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iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2020, 05:16:39 PM »
You do give two monkeys about us this is why you are a member here and posting.  Look even saqifa gets you twisted it’s saqifa this saqifa that oh everything rotates around saqifa, you keep banging on about saqifa that it burns you lol, get over it the event has passed try coming with something better.......if you can.

Nothing is bothering me about a fake made up sect that has no root in Quran or sunnah, this is a site to counter Shiite lies if you didn’t know so I didn’t join here to leave it at that kid. And it’s not my fault you cannot provide clear proofs and and answers.

Oh yes Alhamdulillah He is in highest heaven and there is NOTHING you can do or say apart from cry and complain about a companion loved and respected by BILLIONS.
Only the mentally deranged have issues with The Sword of Allah swt.

As for personality worship lol you are number 1 for it we don’t add divinity to persons and use them as forms of worship like  Abdullah ibn Saba', who may have denied that Ali had died and predicting his return (rajʿa), don’t deny your real history kid.

You can defend and personally worship Nuwera the believer in a prophet after Nabi Muhammed pbuh, you can love and worship Murtad that’s your prerogative but you have nothing on Khalid ra, Alhamdulillah, it will hurt we know but truth is bitter you have to admit.

Look how twisted you are and backed into a corner your nonsense is hypocritical at best to the point you are stuck in your own stupidity........it was you who stated anyone fighting against a khaliph is a terrorist so I just turned it around to that scum and look at you.

Gotta take my hat off to your stupidity kid.👍

"You do give two monkeys about us this is why you are a member here and posting"

I'm just here dealing with your propaganda against the Shia faith and community. Your constant mischief to try and put people off the Shia faith and belief by taking bits and pieces to paint a bad picture.

"Look even saqifa gets you twisted it’s saqifa this saqifa that oh everything rotates around saqifa, you keep banging on about saqifa that it burns you lol,"

It's burned Islam and Muslims. Since Muslims (certain Companions) took the matter into their own hands at Saqifa since then onwards people have been taking matters into their own hands and trying to do what they think and assume is better and look where we are today. How bad Islam and Muslims are looked at. All because of Saqifa. And your kind trying to justify it. 😊


"get over it the event has passed try coming with something better.......if you can"

If it was an event based on public gathering according to principles based on fairness and equality to select and chose a leader to govern the Ummah then it would be accepted and gotten over with. But in reality and according to facts it was an unfortunate incident. The three Muhajir rushed off to saqifa to stop something terrible from happening. It was unfortunate, coincidental and immature. Is this how leadership is decided and how leaders are chosen. 😊 No one can run from reality or hide from facts 😊

"Nothing is bothering me about a fake made up sect that has no root in Quran or sunna"

Our faith and belief is based on and according to Qur'an and Sunnah. Allah has put someone in third in line in authority after him and his Messenger s.a.w. and in that sequence. When ever and where ever in the Qur'an Allah has mentioned and announced third in line in authority Allah has started with himself then his Messenger s.a.w followed by the announcement of third in line. And that's what we follow and believe in.

"And it’s not my fault you cannot provide clear proofs and and answers"

I've provided you with clear proofs and definite answers. But you don't have an open mind nor do you want to think rationally. You speak with a mindset. And that is to reject everything that goes against the Shaykhain and refute everything that is threatening towards them.

"it was you who stated anyone fighting against a khaliph is a terrorist"

😊 Nope. The true and exact definition of a terrorist is a person or group who aren't in authority and white use means of violence and threatening behaviour just to have their demands met. Now those who did this and took up arms against the 4th truly and rightly guided Caliph of the Muslims and the Ulul Amre of the time acording to the Ahle Sunnah how would you take them. 😊

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2020, 05:52:50 PM »
"You can defend and personally worship Nuwera the believer in a prophet after Nabi Muhammed pbuh, you can love and worship Murtad that’s your prerogative"

Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were accused of this that and the other. Where was the trial? Where was justice during Abu Bakr's Caliphate? Do you accuse someone of something or hear something about someone and take them prisoners then execute over night?😊 Is this your Caliphate system? Is this system that ISIS wanted to implement?😊

As far as Malik bin Nuwayrah is concerned go do some homework by reading your own books and you'll be amazed at what you'll find. There's mixed reports. The bottom line is facts. And here they are again, was Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men put on trial? They were accuse of this that and the other, but did they get a fair trial? A fair hearing? Nope 😊

Khalid ibn Waleed didn't want that. Because he knew what the outcome of that trial would be. Khalid bin Waleed ordered their arrest and beheaded them. He knew what he wanted. By putting someone on trial you get justice, not what you want.


