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Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?

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Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2020, 07:56:00 PM »
Ibn Ayash Al-Hafeth: Narrated from me Abu Ali Ahmad ibn Mohammad ibn Jaffar Al-Usooli Al-Basiri, narrated from Abdar Rahman ibn Saleh ibn Raeeda narrated from Hussain ibn Hameed ibn Rabee' narrated Al-Hamshi narrated from Mohammad Al-Khalif Al-Taataatari, narrated from Zidaan narrated from Salman:

he said I entered upon the Messenger of God one day so when he looked at me he said "O Salman God doesn't raise a Prophet or a Messenger except he makes for him Twelve Captains". Salman said: "O Messenger of God, I know this from the people of two books", The Messenger of God so then said "O Salman so do you know who are the my Twelve Captains then God chosen as Leaders after me?" He said "God and his Messenger know better", "God created me from his own light so he called me so I obeyed him, then he created Ali from my light, and called him so he obeyed him, from my light and Ali's light he created Fatima, so he called her so she obeyed him, and from my light and the light of Ali, and Fatima he created Al-Hassan and Al-Hussain. And he called them and they obeyed him. So God named us with five names from his names, so God is the Praised (Al-Mahmud) and I am Mohammad (praised),and God is Al-Ali (The Exalted) and this is Ali (exalted), and God is the Originator/Source and this is Fatima (the original nature/the origin/the source) , and God is the owner of goodness (Dul-Ehsan) and this Al-Hassan (The good) and God is the Beautiful/Beautified and this is Hussain (the beautiful). Then God created from us and from the light of Hussain nine leaders so he called them and they obeyed him before God created a vast sky or spread earth or water or wind or a moral, we were in his knowledge lights who glorified him and who listened to him and obeyed him."....

The hadith goes on and one of things stated by the Messenger of God is there is no faith without knowing their names, and he names them all to Salman.

There are other hadiths, I will come up with more.
link/Soccer, Either you are a fraud or you are in desperate need of treatment for mental illness.


The discussion going on and what you claimed was this

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There Twelve Captains of the Covenant of Musa:

1. Harun.
2. Samuel.
3. Talut.
4. Dawood.
5. Sulaiman.
6. Elyas.
7. AlYasa.
8. Dul-Kifl.
9. Imran.
10. Zakariya.
11. Yahya.
12. Isa.
So I asked you a clear, explicit evidence and not your conjectures. Be it an authentic report from your Imam. But what did you present? So first reflect upon your deceit and have some shame, and stop your comedy of being on truth, it  doesn't befit a fraud like you.

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2020, 08:04:16 PM »
link/Soccer, Either you are a fraud or you are in desperate need of treatment for mental illness.


The discussion going on and what you claimed was this
So I asked you a clear, explicit evidence and not your conjectures. Be it an authentic report from your Imam. But what did you present? So first reflect upon your deceit and have some shame, and stop your comedy of being on truth, it  doesn't befit a fraud like you.


You can derive what I concluded from that hadith.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rauf Murtuzov

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2020, 08:10:46 PM »
others that Elijah had appeared

You are claiming that Elijah was like Jesus? (he go up to heaven and came back?)
Then what was Elijah doing before going up to heaven according to you?
I personally haven't researched that.

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2020, 08:35:04 PM »
You are claiming that Elijah was like Jesus? (he go up to heaven and came back?)
Then what was Elijah doing before going up to heaven according to you?
I personally haven't researched that.

Elyas called bani-Israel back to worshiping God after they accused Sulaiman of being a sorcerer and attributed him a book from Iblis teaching sorcery - to be how he got his knowledge.  They began to become of  what is termed left-handed path today and Baal means God in another language, refers to the Creator, but Elyas who was name means "My God is Yahweh" called back to God and showed divine miracles when the thousands of Prophets of Baal (like new age type Prophets today) couldn't perform the miracle, he performed miracle and removed all doubt.

But for some reason, Elijah was taken up and it was said he would be present when the Messiah comes.

And this what the vision there is saying, not only that, but a lot of people saw Elijah come back. Disciples did as well but so did others.

But he went incognito after and so it's obvious he was hidden. But to prove when he did go to hiding, to others who didn't witness Elijah coming back, Jesus talked about that before him (Jesus) there was John who is like Elijah.

And so this is alluding to the fact, there is always a Guide and light on earthing channeling the holy spirit to humans and being the means to God.

So when Jesus talked about the comforter to come which is obviously Mohammad, he also, talked about a comforter that would be in the form of the holy spirit while they wait for him.

So this means, he goes, but the holy spirit not gone, but in someone else. But the comforter to come, is obviously one in the future.

So there is always an instance of the holy spirit on earth and Quran says "those are they who HE helped with a spirit from Him".

