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Title: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on January 06, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

They say even a broken clock is right twice a day and Shaytanyari, on his Facebook page, has spoken some truth. 

Here is his latest post.

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"We Shi’a, if we want to survive, must realize the following:

1. The Iranian regime under Khamenei, and before him under Khomeini, has been using the Shi’a faith to mobilize the Shi’a populations in other countries in order to further its own political and military dominance in the region. This is a misuse of religion. It has no religious justification. It harms the Shi’a minorities in the neighboring countries.

2. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a populations of the neighboring countries to destabilize those regimes or to exert pressure on them.

3. Whenever there is instability in a neighboring country, Iran recruits local Shi'a as militia and proxies to fight on its behalf.

4. The above 1, 2, and 3 are very bad for the Shi’a. It has forced the Saudi and Gulf states to heavily invest in the counter-Shi’a ideology of takfeer. It has led the US and the Europeans to align themselves with the Salafees against the Shi’a. The West has no shared value with the salafees. The Shi’a, because of the sheer stupidity of their leadership, have pushed the West and the Salafees into a bond of brotherhood.

5. The above 1, 2, and 3 are the main causes of contemporary anti-Shi’a jihadi movements.

6. Iran is ruled by the idea of Wilayat al-Faqih (which itself is a blasphemy in Shi’a faith), which declares Khamenei the ruler of the whole world, not just Iran or the Muslim countries. This ideology, enshrined in the Iranian constitution, simply declares all governments not ruled by Khamenei as illegitimate. According to Wialyat al-Faqih, the whole world is one country with Khamenei as its ruler and all the countries of the world are its provinces. This theoretically puts Iran at war with every other country in the world.

7. The Iranian regime has been leading Shi’as worldwide into confrontation with the United States and Europe. I am not saying that the US or Europe are angelic beings...far from it. However, we Shi’a do not have any pressing conflict of interests with the US or Europe. We can live peacefully with the US and European powers and should do so. Palestine is not our fight. Just as the plight of Uighurs in Xinjiang and Chechens in the Caucuses is not our fight.

8. The Iranian regime is extremely repressive, specially against Shi’a religious figures who dare to dissent. It kills, it assassinates, it imprisons and it tortures—it does so not only to the dissenter personally but also to his family. This has led to Shi’a faith becoming captive to the Iranian regime. Maraje’, speakers of the minbar and the pulpit, and religious writers cannot criticize the Iranian regime.

They either sing the songs of the regime's praise or at minimum are careful not to say something to the regime's dislike. Any critic the regime cannot kidnap or assassinate is labeled as Zionist or CIA agent by its humongous propaganda machine, which includes the throngs of well-organized and paid Internet comment writers.

9. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a faith as a tool. It does not promote Shi’a faith. Worst sort of anti-Imamah ideology is freely preached from the seminary in Qum by the likes of Kamal Haidari. Another nasibi Asef Mohseni was awarded the book of the year award a few years back. Writing books or giving speeches, even intellectual and research based ones, against Abu Bakr and Omar are severely punished. Virtues of Abu Bakr and Omar are commonly preached from the state controlled media. Questioning the infallibility of the Holy Imams (عليهم السلام) and even their imama is tolerated and even promoted. Scholars who graduate from the Iranian seminaries are mostly devious in their beliefs let alone being able to defend Shi'a against the salafees or secular thinkers.
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10. Instead of creating militia in the neighboring countries and thus making Shi'a the targets of jihadi persecution, if Iran wants to serve the Shi'a, it should,
a. Create universities and institutions that provide the best education for Shi'a youth
b. Create banks that gives loans to Shi'a businesses
c. Promote the Wilaya of Amir al-Mumineen and the Twelve Imams (عليهم السلام) on a global scale.
e. Treat its own citizens with respect, provide them with decent economic opportunities and be a model government that respects human rights and cares about the welfare of its own people."

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What I have highlighted (emboldened and underlined) puts the current issue in perspective.  If there is to be a sectarian war, la samah Allah, it is clear who initiated it.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

They say even a broken clock is right twice a day and Shaytanyari, on his Facebook page, has spoken some truth. 