"but you have nothing on Khalid ra, Alhamdulillah, it will hurt we know but truth is bitter you have to admit"

Khalid was responsible for murder. If not murder then manslaughter. Companions of the Prophet s.a.w like Abu Qatadah reported Khalid to Abu Bakr. Umar wanted Khalid to be punished for what he did. Abu Bakr summoned Khalid and questioned him. Then decided that Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were killed unlawfully. Blood money was given. Read the reports and then come out with a clear and clean statement. 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2020, 12:29:30 PM »
"You do give two monkeys about us this is why you are a member here and posting"

I'm just here dealing with your propaganda against the Shia faith and community. Your constant mischief to try and put people off the Shia faith and belief by taking bits and pieces to paint a bad picture.

"Look even saqifa gets you twisted it’s saqifa this saqifa that oh everything rotates around saqifa, you keep banging on about saqifa that it burns you lol,"

It's burned Islam and Muslims. Since Muslims (certain Companions) took the matter into their own hands at Saqifa since then onwards people have been taking matters into their own hands and trying to do what they think and assume is better and look where we are today. How bad Islam and Muslims are looked at. All because of Saqifa. And your kind trying to justify it. 😊


"get over it the event has passed try coming with something better.......if you can"

If it was an event based on public gathering according to principles based on fairness and equality to select and chose a leader to govern the Ummah then it would be accepted and gotten over with. But in reality and according to facts it was an unfortunate incident. The three Muhajir rushed off to saqifa to stop something terrible from happening. It was unfortunate, coincidental and immature. Is this how leadership is decided and how leaders are chosen. 😊 No one can run from reality or hide from facts 😊

"Nothing is bothering me about a fake made up sect that has no root in Quran or sunna"

Our faith and belief is based on and according to Qur'an and Sunnah. Allah has put someone in third in line in authority after him and his Messenger s.a.w. and in that sequence. When ever and where ever in the Qur'an Allah has mentioned and announced third in line in authority Allah has started with himself then his Messenger s.a.w followed by the announcement of third in line. And that's what we follow and believe in.

"And it’s not my fault you cannot provide clear proofs and and answers"

I've provided you with clear proofs and definite answers. But you don't have an open mind nor do you want to think rationally. You speak with a mindset. And that is to reject everything that goes against the Shaykhain and refute everything that is threatening towards them.

"it was you who stated anyone fighting against a khaliph is a terrorist"

😊 Nope. The true and exact definition of a terrorist is a person or group who aren't in authority and white use means of violence and threatening behaviour just to have their demands met. Now those who did this and took up arms against the 4th truly and rightly guided Caliph of the Muslims and the Ulul Amre of the time acording to the Ahle Sunnah how would you take them. 😊

Lol you think this website is successful in creating doubts in Shiite minds?? Lol fools like you don’t grow on trees kid do they😆
It’s not the website it’s more ........”common sense”!
As for painting a bad picture lol, you are doing a great job in that yourself especially with your hypocrisy on issues relating to shiism and Iran, you truly are the great Shiite hypocrite and your shiites are watching and reading your tripe only they won’t stick up for you and will leave you in your straight jacket.😆

It’s not our fault no divine imam ruled for shiites I am sorry but do complain to the Almighty for this in the meantime Alhamdulillah Allah The Almighty swt blessed the muslims after saqifa and we took Islam to every corner of the globe.
You can sit at home on your pc and cry and moan and lie about history all you want but saqifa ruled over divine leadership.
As for Muslim nations now they follow democracy just like Shiite Iran wether by dictatorship or elected, there is no shura like saqifa instead you have rich corrupt people leading Muslim nations, this is why we are falling.
Saqifa has got you in a right tailspin kid get over it move on be a good Muslim and show the way. I forgot you can’t do nothing until there is a divine imam present.😆

Kid there is no 3rd entity it’s only Allah swt and His Rasul pbuh it’s been this way for a millennia, no imam made a divine call it’s only the foolish supporters who needed to add in the concept to differentiate from mainstream orthodox Islam.......you changed your Islam to add in divinity to humans without clear evidence from Quran.

Right, for me to have an open mind according iceman is to believe his garbage that verses in Quran that are not clear and direct are pointing to divine leadership I just have to “stretch” my imagination and add in the concept like verse of Ibrahim as just coz the word imam is there and it’s AFTER prophethood that it must be a higher station, disregarding facts like Muhammed pbuh was never or mentioned Himself of being or rising upto a divine imam AFTER prophethood or that His offspring ahlu baith ra never did any tests but they got automatic promotion without trials.
This is the nonsense you keep peddling kid.

