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Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes

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muslim720

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I will highlight the main portion of the article.

"'It is mandatory and necessary to put some limits and borders on the violence being inflicted against innocent Sunni people in Iraq and the things that Mr. Suleimani is doing.  Otherwise, the violence between Shia and Sunni will continue,' the MOIS report continued.  'At the moment, whatever happens to Sunnis, directly or indirectly, is seen as having been done by Iran even when Iran has nothing to do with it.'"

Source: https://theintercept.com/2020/01/05/secret-iranian-spy-cables-show-how-qassim-suleimani-wielded-his-enormous-power-in-iraq/
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2020, 05:42:21 PM »
Before someone goes that route, The Intercept is known for being one of the least biased of the news sources and the author, Murtaza Hussain, is a Shia.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2020, 06:32:24 PM »
Before someone goes that route, The Intercept is known for being one of the least biased of the news sources and the author, Murtaza Hussain, is a Shia.

And what are you trying to say and justify here, that one should automatically believe in and accept it. It's just information. And information can be either true or false or anywhere in between. And before you go down that route this applies to anyone and anything.

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2020, 01:25:47 AM »
And what are you trying to say and justify here, that one should automatically believe in and accept it. It's just information. And information can be either true or false or anywhere in between. And before you go down that route this applies to anyone and anything.

Do you know MOIS (Ministry of Intelligence and Security) of Iran?  Also known as VAJA, previously called VEVAK, it is the primary intelligence agency of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

If you deny this sort of evidence against Soleimani, you might as well deny everything Iran says against Saudi Arabia because that too is "information" which "can be either true or false or anywhere in between".
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 12:55:05 AM »
Do you know MOIS (Ministry of Intelligence and Security) of Iran?  Also known as VAJA, previously called VEVAK, it is the primary intelligence agency of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

If you deny this sort of evidence against Soleimani, you might as well deny everything Iran says against Saudi Arabia because that too is "information" which "can be either true or false or anywhere in between".

Rejecting or accepting depends on the source of information as well as facts. But you're trying to make others believe in what you put forward. This is Iran and its Shia governed. And that's the only problem. If this was Sunni governed and it doesn't matter what they got up to, you wouldn't say a word against them. You would be hell-bent in defending and justifying them.

iceman


Khaled

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2020, 04:34:44 PM »
And that's the only problem. If this was Sunni governed and it doesn't matter what they got up to, you wouldn't say a word against them. You would be hell-bent in defending and justifying them.

LOL this has never happened, not even ONCE, on this site, and I'm speaking for ALL the members here.   :D

Everyone here is critical of ALL the governments in the Muslim world, Iran and Saudi included.  Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Or is it because, if you accept this, your whole wold view will shatter? 
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2020, 01:40:27 AM »
LOL this has never happened, not even ONCE, on this site, and I'm speaking for ALL the members here.   :D

Everyone here is critical of ALL the governments in the Muslim world, Iran and Saudi included.  Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Or is it because, if you accept this, your whole wold view will shatter?

Show me one thread that has been started on any other country or government apart from Iran based on criticism and condemnation? Who are you kidding 😊

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2020, 06:16:26 AM »
Rejecting or accepting depends on the source of information as well as facts.

The source of the information is the Ministry of Intelligence and Security, the primary intelligence agency of Iran, and the facts (which they have outlined) have been made public after the leaked cables.  And the article was published in one of the least bias media sources by way of a Shi'i journalist.

Denying this will not get you far.

 
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But you're trying to make others believe in what you put forward.

Do the following:

1.  Learn about the "Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS)" of Iran.

2.  Read the article and understand what "leaked cables" means.

Then accuse me of whatever you want AFTER you have understood Soleimani's crimes.

By the way, the leaked cables only highlight his reign of terror from 2013 - 2015.  God knows his list of crimes from 2015 until his death.


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This is Iran and its Shia governed. And that's the only problem. If this was Sunni governed and it doesn't matter what they got up to, you wouldn't say a word against them.