Here is his latest post.

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"We Shi’a, if we want to survive, must realize the following:

1. The Iranian regime under Khamenei, and before him under Khomeini, has been using the Shi’a faith to mobilize the Shi’a populations in other countries in order to further its own political and military dominance in the region. This is a misuse of religion. It has no religious justification. It harms the Shi’a minorities in the neighboring countries.

2. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a populations of the neighboring countries to destabilize those regimes or to exert pressure on them.

3. Whenever there is instability in a neighboring country, Iran recruits local Shi'a as militia and proxies to fight on its behalf.

4. The above 1, 2, and 3 are very bad for the Shi’a. It has forced the Saudi and Gulf states to heavily invest in the counter-Shi’a ideology of takfeer. It has led the US and the Europeans to align themselves with the Salafees against the Shi’a. The West has no shared value with the salafees. The Shi’a, because of the sheer stupidity of their leadership, have pushed the West and the Salafees into a bond of brotherhood.

5. The above 1, 2, and 3 are the main causes of contemporary anti-Shi’a jihadi movements.

6. Iran is ruled by the idea of Wilayat al-Faqih (which itself is a blasphemy in Shi’a faith), which declares Khamenei the ruler of the whole world, not just Iran or the Muslim countries. This ideology, enshrined in the Iranian constitution, simply declares all governments not ruled by Khamenei as illegitimate. According to Wialyat al-Faqih, the whole world is one country with Khamenei as its ruler and all the countries of the world are its provinces. This theoretically puts Iran at war with every other country in the world.

7. The Iranian regime has been leading Shi’as worldwide into confrontation with the United States and Europe. I am not saying that the US or Europe are angelic beings...far from it. However, we Shi’a do not have any pressing conflict of interests with the US or Europe. We can live peacefully with the US and European powers and should do so. Palestine is not our fight. Just as the plight of Uighurs in Xinjiang and Chechens in the Caucuses is not our fight.

8. The Iranian regime is extremely repressive, specially against Shi’a religious figures who dare to dissent. It kills, it assassinates, it imprisons and it tortures—it does so not only to the dissenter personally but also to his family. This has led to Shi’a faith becoming captive to the Iranian regime. Maraje’, speakers of the minbar and the pulpit, and religious writers cannot criticize the Iranian regime.

They either sing the songs of the regime's praise or at minimum are careful not to say something to the regime's dislike. Any critic the regime cannot kidnap or assassinate is labeled as Zionist or CIA agent by its humongous propaganda machine, which includes the throngs of well-organized and paid Internet comment writers.

9. The Iranian regime uses Shi’a faith as a tool. It does not promote Shi’a faith. Worst sort of anti-Imamah ideology is freely preached from the seminary in Qum by the likes of Kamal Haidari. Another nasibi Asef Mohseni was awarded the book of the year award a few years back. Writing books or giving speeches, even intellectual and research based ones, against Abu Bakr and Omar are severely punished. Virtues of Abu Bakr and Omar are commonly preached from the state controlled media. Questioning the infallibility of the Holy Imams (عليهم السلام) and even their imama is tolerated and even promoted. Scholars who graduate from the Iranian seminaries are mostly devious in their beliefs let alone being able to defend Shi'a against the salafees or secular thinkers.
.
10. Instead of creating militia in the neighboring countries and thus making Shi'a the targets of jihadi persecution, if Iran wants to serve the Shi'a, it should,
a. Create universities and institutions that provide the best education for Shi'a youth
b. Create banks that gives loans to Shi'a businesses
c. Promote the Wilaya of Amir al-Mumineen and the Twelve Imams (عليهم السلام) on a global scale.
e. Treat its own citizens with respect, provide them with decent economic opportunities and be a model government that respects human rights and cares about the welfare of its own people."

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What I have highlighted (emboldened and underlined) puts the current issue in perspective.  If there is to be a sectarian war, la samah Allah, it is clear who initiated it.