See what kind of a fool you are honestly I didn’t need to know the definition of a terrorist, you portrayed anyone fighting a khaliph as a terrorist, my answer to that nonsense was that Nuwera fought against a khaliph too, so is Nuwera in that category too? Otherwise you are HYPOCRITE!

Do you read what you post kid?

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2020, 06:06:18 PM »
"You can defend and personally worship Nuwera the believer in a prophet after Nabi Muhammed pbuh, you can love and worship Murtad that’s your prerogative"

Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were accused of this that and the other. Where was the trial? Where was justice during Abu Bakr's Caliphate? Do you accuse someone of something or hear something about someone and take them prisoners then execute over night?😊 Is this your Caliphate system? Is this system that ISIS wanted to implement?😊

As far as Malik bin Nuwayrah is concerned go do some homework by reading your own books and you'll be amazed at what you'll find. There's mixed reports. The bottom line is facts. And here they are again, was Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men put on trial? They were accuse of this that and the other, but did they get a fair trial? A fair hearing? Nope 😊

Khalid ibn Waleed didn't want that. Because he knew what the outcome of that trial would be. Khalid bin Waleed ordered their arrest and beheaded them. He knew what he wanted. By putting someone on trial you get justice, not what you want.


"but you have nothing on Khalid ra, Alhamdulillah, it will hurt we know but truth is bitter you have to admit"

Khalid was responsible for murder. If not murder then manslaughter. Companions of the Prophet s.a.w like Abu Qatadah reported Khalid to Abu Bakr. Umar wanted Khalid to be punished for what he did. Abu Bakr summoned Khalid and questioned him. Then decided that Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were killed unlawfully. Blood money was given. Read the reports and then come out with a clear and clean statement. 😊

Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad, I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much,infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one.
Be the man who stands up for the rights of murtads all over the world.👍
As for isis they are same as hizbullah just blood loving killing innocent terrorists that need to be annihilated.
It’s a pity you will never be honest and say it as it is about Shiite hizbullah terrorism because you are a two faced dimwit.

No mixed reports according to Ahlu sunnah we respect and love Abu Bakr ra and any decision He made as khaliph on Khalid bin Waleed ra we agree with wholeheartedly.
At the end Umar ra agreed even if He was against it, yet here you are crying over spilt milk while the issues have been dealt with many centuries ago,this is proof of how butthurt you are about saqifa and issues from a millennia ago that you just can’t let it go.




Soccer

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2020, 11:00:50 PM »
Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad, I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much,infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one.
Be the man who stands up for the rights of murtads all over the world.👍
As for isis they are same as hizbullah just blood loving killing innocent terrorists that need to be annihilated.
It’s a pity you will never be honest and say it as it is about Shiite hizbullah terrorism because you are a two faced dimwit.

No mixed reports according to Ahlu sunnah we respect and love Abu Bakr ra and any decision He made as khaliph on Khalid bin Waleed ra we agree with wholeheartedly.
At the end Umar ra agreed even if He was against it, yet here you are crying over spilt milk while the issues have been dealt with many centuries ago,this is proof of how butthurt you are about saqifa and issues from a millennia ago that you just can’t let it go.

Quran a lot of is arguing "even if your accusation that Mohammad is forging and is a false Prophet is true, then...", and advocated to be allowed to practice their religion and not be seen as subsect of humans and to let God judge who submits to him and who doesn't.

There is no need to fight fake Prophets or their followers, unless, they are attacking offensively and causing havoc in the land.

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2020, 03:06:50 AM »
Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad, I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much,infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one.
Be the man who stands up for the rights of murtads all over the world.👍
As for isis they are same as hizbullah just blood loving killing innocent terrorists that need to be annihilated.
It’s a pity you will never be honest and say it as it is about Shiite hizbullah terrorism because you are a two faced dimwit.

No mixed reports according to Ahlu sunnah we respect and love Abu Bakr ra and any decision He made as khaliph on Khalid bin Waleed ra we agree with wholeheartedly.
At the end Umar ra agreed even if He was against it, yet here you are crying over spilt milk while the issues have been dealt with many centuries ago,this is proof of how butthurt you are about saqifa and issues from a millennia ago that you just can’t let it go.

"Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad"

Malik

 I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much,infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one.

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2020, 03:33:24 AM »
"Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad"

Malik

 I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much,infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one.

