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Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes

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iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2020, 12:48:57 PM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi&ved=2ahUKEwiF14qD5YLnAhXWRBUIHTFKApQQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3RpRHNVlSiVFDu-wWQJcU4

So now we know and learn about the protests in Iran and who's behind them. It's the same members and loyalists of the terror group MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And what are the western diplomats doing associating and engaging with them. So now we know why Iran is behaving in such a way.

Adil

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2020, 12:57:29 PM »
Can Ice man be given a warning please? Dude just posted the same post on 5-6 threads. Hes just spamming for lols.

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2020, 01:07:10 PM »
Can Ice man be given a warning please? Dude just posted the same post on 5-6 threads. Hes just spamming for lols.

I just want people to get to know and learn about the facts. That's all. You seem very worried and concerned. People read different threads and sometimes not others. Is the truth hurting you.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2020, 01:08:51 PM by iceman »

Adil

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2020, 01:09:58 PM »
I just want people to get to know and learn about the facts. That's all. You seem very worried and concerned. People read different threads and and sometimes not others. Is the truth hurting you.

Then make a brand new thread and share what you want us to know. Don't spam several threads with the same copy pasted link and text.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2020, 01:11:11 PM by Adil »

Mythbuster1

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2020, 01:14:14 PM »
Then make a brand new thread and share what you want us to know. Don't spam several threads with the same copy pasted link and text.

He is a kid he has to have the last say even if it’s nonsense just look at the history of his posts he will NEVER open a thread instead he loves to troll on other threads and then he sidetracks when confronted.......this guy ain’t genuine just a biased shia troll.

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2020, 01:14:23 PM »
Then make a brand new thread and share what you want us to know. Don't spam several threads with the same copy pasted link and text.

You seem extremely worried. Oh, and the Americans say "we don't want regime change in Iran" 😊 DOUBLE STANDARDS. Don't worry, I'll start a separate thread from now on. Relax.

Khaled

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2020, 04:36:18 PM »
You seem extremely worried. Oh, and the Americans say "we don't want regime change in Iran" 😊 DOUBLE STANDARDS. Don't worry, I'll start a separate thread from now on. Relax.

Yes we are all extremely worried that you are spamming links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website that, had it criticized Iran, you would not accept.  DOUBLE STANDARDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/journalists-quit-iranian-state-broadcaster-over-crash-cover-up

Here is an article from today, what do you think about its contents?  Or are you going to claim this is western propaganda?  LOL
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Mythbuster1

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2020, 05:47:31 PM »
Yes we are all extremely worried that you are spamming links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website that, had it criticized Iran, you would not accept.  DOUBLE STANDARDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/journalists-quit-iranian-state-broadcaster-over-crash-cover-up

Here is an article from today, what do you think about its contents?  Or are you going to claim this is western propaganda?  LOL

NO far from it, he will claim you are anti shia/Iran and all your kind (me included) do is dig dirt on Iran but you wouldnt do it if it was a Sunni country.

He has nothing else bro he is firing on empty cylinders.

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2020, 09:16:06 PM »
Yes we are all extremely worried that you are spamming links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website that, had it criticized Iran, you would not accept.  DOUBLE STANDARDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/journalists-quit-iranian-state-broadcaster-over-crash-cover-up

Here is an article from today, what do you think about its contents?  Or are you going to claim this is western propaganda?  LOL

"Yes we are all extremely worried that you are spamming links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website"

If that's the case "anyone can read from a website" Then why do you and others put links forward from website? Can't anyone read them without you posting them? You're showing and focusing on one side of the coin. I'm just showing the other side.

"had it criticized Iran, you would not accept.  DOUBLE STANDARDS"

If this was a Sunni governed country YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BOTHER? Double standards as well.

"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/journalists-quit-iranian-state-broadcaster-over-crash-cover-up"

There wasn't and neither there is any cover up. People were throwing accusations around based on assumptions before the dust has even settled. You wait till an investigation takes place and accept the result when it is completed. And that is what Iran did and asked for. And that is to stop throwing accusations around based on assumptions and let the experts complete the investigation.

"Here is an article from today, what do you think about its contents?  Or are you going to claim this is western propaganda?  LOL"

😊 Propaganda is common just as you lot are doing. I'll look into it and will let you know. Wouldn't be surprised if it is propaganda. It usually and most likely is when it comes to Shiaism, Shias and Iran 😊

Khaled

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2020, 09:34:19 PM »
"Yes we are all extremely worried that you are spamming links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website"

If that's the case "anyone can read from a website" Then why do you and others put links forward from website? Can't anyone read them without you posting them? You're showing and focusing on one side of the coin. I'm just showing the other side.