I am not saying anything.  I am showing you what the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security was saying about Soleimani.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2020, 06:24:35 AM »
LOL this has never happened, not even ONCE, on this site, and I'm speaking for ALL the members here.   :D

Everyone here is critical of ALL the governments in the Muslim world, Iran and Saudi included.  Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Or is it because, if you accept this, your whole wold view will shatter? 

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Believe it or not, I have spent the past three days binge-watching Adel bin Ahmed Al-Jubeir, the Saudi Minister of Foreign Affairs.

I watched his "Council on Foreign Relations" interviews from Septembers 2017, 2018 and 2019.  I must say I am amazed to not only find out that the Saudis have such an intelligent and articulate man at their disposal, but also that they (Saudis) have a narrative.

I remember visiting the Shi'i mosques in our area - two of them clearly funded by Iranian players - always highlighting Saudi "crimes".  It was customary to see flyers highlighting an upcoming protest outside the Saudi Embassy for the arrest and execution of Nimr al-Nimr, or any other such event without contextualizing it.

Now I can see why the Iranians have dominated perceptions in the Middle East because it has utilized media to its advantage (much like how Shias got into propagating Shiaism via internet much before Sunnis).

I am not a fan of him but one of Mohammed bin Salman's visions, part of Vision 2030, is to bring Saudi narrative out in the open to challenge the Iranian one.  And if that happens, the average uninformed, emotionally-charged Sunnis - those who have been duped by talks of "resistance in the Holy Land", "fighting Imperialism", "fighting Wahabism", etc (all of which keeps the region destabilized and ensures the maximum extension of Iranian proxies' tentacles in countries far beyond the region) - will all have a very different opinion on Iran in the next few years.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2020, 06:27:44 AM by muslim720 »
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2020, 11:56:52 AM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_Resistance_of_Iran&ved=2ahUKEwjf__62mYDnAhUgQxUIHXmTDGQQFjABegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw3ROLhx_NH6orKaqG2GrEug

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fas.org/irp/world/para/mek.htm&ved=2ahUKEwizk_HRm4DnAhWMVBUIHd1FBs8QFjAMegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw2_OgPzXgaHlq5TkPZbstFl

Iran has every right to deal with these terrorists. These are the organisations that have been causing unrest and killings within Iran. This is the true cause of any protests in Iran that are instigated by these terror organisations against the peaceful Iranian government. The government has every right to react towards handling these organisations which are trying to cause unrest in Iran. Don't confuse this with popular uprising.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2020, 12:11:45 PM by iceman »

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2020, 12:18:14 PM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_Resistance_of_Iran&ved=2ahUKEwjf__62mYDnAhUgQxUIHXmTDGQQFjABegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw3ROLhx_NH6orKaqG2GrEug

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fas.org/irp/world/para/mek.htm&ved=2ahUKEwizk_HRm4DnAhWMVBUIHd1FBs8QFjAMegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw2_OgPzXgaHlq5TkPZbstFl

Iran has every right to deal with these terrorists. These are the organisations that have been causing unrest and killings within Iran. This is the true cause of any protests in Iran that are instigated by these terror organisations against the peaceful Iranian government. The government has every right to react towards handling these organisations which are trying to cause unrest in Iran. Don't confuse this with popular uprising.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25523482&ved=2ahUKEwiVjfqCnoDnAhVrThUIHYxoAGwQFjAKegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3fYsn-WSg9v0b1xI7gUTVd

See what Iran and the Iranian revolution is and has been dealing with. Lets show both sides of the story. Why isn't anyone highlighting this. Qasim Soleimani was assigned to deal with these groups who have been killing Iranians around the globe as well as killing Iranians in Iran as well as trying to cause unrest in Iran.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.newsweek.com/2019/09/06/iran-regime-fall-opposition-groups-mek-1456420.html%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwi_laGtn4DnAhU4VRUIHdFhCesQFjAIegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3sgJxQdnqR086piMT6Dmi8&ampcf=1

What, Rudi Guliaini addressing a Raleigh of a terrorist group in Albania? And you're wondering about Iran's behaviour. No wonder the UK Ambassador to Tehran was arrested in Iran over such activities.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2020, 12:23:34 PM by iceman »