Nuwera got what he deserved he was following sajjah and made a pact he was a murtad"

Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w. After the death of the Prophet s.a.w a companion went astray and became Murtad according to you. So companions can become Murtad. We're does takfeer on sahaba go then? 😀 I thought you were the lovers and protectors of sahaba 😊 So if you believe in a Sahabi going Murtad and that ain't takfeer on sahaba, so what problem do you have with certain Shias believing in companions going astray 😊

"I didn’t know you loved Murtads that much"

And I didn't know you sent takfeer on a Sahabi 😀 You actually believe a Sahabi went astray.

"Infact you should defend all murtads instead of just one"

Lol. And you should defend all Companions instead of just a desired handful 😀

"Be the man who stands up for the rights of murtads all over the world"

Be the person who loves all the companions instead of just a desired few 😀

"As for isis they are same as hizbullah"

Nope. ISIS want to implement Caliphate by force just as the decision made in Saqifa was implemented. Consultation no where to be seen. Just a handful of people be it Abu Bakr Al Bahgdadi or Abu Bakr Ibne Kuafa. 😊

"No mixed reports according to Ahlu sunnah we respect and love Abu Bakr ra and any decision He made as khaliph"

The decision Abu Bakr made was that Khalid ibn Waleed made a grave mistake and acted hastily. So was the killing of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men murder or manslaughter? 😊

"on Khalid bin Waleed ra we agree with wholeheartedly"

Agree on what wholeheartedly? You arrest companions of the Prophet s.a.w, take them as prisoners, accuse them of being murtad then behead them overnight. No trial no nothing? You call this Islam of Muhammad s.a.w or Islam of Abu Bakr? Or do you deep down really believe that Khalid acted hastily and alone according to his own will and desire but are too afraid to admit it 😊

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2020, 03:41:25 AM »
Point to be noted people, Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w. After the Prophet's s.a.w death Malik bin Nuwayrah was accused of becoming a murtad a disbeliever. Malik and his tribes men were arrested on the orders of Khalid ibn Waleed. They weren't escorted and brought before the first Caliph Abu Bakr to be judged and put on trial. Infact Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were killed overnight without any trial what so ever. They were accused, arrested and beheaded overnight. Ask yourselves, what kind of Islam is this? Is this the Islam Muhammad s.a.w introduced? Or the ways of Caliphate after Muhammad s.a.w?

Sunni View

When arrested, Malik was asked by Khalid about his crimes. Malik's response was "your master said this your master said that" referring to the caliph Abu bakr. Khalid declared Malik a rebel apostate and ordered his execution and then married his wife, Layla bint al-Minhal. Although Shia claim that Khalid married his wife on the same night, the Sunni argue that Islamically, Khalid would have had to wait for her to complete the waiting period or iddah of a widow which is four months and ten days before he would have been able to marry her. Abu Qatada al-Ansari was a companion of Muhammad who accompanied Khalid from Medina. He was so shocked at Malik's murder by Khalid that he immediately returned to Medina telling Abu Bakr that he would not serve under a commander who had killed a Muslim..The death of Malik and Khalid's taking of his wife, Layla, created a controversy. Some officers of his army including a prominent companion of Muhammad, Abu Qatadah.believed that Khalid killed Malik to take his wife. After the pressure exerted by Umar. Khalid's cousin and one of Caliph Abu Bakr's main advisors Abu Bakr called Khalid back to Madina to explain himself.

Umar demanded from Abu Bakr the immediate dismissal of Khalid. He said that Khalid had to be put on trial for the twin crimes of murder and adultery. According to Islamic law, Khalid had to be stoned to death. But Abu Bakr defended Khalid, and said that he had simply made "an error of judgment and how can I punish the one whose sword is praised by Allah"

What really happened. What ever really happened one thing is straight, Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men should have been arrested and taken before the first Caliph to be explained why they were arrested and on what charges. They should have been put on trial and then judged fairly based on Islamic principles and human rights instead of being accused, arrested then executed.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 03:53:13 AM by iceman »

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2020, 10:17:17 AM »
Point to be noted people, Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w. After the Prophet's s.a.w death Malik bin Nuwayrah was accused of becoming a murtad a disbeliever. Malik and his tribes men were arrested on the orders of Khalid ibn Waleed. They weren't escorted and brought before the first Caliph Abu Bakr to be judged and put on trial. Infact Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were killed overnight without any trial what so ever. They were accused, arrested and beheaded overnight. Ask yourselves, what kind of Islam is this? Is this the Islam Muhammad s.a.w introduced? Or the ways of Caliphate after Muhammad s.a.w?

