaitan playing with their backside. That was such an awful narration. Knowing how stuffed up shiaism is, I won't be surprised if shia consider that hadith authentic.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 16, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
We are going off topic, but oh God WHAT AMI READING HERE?

Shiites just mess up everything, they even messed up in fabricating hadiths which should sound reasonable.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 16, 2015, 05:06:28 PM
Any country where Shia are not in government and are the opposition, that country is healthy and stable because Shias will not use means of violence and threatening behaviour to have their demands met and use what ever means necessary to overthrow or make the government unsuccessful. But as soon as Shias come in to authority and power the Sunni opposition will turn towards bloodshed, mayhem and murder and will not rest. They don't give a damn. This is the true story and picture. Reality and facts are clear throughout history to prove this. But my dear brothers always like to twist and turn things around and do their best to make Shias look bad as much as they can.

you are absolutely presenting wrong pictures of your rafidha brothers, i am from pakistan and i can bet you the rafidha are very very powerful in every aspect of life, they hold all the major posts especially in arm forces, nd all govt institutions and never hesitate using their authority against sunnis, especially in muharram when the jaloos are observed on 10th of muharam but the rafidha in our area (who are nt more than 1k in population), do matams twice in this month just to show off their power by blocking all the street and roads with barriers nd containers, nd surprisingly this all happens not with the govt orders but with the help of their arm rafidhi brigadiers who always support thm in any case..

You are absolutely right. But they do not misuse their authority and power. They do not use means of violence and threatening behaviour, to be heard or to have their demands met. They belive in collective interest and will not say or do anything to harm Muslims or damage the good name of Islam.

They make individual and personal sacrifices to keep and maintain unity. Otherwise retaliation and revenge is nothing difficult for them. It's right in front of you. Their Marje e Taqleed constantly call for patience and tolerance and keep the situation calm and stop it from escalating. Lets all pray and hope they don't get fed up and lose their patience. Otherwise all hell will break loose.













Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 16, 2015, 11:36:03 PM
The same twelver told me that a sunni who never heard of imamate, can enter heaven.
Then what about the ahadith they use about dying from jahliyah for not recognizing the 12th Imam ?
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Rationalist on March 16, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
^ Only if they are of legitimate birth.

I was told that a bastard shouldn't bother converting to Islam because they won't go to heaven no matter what. Their parents' sin is punished on them.
But being born out of a pleasure based Muta is okay ?
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Furkan on March 17, 2015, 12:11:50 AM
He said it's bcuz those sunnis can't be taken responsible since they never heard of the shiite concept of imamate.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: MissyB786 on March 18, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
what people think of Erdogan? Dunno if I should make a separate thread for him. but he seems like he is doing good things for their country.
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 19, 2015, 01:30:52 PM
The same twelver told me that a sunni who never heard of imamate, can enter heaven.
Then what about the ahadith they use about dying from jahliyah for not recognizing the 12th Imam ?

What about the Hadith they use??? Excuse me??? What about the Hadith??? What is your point??? Such Hadith doesn't exist or is weak??? What are you on about???
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Ameen on March 19, 2015, 01:33:22 PM
So brother Hani, aren't people going off topic here talking about mutah, bastards, Shia Imamath etc??? Where are you bro and what's keeping you????
Title: Re: `Iraq was great before the Shia government
Post by: Hani on March 19, 2015, 01:49:29 PM
Okay, seems like a useless off-topic discussion to me, thread locked.