Mythbuster1

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2020, 03:21:15 PM »
Show me one thread that has been started on any other country or government apart from Iran based on criticism and condemnation? Who are you kidding 😊

Mr Dimwit we have CONDEMNED any Sunni country or government, YOU can and I’m sure a poster did a thread on that do the same and make a thread on Sunni countries and their atrocities, the fact that you HAVENT and instead repetitively accuse and lie of our hate for Iran cos it’s shia shows you are all hot air and full of it you have nothing.😂

Who are you kidding.....joker😂😂

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 07:37:41 PM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_Resistance_of_Iran&ved=2ahUKEwjf__62mYDnAhUgQxUIHXmTDGQQFjABegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw3ROLhx_NH6orKaqG2GrEug

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fas.org/irp/world/para/mek.htm&ved=2ahUKEwizk_HRm4DnAhWMVBUIHd1FBs8QFjAMegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw2_OgPzXgaHlq5TkPZbstFl

Iran has every right to deal with these terrorists. These are the organisations that have been causing unrest and killings within Iran. This is the true cause of any protests in Iran that are instigated by these terror organisations against the peaceful Iranian government. The government has every right to react towards handling these organisations which are trying to cause unrest in Iran. Don't confuse this with popular uprising.

What has any of this got to do with the leaked cables from MOIS?  How does any of this justify the killings of Sunnis in Iraq, a crime for which Soleimani was suggested to be reprimanded?


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See what Iran and the Iranian revolution is and has been dealing with. Lets show both sides of the story. Why isn't anyone highlighting this. Qasim Soleimani was assigned to deal with these groups who have been killing Iranians around the globe as well as killing Iranians in Iran as well as trying to cause unrest in Iran.

Soleimani, as per the MOIS of Iran, was found guilty of killing Sunnis in Iraq, not MEK members.


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What, Rudi Guliaini addressing a Raleigh of a terrorist group in Albania? And you're wondering about Iran's behaviour. No wonder the UK Ambassador to Tehran was arrested in Iran over such activities.

That still does not absolve Soleimani's crimes.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2020, 10:23:03 PM »
What has any of this got to do with the leaked cables from MOIS?  How does any of this justify the killings of Sunnis in Iraq, a crime for which Soleimani was suggested to be reprimanded?


Soleimani, as per the MOIS of Iran, was found guilty of killing Sunnis in Iraq, not MEK members.


That still does not absolve Soleimani's crimes.

When the Soviets finally left Afghanistan those who put up a united front fell apart with each other. The Taliban of pashtun origin who were part of the coalition against the Soviets turned and fought against those Afghans who were different than them. When the Taliban fought and gained control of most of Afghanistan they butchered and slaughtered the others. When they took control of Mazhar Sharif 6000 men and boys were killed in cold blood. Their crime, they were Shia. Iran did call on the United Nations and the international community that this will happen and what was going on in Afghanistan by the Taliban and what the Taliban will do if they get control but the United Nations and the international community turned a blind eye. They ignored Iran's call.

That was Afghanistan. Now Pakistan. Since the mid eighties Sipa e Sahaba emerged then followed by Lashkar e Jangvi. Brutal killings of Shias as well as moderate Sunnis and other minorities took place throughout Pakistan and is still happening. The government had no control over these groups and couldn't prevent the killings or protect the minorities. Iraq. Shia killings along with Kurds were common in Iraq during Saddam's government and after by Sunni militias and militants. Syria. The threat of ISIS emerged a Sunni militia killing Shias and moderate Sunnis along with other minorities. Yemen. The Houthis were being butchered and slaughtered at large but all this and no concern or reaction from the United Nations or the international community what so ever.