Sunni View

When arrested, Malik was asked by Khalid about his crimes. Malik's response was "your master said this your master said that" referring to the caliph Abu bakr. Khalid declared Malik a rebel apostate and ordered his execution and then married his wife, Layla bint al-Minhal. Although Shia claim that Khalid married his wife on the same night, the Sunni argue that Islamically, Khalid would have had to wait for her to complete the waiting period or iddah of a widow which is four months and ten days before he would have been able to marry her. Abu Qatada al-Ansari was a companion of Muhammad who accompanied Khalid from Medina. He was so shocked at Malik's murder by Khalid that he immediately returned to Medina telling Abu Bakr that he would not serve under a commander who had killed a Muslim..The death of Malik and Khalid's taking of his wife, Layla, created a controversy. Some officers of his army including a prominent companion of Muhammad, Abu Qatadah.believed that Khalid killed Malik to take his wife. After the pressure exerted by Umar. Khalid's cousin and one of Caliph Abu Bakr's main advisors Abu Bakr called Khalid back to Madina to explain himself.

Umar demanded from Abu Bakr the immediate dismissal of Khalid. He said that Khalid had to be put on trial for the twin crimes of murder and adultery. According to Islamic law, Khalid had to be stoned to death. But Abu Bakr defended Khalid, and said that he had simply made "an error of judgment and how can I punish the one whose sword is praised by Allah"

What really happened. What ever really happened one thing is straight, Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men should have been arrested and taken before the first Caliph to be explained why they were arrested and on what charges. They should have been put on trial and then judged fairly based on Islamic principles and human rights instead of being accused, arrested then executed.


Why did you miss out sajjah encounter? Did you mention Khalid Bin Waleed ra and the Muslim army reading adhaan? Nuwera didn’t come out!
Did you mention Nuwera not wanting to give zakah and returned the goods back to the owners?
Khalid ra gave him chances aplenty yet the murtad didn’t answer call to prayer so he didn’t want to talk with the khaliph the stubborn murtad instead joined forces with a kafir.

Now that is a terrorist as you interpreted to us if anyone fights a khaliph.

Come on now man up and say it as you said it is.

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2020, 10:38:45 AM »
Point to be noted people, Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w. After the Prophet's s.a.w death Malik bin Nuwayrah was accused of becoming a murtad a disbeliever. Malik and his tribes men were arrested on the orders of Khalid ibn Waleed. They weren't escorted and brought before the first Caliph Abu Bakr to be judged and put on trial. Infact Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were killed overnight without any trial what so ever. They were accused, arrested and beheaded overnight. Ask yourselves, what kind of Islam is this? Is this the Islam Muhammad s.a.w introduced? Or the ways of Caliphate after Muhammad s.a.w?

Sunni View

When arrested, Malik was asked by Khalid about his crimes. Malik's response was "your master said this your master said that" referring to the caliph Abu bakr. Khalid declared Malik a rebel apostate and ordered his execution and then married his wife, Layla bint al-Minhal. Although Shia claim that Khalid married his wife on the same night, the Sunni argue that Islamically, Khalid would have had to wait for her to complete the waiting period or iddah of a widow which is four months and ten days before he would have been able to marry her. Abu Qatada al-Ansari was a companion of Muhammad who accompanied Khalid from Medina. He was so shocked at Malik's murder by Khalid that he immediately returned to Medina telling Abu Bakr that he would not serve under a commander who had killed a Muslim..The death of Malik and Khalid's taking of his wife, Layla, created a controversy. Some officers of his army including a prominent companion of Muhammad, Abu Qatadah.believed that Khalid killed Malik to take his wife. After the pressure exerted by Umar. Khalid's cousin and one of Caliph Abu Bakr's main advisors Abu Bakr called Khalid back to Madina to explain himself.

Umar demanded from Abu Bakr the immediate dismissal of Khalid. He said that Khalid had to be put on trial for the twin crimes of murder and adultery. According to Islamic law, Khalid had to be stoned to death. But Abu Bakr defended Khalid, and said that he had simply made "an error of judgment and how can I punish the one whose sword is praised by Allah"

What really happened. What ever really happened one thing is straight, Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men should have been arrested and taken before the first Caliph to be explained why they were arrested and on what charges. They should have been put on trial and then judged fairly based on Islamic principles and human rights instead of being accused, arrested then executed.

One big point to be noted which a certain individual won’t entertain because he knows Nuwera turned apostate.........Sajjah!!!

