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Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« on: December 28, 2014, 12:02:58 AM »
اسلام علیکم

Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" or "Fara'id al-Samtain" or "Faraid al-Simtayn" a Sunni book?

I will just post the cover of the book on this thread but you can read this article on gift2shias.com that proves in detail that this book and the author belong to the Shia not Sunnis.




This cover even has the name of the Muhaqiq (researcher) of the book



As you can see it is written on the cover:

مؤسّسة المحمودي للطباعة والنشر بيروت ـ لبنان

حقّقه وعلّق عليه وتصدّى لنشره الشيخ محمّد باقر المحمودي


al-Mahmoudi printing and publishing house/institute - this is a Shia publishing house

Muhaqiq (researcher) of the book is Shia scholar Shaykh Muhammad Baqir Mahmoudi (the publishing house is named after him)

And this is 'Shaykh Muhammad Baqir Mahmoudi' responsible for the publishing of the book.

« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 12:06:01 AM by AbuMuslimKhorasani »
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میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 11:31:48 PM »
No Akhi it's not. I know that all Rafidi scholars who have ever mentioned it claim so, but then Imam al-Shafi'i said about the Rafidah Shias what he said (read my signature).

Anyway It is unbelievable how they try to take the whole world, including their own followers as fools. Probably in the past when they used to lie through their teeth they would have never imagined that a Shi'i gets his hand on a copy of that book or that Sunnis (the masses) will have access to all these books. As for today, I guess their Ayatullats in Qom know very well that their blind following sheep (including many scholars) do not even know Arabic, hence they can keep repeating that lie. In any case, the easiest way to refute their claim that this Rafidi-to-the-bone-book is a Sunni book is by starting off with the following points:

ولا : هناك عدة علماء يشتركون في لقب (الجويني) و هم : موسى بن العباس الجويني (323 هـ) الملقب بشيخ الإسلام، عبد الله بن يوسف بن عبد الله (438 هـ)، عبد الملك بن عبد الله بن يوسف الجويني (478 هـ) الملقب بإمام الحرمين، إبراهيم بن محمد الجويني (730 هـ) وهو صاحب فرائد السمطين، ذكرت الفرق بين العلماء حتى لا يُكذب على أهل السنة و الجماعة.

1.

There are many Al-Juwaini's amongst the scholars in Islamic history. Let me list them:

- Abu Imran Musa Ibn al-Abbas al-Juwaini al-Khorassani (author of the book Musnad al-Sahih), known as Shaikh al-Islam (323 h). A great scholar, praised by al-Dhahabi in his Siyar.

- The Shaikh of the Shafi'is, Abu Muhammad Abdullah Ibn Yusuf Ibn Abdullah al-Juwaini (438 h). A great scholar, praised by al-Dhahabi in his Siyar.

- The Faqih of the Shafi'is, Abdal-Malik Ibn Abdullah Yusuf al-Juwaini, known as the Imam of the Haramain (478 h), from Nishabur, in today's Khorassan province of Iran. A great Shafi'i Faqih and Muhaddith, never been accused of lies or fabrications.

- Another Al-Juwaini with the title Imam al-Haramain, the great Imam and Faqih of the Shafi'is, Abu al-Mu'ali Abdal-Malik Ibn al-Imam Abi Muhammad Abdallah Ibn Yusuf [...] al-Juwaini (478 h), from Nishabur as well. A great scholar, praised by al-Dhahabi in his Siyar.

So there are four great Shafi'i Khorassani scholars with the same title (al-Juwaini):

323 هـ موسى بن العباس الجويني الملقب بشيخ الإسلام
438 هـ عبد الله بن يوسف بن عبد الله
478 هـ عبد الملك بن عبد الله بن يوسف الجويني الملقب بإمام الحرمين
722 هـ إبراهيم بن محمد الجويني

None of them have anything to do with the book of fabrications "Fara'id al-Samtain", again this is important to know since Rafidi scholars often (in fact always, whenever they mention that book), take the title and praises of other scholars for the OTHER Juwaini's to refer to their Rafidi version which is:

 Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad al-Hamawi al-Juwaini (730 h) ad this is the author of the book 'Fara'id al-Simtaim, know the difference between the scholars so the Rafidah can't fool the Muslims.

2.

So the author is Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad, yet the Rafidah scholars often try to make him bigger than he is by giving him the titles and virtues of the OTHER al-Juwaini's (such as the one known as SHAIKH al-Islam or the other one known as the IMAM of the two Harams i.e. Makkah and Madinah). As for Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad, the author of the book full of fabrications called Farai'd al-Samtain, then this person was rebuked by the biggest Sunni scholars ever for collecting and using as proofs and evidences a bunch of fabricated narrations as Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad did. Look what Imam al-Dhahabi says to this person whom the Rafidah call a 'great Sunni scholar':


والإمام الذهبي يقول : شيخ خراسان كان حاطب ليل - يعني في رواية الحديث - جمع أحاديث ثنائيات وثلاثيات ورباعيات من الأباطيل المكذوبة [الأعلام لخير الدين الزركلي الجزء1 صفحة63]

"He (Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad al-Hamawi al-Juwaini) didn't care what he carries (of narrations) and from whom (a Hatib al-Lail, a very harsh form of critic against a person/narrator). All he did was to collect a bunch of fabricated lies." source: [الأعلام لخير الدين الزركلي الجزء1 صفحة63]

Now this is the great 'Sunni' scholar and his 'great' Sunni school the Rafidah use! As usual they (the Rafidah) are attracted to fabrications.

