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Title: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 03, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Who is the worse of the two? Who is the better villain? Please cite your reasons.

Ameen, Taha, and labelingtheory. Please enlighten us all.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: adnan42 on March 03, 2015, 09:21:16 PM
dont be surprised if they end up answering umer ra.. :P
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Furkan on March 03, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
the sufyani dude, don't forget about him
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Hani on March 03, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
Let me sum it up for you by saying Pharaoh, but Shia mention Yazid more because their entire faith centers around Ahlul-Bayt and he killed some of them.

Now let the disasters begin.

PS, also don't be surprised if someone answers you with a question.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Hadrami on March 04, 2015, 01:18:44 AM
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Furkan on March 04, 2015, 01:49:44 AM
Those big quraysh leaders and enemies of islam who would never accept islam and stay in jahiliyah were mentioned in the quran. The sahaba like abu bakr are praised in the quran so much, but shiites claim that abu bakr didn't accept islam and on top of that they accuse him (ra) of so many things which those kafir quraysh leaders even wouldn't do.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 04, 2015, 02:24:50 AM
Let me sum it up for you by saying Pharaoh, but Shia mention Yazid more because their entire faith centers around Ahlul-Bayt and he killed some of them.

Now let the disasters begin.

PS, also don't be surprised if someone answers you with a question.

I'm expecting JUST that.  ;D
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 04, 2015, 02:25:19 AM
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D

That'll be left for another day.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Rationalist on March 05, 2015, 01:54:08 AM
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D

If you want this answer go to a 12er Shia mosque on the day Bibi Fatima (sa) passed away and then ask them this question.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 07, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
C'mon.

Where they all gone?
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Taha on March 07, 2015, 04:50:41 AM
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Husayn on March 07, 2015, 01:28:45 PM
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.

We must apply ta'wil to this Shii statement.

Obviously, Pharoah = Abu Bakr, Yazeed = Umar & 'Umar = 'Uthman.

Furthermore, "the first two" actually means "the first three".

And 'Ali is the dot above the i.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Hani on March 07, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
^ Haha nice joke man! That's actually how Shia scholars interpret Hadiths.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Hadrami on March 07, 2015, 02:53:44 PM
shia interpret firaun = abu bakar, haman = umar & qarun = uthman...if im not mistaken
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Taha on March 07, 2015, 07:31:32 PM
Ali is the dot under the пе
Not the dot on the i.

But that hadeeth is fabricated anyways. I had a good discussion about it with a Jew, nonetheless (both the Quran and the Torah begin with the letter B. He gave his thoughts on why that is. T'was interesting.)
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 08, 2015, 04:02:25 AM
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.

We must apply ta'wil to this Shii statement.

Obviously, Pharoah = Abu Bakr, Yazeed = Umar & 'Umar = 'Uthman.

Furthermore, "the first two" actually means "the first three".

And 'Ali is the dot above the i.

Sorry, brother. I don't quite geddit.

'Ali is the dot above the i?
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Taha on March 09, 2015, 09:09:41 AM
^ "The entirety of the Quran is contained in Al-Fatiha and the entirety of Al-Fatiha is contained in the bismillah and the entirety of the bismillah is contained in the ba and the entirety of the ba is contained in the dot under the ba. I am the dot under the ba."

Attributed to Imam Ali by some Shias. It is not a hadeeth and is not found in any major work, Sunni or Shia. Part of it (not the whole statement) was quoted by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Arabi, but they attributed it to someone else.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: ahlebaitlover on March 09, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
I think this kind of discussion is uncalled for and does not need any sort of attention. It doesn't really benefit any one.
More relevant issues should be discussed here.
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Furkan on March 09, 2015, 07:21:36 PM
Yes that's true, but rawafid dare to say that sahaba (or tabi'n ) are worse than farao etc...
Title: Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
Post by: Optimus Prime on March 10, 2015, 01:07:33 AM
I think this kind of discussion is uncalled for and does not need any sort of attention. It doesn't really benefit any one.
More relevant issues should be discussed here.

How is it uncalled for?

It's an interesting comparison from a Rafidah perspective. This thread wasn't really intended for discussion anyway, but to gather views from the Shias. In turn this would reflect on how they really define kufar.