So come on now man up and call this murtad a terrorist who fights khaliphs as per your understanding or are you a hypocrite?

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2020, 04:53:59 AM »
One big point to be noted which a certain individual won’t entertain because he knows Nuwera turned apostate.........Sajjah!!!

So come on now man up and call this murtad a terrorist who fights khaliphs as per your understanding or are you a hypocrite?

He didn't fight any Caliph kid. Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were accused of being apostate and executed overnight. There was no fight and no trial. That was the Islam of Khalid. And you do believe that companions can become apostate. You can accuse companions of becoming apostate but when others do then you have a problem 😊 Double standards kid double standards.

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2020, 11:55:57 AM »
He didn't fight any Caliph kid. Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were accused of being apostate and executed overnight. There was no fight and no trial. That was the Islam of Khalid. And you do believe that companions can become apostate. You can accuse companions of becoming apostate but when others do then you have a problem 😊 Double standards kid double standards.

And........sajjah? 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2020, 12:16:33 PM »
He didn't fight any Caliph kid. Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men were accused of being apostate and executed overnight. There was no fight and no trial. That was the Islam of Khalid. And you do believe that companions can become apostate. You can accuse companions of becoming apostate but when others do then you have a problem 😊 Double standards kid double standards.

Look at your double standards anything bad about say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism and it’s heroes equals hate.

You are crap at answering facts but love fairytales and stories.

I wonder why you keep skipping sajjah the prophet whom Malik the apostate joined with to fight the Muslims, just like you NEVER answer to facts relating to Iran (Iran contra being one where your facts rely on a reporter 😁) as well as atrocities of Shiite militias.

You are a real true 12’r Shiite spreading hate and false information and I love catching you out kid, infact you are that easy that you AVOID certain questions that you can’t answer.

What do you call a person who follows another prophet/leader???

Come on hypocrite kid according to icemans theory......ANYONE fighting a khaliph is a terrorist!
Ok don’t call him a terrorist we know you talk wind but what do you say about him following and making a pact with a kaffira to attack Madina?

Shiism = hypocrisy according to icemans answers.

Thanks kid for making that clear.👍

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2020, 12:19:53 AM »
Look at your double standards anything bad about say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism and it’s heroes equals hate.

You are crap at answering facts but love fairytales and stories.

I wonder why you keep skipping sajjah the prophet whom Malik the apostate joined with to fight the Muslims, just like you NEVER answer to facts relating to Iran (Iran contra being one where your facts rely on a reporter 😁) as well as atrocities of Shiite militias.

You are a real true 12’r Shiite spreading hate and false information and I love catching you out kid, infact you are that easy that you AVOID certain questions that you can’t answer.

What do you call a person who follows another prophet/leader???

Come on hypocrite kid according to icemans theory......ANYONE fighting a khaliph is a terrorist!
Ok don’t call him a terrorist we know you talk wind but what do you say about him following and making a pact with a kaffira to attack Madina?

Shiism = hypocrisy according to icemans answers.

Thanks kid for making that clear.👍

"Look at your double standards anything bad about say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism and it’s heroes equals hate"

Lol. Anything good, useful and positive say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism? You can't come up with a single thing that is good then why are you asking 😊 It's all in your hands.

"I wonder why you keep skipping sajjah the prophet whom Malik the apostate joined with to fight the Muslims"

You got clear proof for this accusation on a Sahabi? And while you're at it do dwell on, this means that the Sahaba can go astray and become apostates. But only according to you and when it suits you. And not anyone else. 😊

"(Iran contra being one where your facts rely on a reporter 😁)"

When the Iranian minister said that no one helped them, no one was willing to sell a single weapon to them, why didn't the reporter stop the Minister by saying "hang on" and point out the contra affair? You were quick to mention it 😊

"You are a real true 12’r Shiite spreading hate and false information"

Nope. Your kind are doing it. And against us and our community. We're just challenging you on your malicious lies. It's the bad picture you're trying to paint about us which I'm wiping out so you don't mislead people about us.

"I love catching you out kid, infact you are that easy that you AVOID certain questions that you can’t answer"

😀 Where have you caught me out. What questions 😊 You don't even know your own history and bits and pieces about what you believe in historically.

"What do you call a person who follows another prophet/leader???"

Prove to me in black and white based on clear reports who followed......another prophet/leader???

And also accept based on your own opinion and belief that companions of the Prophet s.a.w can go astray after him regardless of who they are.

"ANYONE fighting a khaliph is a terrorist!"