More to come in sha Allah ...

(btw: Kamal al-Haidari the liar also claimed that this is a Sunni scholar and Sunni book, wallah they have no shame:  http://www.alrad.net/hiwar/hydary/20.htm )

Another thing bro: If you see that the Rafidi champion a book and their scholars even writing a tahqiq (in favour) on a book, then rest assure that it can be anything but Sunni, or have you ever seen them writing a positive tahqiq on Minhaj al-Sunnah or the book of Imam by the great Iranian Sunni sholar al-Isfahani who destroyed the core of Shiism (Imamah)?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 11:48:44 PM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

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Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 11:52:14 PM »

Great Post!

جزاک الله خیر

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 12:14:53 AM »
3.

The Imamite Twelver Aqidah of the author of the book "Farai'd al-Samtain". All you need to do is to open his book "Farai'd al-Samtain" to realise that he is a Twelver (but since the Rafidi scholars, especially in the past didn't expect people to do that, they simply tried to sell him off as a great Sunni scholar!):

- Rafidi Juwaini believes in the Infallibility of all the twelve Imams of the Ahl al-Bait that the Rafidah ascribe to themselves. We read in his "Farai'd al-Simtain, vol. 2, page 133 (look what sort of super fabrication he uses):



 الجويني يعتقد عصمة الإثنى عشر [فرائد السمطين ج2 ص133]
عن عبد الله بن عباس قال : سمعت رسول الله (صلّى الله عليه وسلّم) يقول : أنا وعليّ والحسن والحسين وتسعة من ولد الحسين مطهّرون معصومون

On the authority of Ibn Abbas who said that he heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) saying: "I and Ali and al-Hassan and al-Hussein and nine from the descendants of al-Hussein are purified and infallible ..."


- Rafidi Juwaini believes that the 12 Imams are the direct and only legitimate successor of the Prophet (a belief that not even Zaidi Shias share, let alone the Sunnah!). We read in his "Farai'd al-Simtain, vol. 2, page 136 (look what sort of super fabrication he uses now, no wonder that the Muhaddithin called him a collector of lies and fabrications):



 الجويني يعتقد بالوصية الإثنى عشر [فرائد السمطين ج2 ص136 الباب الثاني والثلاثون]

في حديث اللوح الذي كتب الله فيه أو أمر بعض كرام الكاتبين بأن يكتب فيه أسماء أوصياء رسول الله (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) ثمّ أهداه إلى نبيّه فأهداه النبيُّ (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) إلى أُمّ الأوصياء فاطمة (صلوات الله عليها)

"In the hadith of al-Lawh (al-Mahfoodh, the Preserved Tablet) where Allah wrote or ordered some of the great writers to write down the names of the successors of the Messenger of Allah (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him and his family). Then he (Allah) gave it (the tablet) as a gift to the Prophet and he gave it as a gift to Fatimah (Allah's peace be upon her)."


- Rafidi Juwaini's teachers are notorious Rafidis, amongst them are:

-- Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, the Rafidi and enemy of the Ahl al-Sunnah.

--Jalal al-Din Abdul-Hamid. Another notorious enemy of the Ahl al-Sunnah, he is known for his book "al-Hujjah al-Gha'ib al-Muntadhar" (a book in defense of the useless non existing Rafidi Mahdi)

-- Ibn al-Mutahhar (al-Mudannis) al-Hilli. The Rafidi who got destroyed by Shaikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah in his "Minhaj al-Sunnah".


Is there any doubt left about the Rafidi nature of Ibrahim Ibn Muhammad al-Hamawi al-Juwaini (730 h)? Certainly not, not for a truth-seeker and a person of justice.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2014, 12:52:17 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 12:22:19 AM »
Brother Abu Muslim and respected readers. Now that you know the reality about the Rafidi Juwaini (and how the likes of Kamal al-Haidari and the Ayatullat in the opening post shamelessly claim that he was a Sunni!), let me show you what it means when Shia say they can prove that we have to follow 12 SPECIFIC individuals as per the words of some "Sunni scholars" themselves:



« Last Edit: December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 12:30:19 AM »
The irony is that one Rafidi in that crapchat thread said:

Quote
But brother Islam History, when it comes to the Sahaba, especially the first three Khulafaa, anything (narrations, hadiths or sayings) regarding them will be accepted without any hesitation, suspicion, objection or doubt. Even things that don't even make sense, will be accepted.


Wallahi they are shameless liars and jahils on top of it. The Ahl al-Sunnah have written whole BOOKS where they included FABRICATED narrations in praise of Abu Bakr, Omar etc. same with fabricated narrations (that the Rafidah love) in praise of the Ahl al-Bait. The truth is that it is the Rafidah who desperately use everything possible to champion their man made beliefs, even fabricated narrations, even liar to their own people by turning Rafidi scholars into Sunnis!