1) This is a website criticizing Shi'as, therefore, its focus will be on criticizing Shi'as.
2) I put those links to show, that you will post links from a website like the Guardian when it fits your agenda, but when presented when links criticizing Iran from the same website you just relied on you will ignore it and act like its all propaganda.

Which you, of course, did.  I am not very smart at all, you are just very.... sigh

"had it criticized Iran, you would not accept.  DOUBLE STANDARDS"

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If this was a Sunni governed country YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BOTHER? Double standards as well.

Here are some articles of horrible things the Saudi government is doing:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/dec/24/un-special-rapporteur-condemns-jamal-khashoggi-verdict-as-whitewash-video

Look, I was going to go through all the articles and post links, but you are insincere, so I'm just going to do you one better:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/saudiarabia

I agree with all the criticisms found on that site unless they explicitly go against Islam.  Everything there criticizing Saudi is true, and in fact, is probably toned down.

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There wasn't and neither there is any cover up. People were throwing accusations around based on assumptions before the dust has even settled. You wait till an investigation takes place and accept the result when it is completed. And that is what Iran did and asked for. And that is to stop throwing accusations around based on assumptions and let the experts complete the investigation.

"Here is an article from today, what do you think about its contents?  Or are you going to claim this is western propaganda?  LOL"

😊 Propaganda is common just as you lot are doing. I'll look into it and will let you know. Wouldn't be surprised if it is propaganda. It usually and most likely is when it comes to Shiaism, Shias and Iran 😊

I hope you rethink these things you are writing, because they can't possibly any further from the truth.  Saudi Arabia and the UAE are more significantly more evil than Iran.  How can you possibly accuse me of bias now??
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2020, 09:39:50 PM »
Condemn Soleimani on what

I think the Iranians, by painting an image of Soleimani in the arms of Imam Hussain (ra), are sending out a subtle message to their blind followers which is that questioning Soleimani is like questioning the "infallible" Imam (ra) himself.

By the way, in an even funnier move, Shia Kashmiris in India have vowed to avenge Soleimani's assassination, lol.  They could not save Kashmir from being swallowed by India but they will confront US for Soleimani's killing. 

Can't make this stuff up!

"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2020, 12:02:04 AM »
I think the Iranians, by painting an image of Soleimani in the arms of Imam Hussain (ra), are sending out a subtle message to their blind followers which is that questioning Soleimani is like questioning the "infallible" Imam (ra) himself.

By the way, in an even funnier move, Shia Kashmiris in India have vowed to avenge Soleimani's assassination, lol.  They could not save Kashmir from being swallowed by India but they will confront US for Soleimani's killing. 

Can't make this stuff up!



The fact of the matter is that neither was Soleimani known, spoken, labelled or advertised as a terrorist either by the US or you. Nothing on your site has ever been mentioned about Soleimani and what ever atrocities he committed. If there was than please do show me. After all Soleimani was a Shia and you would never have missed the opportunity of mentioning him and his atrocities. No one knew or heard of him till his assassination. Please provide any sort of evidence of him being a terrorist by him accepting responsibility for anything done or carried out just like the Taliban, Al Qaidah, ISIS, Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr Al Bahgdadi did. Judt cut the nonsense. Start talking and providing.

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2020, 01:31:12 AM »
The fact of the matter is that neither was Soleimani known, spoken, labelled or advertised as a terrorist either by the US or you. Nothing on your site has ever been mentioned about Soleimani and what ever atrocities he committed.

I will show you from the same source, The Intercept, that Soleimani was a terrorist AND that his atrocities were well known before his assassination.

"Abdul-Mahdi had wavered and nearly quit a month earlier, but in late October, Iranian Major General Qassem Suleimani, the powerful head of the elite Quds Force, an arm of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that operates with impunity throughout Iraq, intervened to bolster Abdul-Mahdi and keep him in power."

source: https://theintercept.com/2019/12/10/sanctions-iran-iraq-protests/

Two things worth noting are:

1.  The article was published on December 10, 2019, weeks before he was assassinated so he was a well-known figure even before he was assassinated.

2.  He was described as the "head of the elite Quds Force" which, according to the Department of Defense is "a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization" (source: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2049534/statement-by-the-department-of-defense/)

In the words of brother Mohammed Hijab, you're finished!
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2020, 01:59:38 AM »
I will show you from the same source, The Intercept, that Soleimani was a terrorist AND that his atrocities were well known before his assassination.