What's the definition of a terrorist? Don't be afraid. Answer up. And those who weren't in authority and who raised arms against the 4th rightly guided Caliph of the Muslims and according to the Ahle Sunnah who was the Ulul Amre of the time, what would you call them? Where would you put them? 😊 You have no principles, therefore no standards.

"Ok don’t call him a terrorist we know you talk wind but what do you say about him following and making a pact with a kaffira to attack Madina?"

Can you prove this accusation from clear reports? So far you're all talk 😊

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2020, 12:23:12 AM »
And........sajjah? 😊

Why leap without answering and addressing first. 😊 You're so quick to rush forward just to save yourself. 😊 And what about Sajjah? 😊

"Khalid declared Malik a rebel apostate and ordered his execution. Khalid ordered Malik's killing because in his view Malik had betrayed the Islamic state of Madinah. He ordered the execution"

But Khalid didn't arrest Malik and had him put on trial to be judged fairly by the Caliph, WHY? Ask yourself 'IS THIS ISLAM?' 'WAS THIS THE WAY OF THE PROPHET S.A.W?"
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Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2020, 04:03:29 PM »
"Look at your double standards anything bad about say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism and it’s heroes equals hate"

Lol. Anything good, useful and positive say......Iran,hizbullah,shiism? You can't come up with a single thing that is good then why are you asking 😊 It's all in your hands.

"I wonder why you keep skipping sajjah the prophet whom Malik the apostate joined with to fight the Muslims"

You got clear proof for this accusation on a Sahabi? And while you're at it do dwell on, this means that the Sahaba can go astray and become apostates. But only according to you and when it suits you. And not anyone else. 😊

"(Iran contra being one where your facts rely on a reporter 😁)"

When the Iranian minister said that no one helped them, no one was willing to sell a single weapon to them, why didn't the reporter stop the Minister by saying "hang on" and point out the contra affair? You were quick to mention it 😊

"You are a real true 12’r Shiite spreading hate and false information"

Nope. Your kind are doing it. And against us and our community. We're just challenging you on your malicious lies. It's the bad picture you're trying to paint about us which I'm wiping out so you don't mislead people about us.

"I love catching you out kid, infact you are that easy that you AVOID certain questions that you can’t answer"

😀 Where have you caught me out. What questions 😊 You don't even know your own history and bits and pieces about what you believe in historically.

"What do you call a person who follows another prophet/leader???"

Prove to me in black and white based on clear reports who followed......another prophet/leader???

And also accept based on your own opinion and belief that companions of the Prophet s.a.w can go astray after him regardless of who they are.

"ANYONE fighting a khaliph is a terrorist!"

What's the definition of a terrorist? Don't be afraid. Answer up. And those who weren't in authority and who raised arms against the 4th rightly guided Caliph of the Muslims and according to the Ahle Sunnah who was the Ulul Amre of the time, what would you call them? Where would you put them? 😊 You have no principles, therefore no standards.

"Ok don’t call him a terrorist we know you talk wind but what do you say about him following and making a pact with a kaffira to attack Madina?"

Can you prove this accusation from clear reports? So far you're all talk 😊

It’s not my fault you deny facts in reality it’s true in your imaginative mind it’s false, get some real education instead of selective learning.

Got proof for what? Sajjah? Yeah. Sahaba are human and can make mistakes and err, we don’t put divinity on them like some groups do.

Your evidence rests on an answer from a reporter lol go to that reporter and ask her why she didn’t mention that fact. As well as knowing mans are divine you can also read minds, I wonder if you are superhuman Shiite imam yourself.😁

You do lie without it you would be a Muslim and not a Shiite.

I caught you out on sajjah, you love a murtad who disrespected the prophethood of Nabi Muhammed pbuh to join with a false prophet, you know this but you won’t answer instead now you are asking for proof, oh my!😁

Still a dimwit number 1!
You called anyone fighting a khaliph as a terrorist now do the same for that murtad Nuwera,kid.
I don’t agree with your assumption, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy.
I don’t agree that anyone fighting a khaliph is a terrorist, that’s YOU who believes that but you will not call a murtad the same because it will hurt your false ideology.
You definitely have no principles when it comes to facts dimwit.

Try reading ibn katheers al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah to learn some real history kid.

iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2020, 03:27:44 PM »
It’s not my fault you deny facts in reality it’s true in your imaginative mind it’s false, get some real education instead of selective learning.

Got proof for what? Sajjah? Yeah. Sahaba are human and can make mistakes and err, we don’t put divinity on them like some groups do.

