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muslim720

Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« on: January 06, 2020, 08:06:38 PM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

They say even a broken clock is right twice a day and Shaytanyari, on his Facebook page, has spoken some truth. 

Here is his latest post.

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"We Shi’a, if we want to survive, must realize the following:

1. The Iranian regime under Khamenei, and before him under Khomeini, has been using the Shi’a faith to mobilize the Shi’a populations in other countries in order to further its own political and military dominance in the region. This is a misuse of religion. It has no religious justification. It harms the Shi’a minorities in the neighboring countries.

2. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a populations of the neighboring countries to destabilize those regimes or to exert pressure on them.

3. Whenever there is instability in a neighboring country, Iran recruits local Shi'a as militia and proxies to fight on its behalf.

4. The above 1, 2, and 3 are very bad for the Shi’a. It has forced the Saudi and Gulf states to heavily invest in the counter-Shi’a ideology of takfeer. It has led the US and the Europeans to align themselves with the Salafees against the Shi’a. The West has no shared value with the salafees. The Shi’a, because of the sheer stupidity of their leadership, have pushed the West and the Salafees into a bond of brotherhood.

5. The above 1, 2, and 3 are the main causes of contemporary anti-Shi’a jihadi movements.

6. Iran is ruled by the idea of Wilayat al-Faqih (which itself is a blasphemy in Shi’a faith), which declares Khamenei the ruler of the whole world, not just Iran or the Muslim countries. This ideology, enshrined in the Iranian constitution, simply declares all governments not ruled by Khamenei as illegitimate. According to Wialyat al-Faqih, the whole world is one country with Khamenei as its ruler and all the countries of the world are its provinces. This theoretically puts Iran at war with every other country in the world.

7. The Iranian regime has been leading Shi’as worldwide into confrontation with the United States and Europe. I am not saying that the US or Europe are angelic beings...far from it. However, we Shi’a do not have any pressing conflict of interests with the US or Europe. We can live peacefully with the US and European powers and should do so. Palestine is not our fight. Just as the plight of Uighurs in Xinjiang and Chechens in the Caucuses is not our fight.

8. The Iranian regime is extremely repressive, specially against Shi’a religious figures who dare to dissent. It kills, it assassinates, it imprisons and it tortures—it does so not only to the dissenter personally but also to his family. This has led to Shi’a faith becoming captive to the Iranian regime. Maraje’, speakers of the minbar and the pulpit, and religious writers cannot criticize the Iranian regime.

They either sing the songs of the regime's praise or at minimum are careful not to say something to the regime's dislike. Any critic the regime cannot kidnap or assassinate is labeled as Zionist or CIA agent by its humongous propaganda machine, which includes the throngs of well-organized and paid Internet comment writers.

9. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a faith as a tool. It does not promote Shi’a faith. Worst sort of anti-Imamah ideology is freely preached from the seminary in Qum by the likes of Kamal Haidari. Another nasibi Asef Mohseni was awarded the book of the year award a few years back. Writing books or giving speeches, even intellectual and research based ones, against Abu Bakr and Omar are severely punished. Virtues of Abu Bakr and Omar are commonly preached from the state controlled media. Questioning the infallibility of the Holy Imams (عليهم السلام) and even their imama is tolerated and even promoted. Scholars who graduate from the Iranian seminaries are mostly devious in their beliefs let alone being able to defend Shi'a against the salafees or secular thinkers.
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10. Instead of creating militia in the neighboring countries and thus making Shi'a the targets of jihadi persecution, if Iran wants to serve the Shi'a, it should,
a. Create universities and institutions that provide the best education for Shi'a youth
b. Create banks that gives loans to Shi'a businesses
c. Promote the Wilaya of Amir al-Mumineen and the Twelve Imams (عليهم السلام) on a global scale.
e. Treat its own citizens with respect, provide them with decent economic opportunities and be a model government that respects human rights and cares about the welfare of its own people."

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What I have highlighted (emboldened and underlined) puts the current issue in perspective.  If there is to be a sectarian war, la samah Allah, it is clear who initiated it.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

iceman

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 10:22:39 PM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

They say even a broken clock is right twice a day and Shaytanyari, on his Facebook page, has spoken some truth. 