"Abdul-Mahdi had wavered and nearly quit a month earlier, but in late October, Iranian Major General Qassem Suleimani, the powerful head of the elite Quds Force, an arm of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that operates with impunity throughout Iraq, intervened to bolster Abdul-Mahdi and keep him in power."

source: https://theintercept.com/2019/12/10/sanctions-iran-iraq-protests/

Two things worth noting are:

1.  The article was published on December 10, 2019, weeks before he was assassinated so he was a well-known figure even before he was assassinated.

2.  He was described as the "head of the elite Quds Force" which, according to the Department of Defense is "a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization" (source: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2049534/statement-by-the-department-of-defense/)

In the words of brother Mohammed Hijab, you're finished!

One step at a time. Let me finish with your leaked cables first.

"In the words of brother Mohammed Hijab, you're finished"

Who is he. If he's got something to say then let him speak. Nothing to be hesitant or afraid of. Why wasn't Soleimani mentioned about who and what he was by either the United States or the United Nations. No one knows or has ever heard of him. Talk to any random person. They know and knew who Osama bin Laden, Abu Bakr Al Bahgdadi or Aiman Al Zawahiri etc were. Why not Soleimani. Very simple. Don't make it difficult and complicated for yourself. Why didn't the US mention or speak about him. Why didn't they put the information they had on what Soleimani was planning to the Congress. Why didn't they demand from the Iranian government to handover hin over for questioning or face more sanctions. That's the way to go boy. It's obvious your having severe problems in addressing this. Since you've mentioned him (Hijab) get some help from him if he's up to it and out of the corner.

""In the words of brother Mohammed Hijab, you're finished"

😅 WORDS 😅 Just words hey 😊 Finished?  I haven't even started yet.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2020, 02:03:37 AM by iceman »

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2020, 02:16:38 AM »
Why wasn't Soleimani mentioned about who and what he was by either the United States or the United Nations.

He is clearly labeled as the head of the "elite Quds Force" which has been designated a terrorist organization by Department of Defense.  The head of a terrorist organization cannot be a saint unless we go by your logic.


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They know and knew who Osama bin Laden, Abu Bakr Al Bahgdadi or Aiman Al Zawahiri etc were. Why not Soleimani.

Once again, he was KNOWN to be the head of the "elite Quds Force".  If he was not known as an important player, the US would not have taken him out.


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Why didn't the US mention or speak about him.

So, according to your logic, notoriety depends on how frequently the US talks about anyone.


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Why didn't they put the information they had on what Soleimani was planning to the Congress.

The US has designated the group he spearheaded as a "terrorist organization".  What extra information should they have put out?


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Why didn't they demand from the Iranian government to handover hin over for questioning or face more sanctions.  That's the way to go boy.

Iran does not have extradition laws with the US so how can they turn over their own citizen, the leader of their Quds Force, to the US?

Quds Force, by the way, is an arm of the IRGC which is also designated as a "terrorist organization" for which it is under sanctions.  Think top-down effect!


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I haven't even started yet.

You are absolutely right.  When you are not restricted to making factual and valid arguments, you can make endless claims.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2020, 02:18:39 AM by muslim720 »
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2020, 02:28:19 AM »
He is clearly labeled as the head of the "elite Quds Force" which has been designated a terrorist organization by Department of Defense.  The head of a terrorist organization cannot be a saint unless we go by your logic.


Once again, he was KNOWN to be the head of the "elite Quds Force".  If he was not known as an important player, the US would not have taken him out.


So, according to your logic, notoriety depends on how frequently the US talks about anyone.


The US has designated the group he spearheaded as a "terrorist organization".  What extra information should they have put out?


Iran does not have extradition laws with the US so how can they turn over their own citizen, the leader of their Quds Force, to the US?

Quds Force, by the way, is an arm of the IRGC which is also designated as a "terrorist organization" for which it is under sanctions.  Think top-down effect!


You are absolutely right.  When you are not restricted by the validity of arguments, you can make endless claims.

Is that all you've got. Is that all you can come up with. And it took you so long that you couldn't find anything then 'lets see if this works' 😊 He was a top Army General. OK he was head of the elite Quds Force. I'll answer that. You claim,

"He is clearly labeled as the head of the "elite Quds Force" which has been designated a terrorist organization by Department of Defense"

Look into the below link.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ozy.com/true-and-stories/not-so-long-ago-soleimani-and-the-u-s-worked-together-to-beat-isis/262477/&ved=2ahUKEwiPko_1n4TnAhWRQhUIHRJrAVEQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0ZyPppSqxcf9kGHxWr_qpF

Elite Quds Force declared l a terrorist organisation by America and they ran a joint operation with them, the Americans worked with this terrorist organisation to fight ISIS? 😊 Do ponder over it.