Sahaytan yari has spoken the truth? First of all, how is that. Just because he's said something that suits your desire, so it is the truth. His yari is with shaytan so....😊

Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well. You can turn this broken clock which ever way you want. After all its a broken clock.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on January 06, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well. You can turn this broken clock which ever way you want. After all its a broken clock.

....but the broken clock is still right twice a day.  Too bad we can't say that about you though!
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Khaled on January 06, 2020, 09:44:50 PM
Points 1, 2 and 3 fit the Saudis as well.

So you agree that those actions make Saudi Arabia evil?
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Bolani Muslim on January 06, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
This was a fascinating read. Credit where credit is due and Allahyari did a good job of explaining the issue without sugarcoating or taqiyya. I agree for the most part except on a few issues.

In regards to number 4, this is the reason the Saudi regime puts little emphasis on supporting anti-Shia networks in languages other than Arabic and a little Farsi. Unlike the Iranian regime which translates anti-Sunni propaganda into tens or hundreds of languages. The Saudis primarily care for regional power and security. Unlike the Iranians who dream of global spread of their ideology.

Number 7 highlights the beliefs of many Shias. Historically, they viewed themselves as disparate to us. Famous theologians such as Ayt Khui, Sheikh Murtada, and Yusuf Bahrani considered Sunnis as disbelievers. The Palestinian cause is a masquerade.

Number 8 is important because it highlights the ways in which the government represses not only non-Muslims and Sunnis, but targets Shias as well. This is important when discussing with Shias (and even Sunnis) who are obsessed with Iran and view it as heaven on earth.

I disagree with number 9, scholars such as Kamal Haydari are not "anti-Imami," they are merely speaking openly about topics that are typically kept hushed within the hawza. During Kamal Haydari's lectures, at no point does he make a claim without evidence. For example, when touching upon views regarding infallibility (a no-go zone in the sect) KH will open books from reputable scholars and read from it. Allahyari wants to follow the sunnah of his forefathers by allowing controversial books to rot. Unfortunately, in the era of the internet, this is impossible. If Allahyari were to time-travel to the past, those Shia ulema would make takfir of him and vice versa.

Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2020, 11:00:27 PM
....but the broken clock is still right twice a day.  Too bad we can't say that about you though!

A broken clock is never right. Well it's broken to begin with so how can it be right. 😊
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on January 06, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
A broken clock is never right. Well it's broken to begin with so how can it be right. 😊

Are you seriously that stupid to not get that saying?  No, seriously, do you not understand that reference?
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Rationalist on January 07, 2020, 03:37:10 AM
Why call him Shaytanyari? This is unnecessarily. May Allah have mercy on Allahyari. Despite of him being a 12er Shia, and his open hatred toward the some sahaba, he has always taken many bold stands.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: ANTI-MAJOS - Kas-SAHEL! on February 11, 2020, 01:11:11 AM
Why call him Shaytanyari? This is unnecessarily. May Allah have mercy on Allahyari. Despite of him being a 12er Shia, and his open hatred toward the some sahaba, he has always taken many bold stands.

Do you understand Arabic? He called the Prophet's (saws) wife a whore on many occasions. Is that the bold statement that fascinates you? Have some shame. He's Shaytanyari, Iblisyari, he's everything except Allahyari.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Rationalist on February 11, 2020, 02:03:16 AM
Do you understand Arabic? He called the Prophet's (saws) wife a whore on many occasions. Is that the bold statement that fascinates you? Have some shame. He's Shaytanyari, Iblisyari, he's everything except Allahyari.

That is his aqeeda which comes from his books. In the end Allah (swt) will judge everyone including the people of the books, Sabeans and even the Majoos.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 11, 2020, 03:54:43 AM
That is his aqeeda which comes from his books. In the end Allah (swt) will judge everyone including the people of the books, Sabeans and even the Majoos.