Here is his latest post.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"We Shi’a, if we want to survive, must realize the following:

1. The Iranian regime under Khamenei, and before him under Khomeini, has been using the Shi’a faith to mobilize the Shi’a populations in other countries in order to further its own political and military dominance in the region. This is a misuse of religion. It has no religious justification. It harms the Shi’a minorities in the neighboring countries.

2. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a populations of the neighboring countries to destabilize those regimes or to exert pressure on them.

3. Whenever there is instability in a neighboring country, Iran recruits local Shi'a as militia and proxies to fight on its behalf.

4. The above 1, 2, and 3 are very bad for the Shi’a. It has forced the Saudi and Gulf states to heavily invest in the counter-Shi’a ideology of takfeer. It has led the US and the Europeans to align themselves with the Salafees against the Shi’a. The West has no shared value with the salafees. The Shi’a, because of the sheer stupidity of their leadership, have pushed the West and the Salafees into a bond of brotherhood.

5. The above 1, 2, and 3 are the main causes of contemporary anti-Shi’a jihadi movements.

6. Iran is ruled by the idea of Wilayat al-Faqih (which itself is a blasphemy in Shi’a faith), which declares Khamenei the ruler of the whole world, not just Iran or the Muslim countries. This ideology, enshrined in the Iranian constitution, simply declares all governments not ruled by Khamenei as illegitimate. According to Wialyat al-Faqih, the whole world is one country with Khamenei as its ruler and all the countries of the world are its provinces. This theoretically puts Iran at war with every other country in the world.

7. The Iranian regime has been leading Shi’as worldwide into confrontation with the United States and Europe. I am not saying that the US or Europe are angelic beings...far from it. However, we Shi’a do not have any pressing conflict of interests with the US or Europe. We can live peacefully with the US and European powers and should do so. Palestine is not our fight. Just as the plight of Uighurs in Xinjiang and Chechens in the Caucuses is not our fight.

8. The Iranian regime is extremely repressive, specially against Shi’a religious figures who dare to dissent. It kills, it assassinates, it imprisons and it tortures—it does so not only to the dissenter personally but also to his family. This has led to Shi’a faith becoming captive to the Iranian regime. Maraje’, speakers of the minbar and the pulpit, and religious writers cannot criticize the Iranian regime.

They either sing the songs of the regime's praise or at minimum are careful not to say something to the regime's dislike. Any critic the regime cannot kidnap or assassinate is labeled as Zionist or CIA agent by its humongous propaganda machine, which includes the throngs of well-organized and paid Internet comment writers.

9. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a faith as a tool. It does not promote Shi’a faith. Worst sort of anti-Imamah ideology is freely preached from the seminary in Qum by the likes of Kamal Haidari. Another nasibi Asef Mohseni was awarded the book of the year award a few years back. Writing books or giving speeches, even intellectual and research based ones, against Abu Bakr and Omar are severely punished. Virtues of Abu Bakr and Omar are commonly preached from the state controlled media. Questioning the infallibility of the Holy Imams (عليهم السلام) and even their imama is tolerated and even promoted. Scholars who graduate from the Iranian seminaries are mostly devious in their beliefs let alone being able to defend Shi'a against the salafees or secular thinkers.
.
10. Instead of creating militia in the neighboring countries and thus making Shi'a the targets of jihadi persecution, if Iran wants to serve the Shi'a, it should,
a. Create universities and institutions that provide the best education for Shi'a youth
b. Create banks that gives loans to Shi'a businesses
c. Promote the Wilaya of Amir al-Mumineen and the Twelve Imams (عليهم السلام) on a global scale.
e. Treat its own citizens with respect, provide them with decent economic opportunities and be a model government that respects human rights and cares about the welfare of its own people."

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What I have highlighted (emboldened and underlined) puts the current issue in perspective.  If there is to be a sectarian war, la samah Allah, it is clear who initiated it.

Sahaytan yari has spoken the truth? First of all, how is that. Just because he's said something that suits your desire, so it is the truth. His yari is with shaytan so....😊

Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well. You can turn this broken clock which ever way you want. After all its a broken clock.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2020, 10:26:09 PM by iceman »

muslim720

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 11:31:41 PM »
Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well. You can turn this broken clock which ever way you want. After all its a broken clock.