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2020, 08:45:09 PM »

You can derive what I concluded from that hadith.
I conclude two possibilities:

1. You are fraud.
2. You are mentally unstable.

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2020, 08:55:28 PM »
I conclude two possibilities:

1. You are fraud.
2. You are mentally unstable.

That's up to you brother.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2020, 09:36:43 PM »
Here is another hadith from the Prophet (s) telling us to believe in the authority of the number of Imams, and then shows verses in Quran to show why belief it in is necessary:

عن ابن عباس قال: سمعت رسول الله صلّى الله عليه وآله يقول: معاشر المسلمين اعلموا انّ لله تعالى باباً مَن دخلها أمن من النار ومن الفزع الأكبر، فقام إليه أبو سعيد الخدري فقال: يا رسول الله إهدنا إلى هذا الباب حتّى نعرفه.
قال: هو عليّ بن أبي طالب سيّد الوصيّين، وأمير المؤمنين، وأخو رسول ربّ العالمين، وخليفته على الخلق أجمعين، معاشر الناس من أحبّ أن يستمسك بالعروة الوثقى التي لا انفصام لها فليستمسك بولاية عليّ بن أبي طالب، فإنّ ولايته ولايتي، وطاعته طاعتي، معاشر الناس من أحبّ أن يعرف الحجّة بعدي فليعرف عليّ بن أبي طالب عليه السلام، معاشر الناس من سرّه أن يتوالى بولاية الله فليتقلّد  بعليّ بن أبي طالب عليه السلام فإنّه خزانة علمي، [معاشر الناس من أحبّ أن يلقى الله وهو عنه راض فليوال عدّة الأئمة].
فقام جابر بن عبد الله فقال: وما عدّة الأئمة؟ فقال: يا جابر سألتني ـ يرحمك الله ـ عن الإسلام بأجمعه، عدّتهم عدّة الشهور وهي عند الله اثني عشر شهراً في كتاب الله يوم خلق السماوات والأرض، وعدّتهم عدّة العيون التي انفجرت لموسى بن عمران عليه السلام حين ضرب بعصاه البحر فانفجرت منه اثنتا عشرة عيناً، وعدّتهم عدّة نقباء بني اسرائيل. قال الله تعالى: {ولقد أخذ الله ميثاق بني اسرائيل وبعثنا منهم اثني عشر نقيباً}، والأئمة يا جابر اثنا عشر، أوّلهم عليّ بن أبي طالب وآخرهم القائم صلوات الله عليهم أجمعين
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2020, 09:38:47 PM »
Here is another hadith:

النبي ( ص : ) كائن في امتي ما كان في بني اسرائيل حذو النعل بالنعل والقذة بالقذة ، كان فيهم اثنا عشر نقيبا قوله ( وبعثا منهم اثنى عشر نقيبا )
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2020, 10:10:36 PM »
There Twelve Captains of the Covenant of Musa:

1. Harun.
2. Samuel.
3. Talut.
4. Dawood.
5. Sulaiman.
6. Elyas.
7. AlYasa.
8. Dul-Kifl.
9. Imran.
10. Zakariya.
11. Yahya.
12. Isa.
Mr. Fraud, the demand was to prove that the twelve Captains of Musa(as) were these people whom you mentioned, from an authentic hadeeth.

If you want to derail the topic out of embarrassment, then you can continue your spamming with your non-sensical conjectures which no one is interested in.

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2020, 10:21:11 PM »
Mr. Fraud, the demand was to prove that the twelve Captains of Musa(as) were these people whom you mentioned, from an authentic hadeeth.

If you want to derail the topic out of embarrassment, then you can continue your spamming with your non-sensical conjectures which no one is interested in.

All these are mentioned to be Messengers in Bani-Israel in hadiths. I don't understand your point.

Which one of these do you doubt is a bani-Israel Messenger. If you say why I limit the Bani-Israel Messengers to Twelve after Musa, well the Quran does it and so do the hadiths confirm that.

So there is two ways you can object to this notion:

1] The Successors of Moses are Twelve
2] That these are the Twelve.

If you accept 1, then some research you can easily conclude 2. And there is hadiths to confirm 2 but they are spread.

I thought you were objecting to 1. 

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2020, 10:38:06 PM »
All these are mentioned to be Messengers in Bani-Israel in hadiths. I don't understand your point.

Which one of these do you doubt is a bani-Israel Messenger. If you say why I limit the Bani-Israel Messengers to Twelve after Musa, well the Quran does it and so do the hadiths confirm that.

So there is two ways you can object to this notion:

1] The Successors of Moses are Twelve
2] That these are the Twelve.

If you accept 1, then some research you can easily conclude 2. And there is hadiths to confirm 2 but they are spread.

I thought you were objecting to 1.
So it's your conjecture. If not then, Did Prophet(SAWS) tell that these were the 12 Captains of Musa(AS)? Or did any of your Imam say these were the 12 Captains of Musa(AS)? If no, then its your conjecture.

That's why I'm calling you a fraud.

Soccer

Re: Prophets between Isa and Muhammad?
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2020, 10:43:30 PM »
So it's your conjecture. If not then, Did Prophet(SAWS) tell that these were the 12 Captains of Musa(AS)? Or did any of your Imam say these were the 12 Captains of Musa(AS)? If no, then its your conjecture.

That's why I'm calling you a fraud.

These are the Messengers Quran confirmed of Bani-Israel. If you find one additional or can take away one, then do so.

However, all these were mentioned and people of that time knew who they were talking about.

Harun in the Torah disobeys God and vies with Moses about his position, and after the covenant is taken with respect to the family of Aaron and all emphasis on that, God breaks his covenant or changes his promise, it goes 180 degrees against - turn around after chapters and chapters of emphasizing the special place of the family and offspring of Aaron.  Quran shows however that all this was fabrication. And this all people have from Aaron dying early, is fabrications like that.

Yushua ibn Noon is not the successor of Musa, rather it's proven by Quran, quite the contrary Harun is.

We can go first step. And we will see the rest we can conclude are all of the 12 Successors of Musa by Quran confirming them.

« Last Edit: May 28, 2020, 10:45:39 PM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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