Now Iran decided to take action and do what it can to get these Shias and those moderate Sunnis to protect and defend themselves by standing up for themselves and protecting their lives and families. Because no one is going to help them or come to their aid and protect them. This is exactly where Qasim Soleimani comes in. He was purchased in place and in charge to deal with this. We need to thank Iran (Qasim Soleimani) and Hizbullah along with other Shia militias who put up a united front against ISIS and defeated this poisonous organisation.

muslim720

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2020, 10:33:27 PM »
When the Soviets finally left Afghanistan those who put up a united front fell apart with each other. The Taliban of pashtun origin who were part of the coalition against the Soviets turned and fought against those Afghans who were different than them. When the Taliban fought and gained control of most of Afghanistan they butchered and slaughtered the others. When they took control of Mazhar Sharif 6000 men and boys were killed in cold blood. Their crime, they were Shia. Iran did call on the United Nations and the international community that this will happen and what was going on in Afghanistan by the Taliban and what the Taliban will do if they get control but the United Nations and the international community turned a blind eye. They ignored Iran's call.

What does that have to do with Soleimani and the main point in this discussion?

By the way, since you talked about the crimes committed by the Taliban, guess who is warming up to them?  IRAN!


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That was Afghanistan. Now Pakistan. Since the mid eighties Sipa e Sahaba emerged then followed by Lashkar e Jangvi. Brutal killings of Shias as well as moderate Sunnis and other minorities took place throughout Pakistan and is still happening. The government had no control over these groups and couldn't prevent the killings or protect the minorities. Iraq. Shia killings along with Kurds were common in Iraq during Saddam's government and after by Sunni militias and militants. Syria. The threat of ISIS emerged a Sunni militia killing Shias and moderate Sunnis along with other minorities. Yemen. The Houthis were being butchered and slaughtered at large but all this and no concern or reaction from the United Nations or the international community what so ever.

I wholeheartedly condemn every atrocity committed upon our Shi'i brothers in the name of sectarianism by Sunnis.  You don't even need to provide me evidence; I will take your word for it.  I accept that Lashkar-E-Jangvi did what you say they did and I condemn them.

Can you also condemn Soleimani for crimes he committed against Sunnis in Iraq, as highlighted by Iran's MOIS?


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Now Iran decided to take action and do what it can to get these Shias and those moderate Sunnis to protect and defend themselves by standing up for themselves and protecting their lives and families. Because no one is going to help them or come to their aid and protect them. This is exactly where Qasim Soleimani comes in. He was purchased in place and in charge to deal with this. We need to thank Iran (Qasim Soleimani) and Hizbullah along with other Shia militias who put up a united front against ISIS and defeated this poisonous organisation.

The Taliban are also fighting ISIS from laying roots in Afghanistan.  Does that make them noble too?

Once again, what does any of this have to do with my main point?  Iran's primary intelligence says that Soleimani committed atrocities against Sunnis from 2013 - 2015.  Not considering the possibility that his atrocities continued, can you condemn him for the crimes his own country found him guilty of?
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)



iceman

Re: Leaked Archive of Iranian Spy Cables Highlight Soleimani's Crimes
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2020, 12:07:45 AM »
What does that have to do with Soleimani and the main point in this discussion?

By the way, since you talked about the crimes committed by the Taliban, guess who is warming up to them?  IRAN!


I wholeheartedly condemn every atrocity committed upon our Shi'i brothers in the name of sectarianism by Sunnis.  You don't even need to provide me evidence; I will take your word for it.  I accept that Lashkar-E-Jangvi did what you say they did and I condemn them.

Can you also condemn Soleimani for crimes he committed against Sunnis in Iraq, as highlighted by Iran's MOIS?


The Taliban are also fighting ISIS from laying roots in Afghanistan.  Does that make them noble too?

Once again, what does any of this have to do with my main point?  Iran's primary intelligence says that Soleimani committed atrocities against Sunnis from 2013 - 2015.  Not considering the possibility that his atrocities continued, can you condemn him for the crimes his own country found him guilty of?

Condemn Soleimani on what, for helping and aiding those who were oppressed (Shias as well as moderate Sunni Barelvis)  to fight against ISIS. Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Sunnis did Soleimani kill or ordered to be killed and why? How come nothing was ever said or mentioned until his assassination?

iceman

« Last Edit: January 14, 2020, 03:55:35 AM by iceman »

 

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