....but the broken clock is still right twice a day.  Too bad we can't say that about you though!
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Khaled

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2020, 12:44:50 AM »
Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well.

So you agree that those actions make Saudi Arabia evil?
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Bolani Muslim

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2020, 01:04:53 AM »
This was a fascinating read. Credit where credit is due and Allahyari did a good job of explaining the issue without sugarcoating or taqiyya. I agree for the most part except on a few issues.

In regards to number 4, this is the reason the Saudi regime puts little emphasis on supporting anti-Shia networks in languages other than Arabic and a little Farsi. Unlike the Iranian regime which translates anti-Sunni propaganda into tens or hundreds of languages. The Saudis primarily care for regional power and security. Unlike the Iranians who dream of global spread of their ideology.

Number 7 highlights the beliefs of many Shias. Historically, they viewed themselves as disparate to us. Famous theologians such as Ayt Khui, Sheikh Murtada, and Yusuf Bahrani considered Sunnis as disbelievers. The Palestinian cause is a masquerade.

Number 8 is important because it highlights the ways in which the government represses not only non-Muslims and Sunnis, but targets Shias as well. This is important when discussing with Shias (and even Sunnis) who are obsessed with Iran and view it as heaven on earth.

I disagree with number 9, scholars such as Kamal Haydari are not "anti-Imami," they are merely speaking openly about topics that are typically kept hushed within the hawza. During Kamal Haydari's lectures, at no point does he make a claim without evidence. For example, when touching upon views regarding infallibility (a no-go zone in the sect) KH will open books from reputable scholars and read from it. Allahyari wants to follow the sunnah of his forefathers by allowing controversial books to rot. Unfortunately, in the era of the internet, this is impossible. If Allahyari were to time-travel to the past, those Shia ulema would make takfir of him and vice versa.

« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 01:06:44 AM by Bolani Muslim »

iceman

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 02:00:27 AM »
....but the broken clock is still right twice a day.  Too bad we can't say that about you though!

A broken clock is never right. Well it's broken to begin with so how can it be right. 😊

muslim720

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2020, 02:13:53 AM »
A broken clock is never right. Well it's broken to begin with so how can it be right. 😊

Are you seriously that stupid to not get that saying?  No, seriously, do you not understand that reference?
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Rationalist

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 06:37:10 AM »
Why call him Shaytanyari? This is unnecessarily. May Allah have mercy on Allahyari. Despite of him being a 12er Shia, and his open hatred toward the some sahaba, he has always taken many bold stands.

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Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2020, 04:11:11 AM »
Why call him Shaytanyari? This is unnecessarily. May Allah have mercy on Allahyari. Despite of him being a 12er Shia, and his open hatred toward the some sahaba, he has always taken many bold stands.

Do you understand Arabic? He called the Prophet's (saws) wife a whore on many occasions. Is that the bold statement that fascinates you? Have some shame. He's Shaytanyari, Iblisyari, he's everything except Allahyari.

Rationalist

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2020, 05:03:16 AM »
Do you understand Arabic? He called the Prophet's (saws) wife a whore on many occasions. Is that the bold statement that fascinates you? Have some shame. He's Shaytanyari, Iblisyari, he's everything except Allahyari.

That is his aqeeda which comes from his books. In the end Allah (swt) will judge everyone including the people of the books, Sabeans and even the Majoos.

Adil

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 06:54:43 AM »
That is his aqeeda which comes from his books. In the end Allah (swt) will judge everyone including the people of the books, Sabeans and even the Majoos.

I think your attitude towards him is too friendly. If he really does insult the Prophet's (pbuh) wives (ra) in that manner then honestly he's scum of the earth and may Allah punish him severely.