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hadrami

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2014, 07:22:50 AM »
I find TheIslamHistory's comment is hilarious.

Quote
Also Ahlul-Sunnah have many Different Opinions On Who are the Twelve Imams, and that is why when you ask them, Their Answer is Either Nothing or Invalid

I have few points for him to ponder
- knowing the identity of all those 12 is Shia belief, not Sunni, so it doesnt matter if Sunni don't know all of them.

- actually sunni did much much better than Shia, because all of us agree on the first 4, while Shia only agree on the first imam and then divided afterwards. So much for imam being clearly mentioned eh?

- shia belief in different number of imam and not to mention those shia who up until this day still have living imam among them, not stopped at 12th who they believe hiding because he was afraid of being killed.

- even followers of his 11th imam were divided into 14 different groups after his death and each with different beliefs. Only 4 out of those 14 believe hasan askari had a son. Even from those 4, they are divided whether the 12th is gaib or died, or born before or after his death etc.

In the end, just like his make believe 12th imam, he dreams about Shia being all united in 1 voice. So much about the nick TheIslamHistory when he doesn't know anything about his own history.

Farid

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2014, 01:04:25 AM »
Good posts brothers Ebn Hussein and Hadrami.

Hani

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2014, 01:31:22 AM »
I like how he calls it "Ya Nabi al-Muwaddah" when it's "Yanaabee`-ul-Mawaddah"...
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2014, 07:07:48 AM »
I like how he calls it "Ya Nabi al-Muwaddah" when it's "Yanaabee`-ul-Mawaddah"...

The title on the front cover is too small  hahaha

Normal people read the title of the book before reading the content, but then again 12ers shia is not normal

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2014, 01:31:42 PM »
@Farid and Abu Muslim

و اياكما

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Husayn

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2014, 03:52:11 PM »
Are there any examples of major Sunni scholars falsely claiming that a Sunni book is actually Shii and using it for proof?
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Hani

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2014, 04:15:32 PM »
Are there any examples of major Sunni scholars falsely claiming that a Sunni book is actually Shii and using it for proof?


Good question, I actually can't think of any case. While the vast majority of Sunni scholars don't know much about Shia beliefs, and those who do know are split into two groups, those who know very basic arguments and haven't researched thoroughly and they are the majority and those who do have in depth knowledge, yet I haven't seen either team quote a non-Shia book and attribute it to Shia.


Mostly what Muslims quote against Imamiyyah are Nahj-ul-Balaghah and al-Kafi.


I myself rarely ever quote Shia narrations, I always rely on Sunni narrations to debate Imamiyyah because everyone knows their books are illegitimate and nobody ever refers to them except their own small sect. As for the rest of the nation such as Ashaab-ul-Ra'iy, Ashaab-ul-Hadith, Ahlul-Fiqh, al-Mu`tazillah wa Ahlul-Kalaam, al-Khawarij, al-Zuhhad wal-Mutasawwifah, al-Zaydiyyah etc... and all subgroups adopt the books Sunnah.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 04:18:48 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2014, 10:54:53 PM »
Their great donkey Ayatullah al-Haidari repeating the same claim i.e. that "Faraid al-Samtain" is a "great Sunni book by a great Sunni scholar":

You see my fellow brothers in Tawhid and my fellow Rafidah in shirk? The Rafidah scholars are die hard liars, 5 star liars, in the 21st century right infront of the camera they lie and play the hero by putting a dozen of books on their tablet, yet it's nothing but recycled lies. I could understand that their wretched forefathers used to lie through their teeth, since how could they ever guess that one day the Internet will expose all their dirty books, but how can somebody be as stupid or actually wretched to lie in the age of satellite TV, internet/social media etc.? Imagine how much they must have been lied in the past! Anyway, the Rafidi deen will be destroyed eventually, only the fools will stick to it, as for the Shias with brains and sincerity, how can they not feel betrayed by these charlatans?

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hadrami

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2014, 02:04:49 AM »
bro, its possible though that shia just don't know. I wont say that about their devious scholars, but youd be surprised on how clueless the average shia Ive come across when it comes to their own BASIC belief & history. So for them not knowing the identity of who wrote this or that book is expected. Im surprised on how ignorant even their activists are. They are only "experts" in politics, even that knowledge are full of poo :D

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2014, 02:14:40 AM »
I know bro, their laymen are sheep, I've experienced it many times. However the internet will break all their backs, slowly but steadily.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2014, 02:22:06 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hadrami

Re: Is "Fara'id al-Samtayn" a Sunni book?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2014, 11:09:42 AM »
I know bro, their laymen are sheep, I've experienced it many times. However the internet will break all their backs, slowly but steadily.
when they didn't know they're sheep, once they are given proofs about their ulama's beliefs but then say its wahabi/zionist/nasibi fitna, thats when they turned to donkeys. Hard headed donkeys. I heard ayatulah asked high speed internet for video streaming to be banned in Iran, is that true?

 

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