"So, according to your logic, notoriety depends on how frequently the US talks about anyone"

Nope. I've already given you prime examples of Abu Al Bahgdadi, Aiman Al Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden.

"The US has designated the group he spearheaded as a "terrorist organization".  What extra information should they have put out?"

Why wasn't it put through Congress. They weren't even told about it. What was there to hide or so secretive.

"Iran does not have extradition laws with the US so how can they turn over their own citizen, the leader of their Quds Force, to the US"

Extradition laws. OK. What extradition laws did the US have with the Afghan government when they expected Bin Laden to be extradited? 😊
« Last Edit: January 15, 2020, 02:39:53 AM by iceman »

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2020, 02:55:58 AM »
Is that all you've got. Is that all you can come up with. And it took you so long that you couldn't find anything then 'lets see if this works' 😊

Yes, honestly that is all I had and that is all I could come up with.  Still awaiting for you to deep dive into your ocean of knowledge to present us a counter-evidence, on the same level as MOIS' leaked cables, to prove that Soleimani was not guilty of those crimes.


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Elite Quds Force declared l a terrorist organisation by America and they ran a joint operation with them, the Americans worked with this terrorist organisation to fight ISIS? 😊 Do ponder over it.

It is possible if we accept the Iranian narrative which said that the US was furious with, and killed, Soleimani because he stopped ISIS in the Middle East thereby hinting at a link between US and ISIS.  So if the US, as per Iranian assertions, can be aligned with ISIS (a terrorist organization), it is possible for them to also align with Quds Force, another terrorist organization.

By the way, I tip my hat for your choice of source, OZY which itself claims to be a "is a premium media and entertainment company that introduces the global Change Generation to cutting-edge storytelling".


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Why wasn't it put through Congress. They weren't even told about it. What was there to hide or so secretive.

What was not put through Congress?  The IRGC and its arm, Quds Force, are terrorist organizations and they are clearly labeled as such on the website of Department of Defense.


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Extradition laws. OK. What extradition laws did the US have with the Afghan government when they expected Bin Laden to be extradited? 😊

Are you now supporting the Taliban?  Other than that, I don't see why you would bring up an irrelevant point.  Oh maybe because you wish to derail the discussion.

So, any evidence on the same level as the leaked cables of MOIS which shows that Soleimani was innocent?
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2020, 04:53:25 AM »
Yes, honestly that is all I had and that is all I could come up with.  Still awaiting for you to deep dive into your ocean of knowledge to present us a counter-evidence, on the same level as MOIS' leaked cables, to prove that Soleimani was not guilty of those crimes.


It is possible if we accept the Iranian narrative which said that the US was furious with, and killed, Soleimani because he stopped ISIS in the Middle East thereby hinting at a link between US and ISIS.  So if the US, as per Iranian assertions, can be aligned with ISIS (a terrorist organization), it is possible for them to also align with Quds Force, another terrorist organization.

By the way, I tip my hat for your choice of source, OZY which itself claims to be a "is a premium media and entertainment company that introduces the global Change Generation to cutting-edge storytelling".


What was not put through Congress?  The IRGC and its arm, Quds Force, are terrorist organizations and they are clearly labeled as such on the website of Department of Defense.


Are you now supporting the Taliban?  Other than that, I don't see why you would bring up an irrelevant point.  Oh maybe because you wish to derail the discussion.

So, any evidence on the same level as the leaked cables of MOIS which shows that Soleimani was innocent?

"Yes, honestly that is all I had and that is all I could come up with.  Still awaiting for you to deep dive into your ocean of knowledge to present us a counter-evidence, on the same level as MOIS' leaked cables, to prove that Soleimani was not guilty of those crimes"

You are innocent until proven guilty. And if there is enough evidence that you seem guilty then there is a procedure based on international law which you follow and abide by. You don't go killing people at random and then mention and discuss their crime.

"It is possible if we accept the Iranian narrative which said that the US was furious with, and killed, Soleimani because he stopped ISIS in the Middle East thereby hinting at a link between US and ISIS.  So if the US, as per Iranian assertions can be aligned with ISIS (a terrorist organization), it is possible for them to also align with Quds Force, another terrorist organization"

So basically there is no law, principles and rules to go by. You just make them up as you go along. Well this also gives the Iranians a freehand. What's fine and suitable for others is fine and suitable for Iran. What's ok for you is ok for me.