Anti_Shia_313

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 08:22:32 PM »
With regards to Allatyari talking about takfeer ideology, in my opinion Sunni countries need to start cracking down on shia minorties. In Pakistan, for example, Qadianis are not considered Muslims by federal law, I think this should be extended to shias as well

Remove them from political office, the military and start putting them in camps

The positive rhetoric towards Abu Bakr and Umar is a political taqqiyah with no sound basis in shiism. The shia forces fighting in Iraq and Syria are thorough anti-sunni. Sunni masajid have been destroyed, people named Umar have been tortured/kill, and plenty of Sahaba cursing
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 08:25:18 PM by Anti_Shia_313 »
Anti_Shia_313 is the nicest person you will ever meet, so full of joy and truth
when he finds out people are lying to him he does not like it- esp those heathens from Kufa who made stuff up

Rationalist

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2020, 08:32:30 PM »
I think your attitude towards him is too friendly. If he really does insult the Prophet's (pbuh) wives (ra) in that manner then honestly he's scum of the earth and may Allah punish him severely.
No I just want to leave that up to Allah. He will have answer for his slander.

Rationalist

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2020, 08:35:52 PM »
With regards to Allatyari talking about takfeer ideology, in my opinion Sunni countries need to start cracking down on shia minorties. In Pakistan, for example, Qadianis are not considered Muslims by federal law, I think this should be extended to shias as well

Remove them from political office, the military and start putting them in camps

The positive rhetoric towards Abu Bakr and Umar is a political taqqiyah with no sound basis in shiism. The shia forces fighting in Iraq and Syria are thorough anti-sunni. Sunni masajid have been destroyed, people named Umar have been tortured/kill, and plenty of Sahaba cursing

Just because they do that in Syria, it doesn't mean we do the same to them elsewhere. Qadianis are non Muslim without a doubt, but they still need to be protected. As for 12ers, we need to deal with them through debates. Our debates should focus on what is binding and leaving the other matters out.

Khaled

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2020, 10:58:48 PM »
*snip to avoid having this nonsense written more than once*

This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.

Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

muslim720

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 08:38:09 PM »
This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.


Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Couldn't have agreed more with you!  We must not lose sight of our target; we wish to uphold the truth in the face of Shi'i objections but we must not see them as "enemies" or "outsiders".  Even blood brothers disagree on the most minute or important things.  That does not mean that one must cut ties with the other, especially not the one who is upon truth.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Anti_Shia_313

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2020, 01:34:24 AM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Couldn't have agreed more with you!  We must not lose sight of our target; we wish to uphold the truth in the face of Shi'i objections but we must not see them as "enemies" or "outsiders".  Even blood brothers disagree on the most minute or important things.  That does not mean that one must cut ties with the other, especially not the one who is upon truth.

Go say this to the face of a Syrian or Iraqi sunni who has lost their family or property. I know it makes you uncomfortable but Shias are dangerous to Islam; always have been and always will. Sunnis need to understand the evils of shi'i doctrine and the danger they pose. Saying they are brothers is a disservice to Islam
Anti_Shia_313 is the nicest person you will ever meet, so full of joy and truth
when he finds out people are lying to him he does not like it- esp those heathens from Kufa who made stuff up

Anti_Shia_313

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 01:37:30 AM »
This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.

Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.

Shii'sm seeks to exhume the graves of the shaykhain and turn the haramain into a bloodbath of ritualized self-flagellation. If you want, I can provide you a video of Hezbullat fighters talking about eliminating the Sunnis off the face of earth   
Anti_Shia_313 is the nicest person you will ever meet, so full of joy and truth
when he finds out people are lying to him he does not like it- esp those heathens from Kufa who made stuff up

muslim720

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2020, 04:39:17 AM »
Go say this to the face of a Syrian or Iraqi sunni who has lost their family or property. I know it makes you uncomfortable but Shias are dangerous to Islam; always have been and always will. Sunnis need to understand the evils of shi'i doctrine and the danger they pose. Saying they are brothers is a disservice to Islam

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Let us not argue from emotions, brother, and also refrain from committing the parts-to-whole fallacy where we apply the actions of a few to an entire demographic.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Anti_Shia_313

Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2020, 05:11:51 AM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Let us not argue from emotions, brother, and also refrain from committing the parts-to-whole fallacy where we apply the actions of a few to an entire demographic.

I'm simply paraphrasing what Khomeini said in his book :)
Anti_Shia_313 is the nicest person you will ever meet, so full of joy and truth
when he finds out people are lying to him he does not like it- esp those heathens from Kufa who made stuff up

 

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