Your evidence rests on an answer from a reporter lol go to that reporter and ask her why she didn’t mention that fact. As well as knowing mans are divine you can also read minds, I wonder if you are superhuman Shiite imam yourself.😁

You do lie without it you would be a Muslim and not a Shiite.

I caught you out on sajjah, you love a murtad who disrespected the prophethood of Nabi Muhammed pbuh to join with a false prophet, you know this but you won’t answer instead now you are asking for proof, oh my!😁

Still a dimwit number 1!
You called anyone fighting a khaliph as a terrorist now do the same for that murtad Nuwera,kid.
I don’t agree with your assumption, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy.
I don’t agree that anyone fighting a khaliph is a terrorist, that’s YOU who believes that but you will not call a murtad the same because it will hurt your false ideology.
You definitely have no principles when it comes to facts dimwit.

Try reading ibn katheers al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah to learn some real history kid.

"Got proof for what? Sajjah? Yeah. Sahaba are human and can make mistakes and err, we don’t put divinity on them like some groups do"

Ok. Then when some Shias put serious mistakes and errors or wrong doings of certain Sahaba especially the Shaykhain forward them why do people from your end start jumping up and down over it. 😊 If you can accuse a Sahabi of becoming an apostate and don't loose any sweat over it then why can't a person accuse a Sahabi of becoming or being a hypocrite without you loosing sleep over it. 😊 What's takfeer on Sahaba all about then. 😊 And the verses you put forward in praise and favour of the Sahaba and their salvation why doesn't that apply to Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men. 😊 Why does those verse only apply to certain Sahaba. 😊 You've got some explaining to do. 😀 I'll always expose your double standards. 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2020, 03:07:44 PM »
"Got proof for what? Sajjah? Yeah. Sahaba are human and can make mistakes and err, we don’t put divinity on them like some groups do"

Ok. Then when some Shias put serious mistakes and errors or wrong doings of certain Sahaba especially the Shaykhain forward them why do people from your end start jumping up and down over it. 😊 If you can accuse a Sahabi of becoming an apostate and don't loose any sweat over it then why can't a person accuse a Sahabi of becoming or being a hypocrite without you loosing sleep over it. 😊 What's takfeer on Sahaba all about then. 😊 And the verses you put forward in praise and favour of the Sahaba and their salvation why doesn't that apply to Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men. 😊 Why does those verse only apply to certain Sahaba. 😊 You've got some explaining to do. 😀 I'll always expose your double standards. 😊

Oh yea completely go off topic yet again, what’s up with answering why Nuwera made a pact with a kafir?
As for you and your hate for sahaba ra, they at the least NEVER made pact with kaafirs who deem themselves to be prophets, IF they did then yes you have a case and I would have to agree with you, but in reality that’s not the case hence you selectively avoid answering certain questions, instead you ask other questions and it’s the same boring theme for which you have no proof but assumptions against sahaba ra and saqifa.........it’s a recurring theme in all your arguments.


iceman

Re: Once again I require your help
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2020, 03:52:45 AM »
Oh yea completely go off topic yet again, what’s up with answering why Nuwera made a pact with a kafir?
As for you and your hate for sahaba ra, they at the least NEVER made pact with kaafirs who deem themselves to be prophets, IF they did then yes you have a case and I would have to agree with you, but in reality that’s not the case hence you selectively avoid answering certain questions, instead you ask other questions and it’s the same boring theme for which you have no proof but assumptions against sahaba ra and saqifa.........it’s a recurring theme in all your arguments.

"Oh yea completely go off topic yet again"

Lol. Lol again. Look who's talking. 😊 Going off topic is your thing and stance.

"what’s up with answering why Nuwera made a pact with a kafir?"

Did he? 😊 So you're telling me that a well known and noble companion can go, actually did go astray. According to you he became a murtad an apostate. Now that is takfeer on Sahaba, is it not. 😊 So you're clearly accusing a Sahabi of becoming an apostate. But others can't hold companions responsible for their actions or accuse them of being hypocrites. 😊

"As for you and your hate for sahaba"

Lol. You're the one who's showing hate. You're sending takfeer on a Sahabi by accusing him of becoming an apostate. This is serious .😊

"they at the least NEVER made pact with kaafirs who deem themselves to be prophets"

They weren't interested in what the Prophet s.a.w had to write. They caused a fuss and raised their voices to stop anything from being written. They knew what they were doing and so do you. This is just as worse as what you accuse Malik of. Ignoring the Prophet s.a.w. Having no respect for him s.a.w and showing no manners in front of the Prophet s.a.w.
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