"By the way, I tip my hat for your choice of source, OZY which itself claims to be a "is a premium media and entertainment company that introduces the global Change Generation to cutting-edge storytelling".

It's not about choice of source but about facts. You're hell-bent in proving your desire. I'm hell-bent in putting facts forward.

"What was not put through Congress?  The IRGC and its arm, Quds Force, are terrorist organizations and they are clearly labeled as such on the website of Department of Defense"

We're going in circles here. The police don't go and kill someone. Then start looking for evidence and gather it. They monitor them and then if they have sufficient evidence they arrest them. They gather the evidence and forward it to the courts. There's such thing as international law. But not for the Americans. And you.  😊

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2020, 05:31:00 AM »
Yes, honestly that is all I had and that is all I could come up with.  Still awaiting for you to deep dive into your ocean of knowledge to present us a counter-evidence, on the same level as MOIS' leaked cables, to prove that Soleimani was not guilty of those crimes.


It is possible if we accept the Iranian narrative which said that the US was furious with, and killed, Soleimani because he stopped ISIS in the Middle East thereby hinting at a link between US and ISIS.  So if the US, as per Iranian assertions, can be aligned with ISIS (a terrorist organization), it is possible for them to also align with Quds Force, another terrorist organization.

By the way, I tip my hat for your choice of source, OZY which itself claims to be a "is a premium media and entertainment company that introduces the global Change Generation to cutting-edge storytelling".


What was not put through Congress?  The IRGC and its arm, Quds Force, are terrorist organizations and they are clearly labeled as such on the website of Department of Defense.


Are you now supporting the Taliban?  Other than that, I don't see why you would bring up an irrelevant point.  Oh maybe because you wish to derail the discussion.

So, any evidence on the same level as the leaked cables of MOIS which shows that Soleimani was innocent?

"Are you now supporting the Taliban?  Other than that, I don't see why you would bring up an irrelevant point.  Oh maybe because you wish to derail the discussion"

Why is this an irrelevant point. Osama bin Laden was branded a terrorist. Al Qaidah took responsibility for the twin tower attacks on 9/11/01, did they not. Why did the Americans ask the Afghan government to handover him over. That is the Americans asked for his extradition. What happened here.

Over here they kill Soleimani all of a sudden and out of the blue. Then brand him a terrorist and accuse him of this that and the other. Over there the twin tower attacks happen, Alqaida takes responsibility and the Americans ask the Afghan government to handover him over for questioning and to face justice. To be put on trial. Don't know about you but I'm loving this. Care to explain this.

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2020, 08:53:56 AM »
You are innocent until proven guilty. And if there is enough evidence that you seem guilty then there is a procedure based on international law which you follow and abide by.  You don't go killing people at random and then mention and discuss their crime.

Please do not strawman my argument.  I am not saying that Soleimani's crimes justified his assassination; in fact, I believe his assassination was in violation of international law.

All I am saying is this one thing and I beseech you to pay attention to it: Iran's primary intelligence agency MOIS, not the international community, found out that Soleimani was committing crimes against Sunnis in Iraq and it (MOIS) was concerned with how that would tarnish Iran's image.  Since it was the MOIS that discovered his crimes, they were kept as a secret until the leak occurred.

The man was found guilty by his own government's intelligence agency and all I am asking you is this: do you believe Soleimani was guilty of killing Sunnis in Iraq OR do you doubt the findings and pronouncement of an agency as high-ranked as MOIS?  And if it is the latter, what is your counter evidence?


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It's not about choice of source but about facts.

Understood!  Thank you for clarifying that; only goes on to show how changing goal posts is one of the problems we have to deal with when discussing with you.


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You're hell-bent in proving your desire. I'm hell-bent in putting facts forward.

How is it my "desire"?  Does Iran's MOIS work based on my desire?  And do you seriously think that OZY is a more reputable source of facts than Iran's MOIS when it comes to Iranian affairs?


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We're going in circles here. The police don't go and kill someone. Then start looking for evidence and gather it. They monitor them and then if they have sufficient evidence they arrest them. They gather the evidence and forward it to the courts. There's such thing as international law. But not for the Americans. And you.  😊

We are going in circles because you have committed a strawman fallacy.  I am not saying that Soleimani should have been punished, or assassinated, based on the leaked spy cables.  I believe his assassination was in contradiction of international law.

What I am saying is that the man was guilty of killing Sunnis in Iraq, admitted by none other than Iran's primary intelligence agency (MOIS).  Do you agree or not?  And if you think he was not guilty, can you provide us your evidence?  Hopefully it is from an agency that can rival the MOIS in its standing in Iranian politics.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

 

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