I think your attitude towards him is too friendly. If he really does insult the Prophet's (pbuh) wives (ra) in that manner then honestly he's scum of the earth and may Allah punish him severely.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 11, 2020, 05:22:32 PM
With regards to Allatyari talking about takfeer ideology, in my opinion Sunni countries need to start cracking down on shia minorties. In Pakistan, for example, Qadianis are not considered Muslims by federal law, I think this should be extended to shias as well

Remove them from political office, the military and start putting them in camps

The positive rhetoric towards Abu Bakr and Umar is a political taqqiyah with no sound basis in shiism. The shia forces fighting in Iraq and Syria are thorough anti-sunni. Sunni masajid have been destroyed, people named Umar have been tortured/kill, and plenty of Sahaba cursing
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Rationalist on February 11, 2020, 05:32:30 PM
I think your attitude towards him is too friendly. If he really does insult the Prophet's (pbuh) wives (ra) in that manner then honestly he's scum of the earth and may Allah punish him severely.
No I just want to leave that up to Allah. He will have answer for his slander.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Rationalist on February 11, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
With regards to Allatyari talking about takfeer ideology, in my opinion Sunni countries need to start cracking down on shia minorties. In Pakistan, for example, Qadianis are not considered Muslims by federal law, I think this should be extended to shias as well

Remove them from political office, the military and start putting them in camps

The positive rhetoric towards Abu Bakr and Umar is a political taqqiyah with no sound basis in shiism. The shia forces fighting in Iraq and Syria are thorough anti-sunni. Sunni masajid have been destroyed, people named Umar have been tortured/kill, and plenty of Sahaba cursing

Just because they do that in Syria, it doesn't mean we do the same to them elsewhere. Qadianis are non Muslim without a doubt, but they still need to be protected. As for 12ers, we need to deal with them through debates. Our debates should focus on what is binding and leaving the other matters out.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Khaled on February 11, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
*snip to avoid having this nonsense written more than once*

This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.

Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on February 13, 2020, 05:38:09 PM
This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.


Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Couldn't have agreed more with you!  We must not lose sight of our target; we wish to uphold the truth in the face of Shi'i objections but we must not see them as "enemies" or "outsiders".  Even blood brothers disagree on the most minute or important things.  That does not mean that one must cut ties with the other, especially not the one who is upon truth.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 13, 2020, 10:34:24 PM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Couldn't have agreed more with you!  We must not lose sight of our target; we wish to uphold the truth in the face of Shi'i objections but we must not see them as "enemies" or "outsiders".  Even blood brothers disagree on the most minute or important things.  That does not mean that one must cut ties with the other, especially not the one who is upon truth.

Go say this to the face of a Syrian or Iraqi sunni who has lost their family or property. I know it makes you uncomfortable but Shias are dangerous to Islam; always have been and always will. Sunnis need to understand the evils of shi'i doctrine and the danger they pose. Saying they are brothers is a disservice to Islam
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 13, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
This ideology is worst and far more dangerous than the ideology of the Shi'a.  Such views should be strongly rebuked, and it is rather people who say stuff like this, and not the Shi'a, who should be removed from political power.  I don't know about putting any one in internment camps, but I guess China is where you take your Sunnah from.

Shi'asm is better than this ideology any day of the week.

Shii'sm seeks to exhume the graves of the shaykhain and turn the haramain into a bloodbath of ritualized self-flagellation. If you want, I can provide you a video of Hezbullat fighters talking about eliminating the Sunnis off the face of earth   
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on February 14, 2020, 01:39:17 AM
Go say this to the face of a Syrian or Iraqi sunni who has lost their family or property. I know it makes you uncomfortable but Shias are dangerous to Islam; always have been and always will. Sunnis need to understand the evils of shi'i doctrine and the danger they pose. Saying they are brothers is a disservice to Islam

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Let us not argue from emotions, brother, and also refrain from committing the parts-to-whole fallacy where we apply the actions of a few to an entire demographic.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 14, 2020, 02:11:51 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Let us not argue from emotions, brother, and also refrain from committing the parts-to-whole fallacy where we apply the actions of a few to an entire demographic.

I'm simply paraphrasing what Khomeini said in his book :)
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 14, 2020, 02:45:37 AM
With regards to Allatyari talking about takfeer ideology, in my opinion Sunni countries need to start cracking down on shia minorties. In Pakistan, for example, Qadianis are not considered Muslims by federal law, I think this should be extended to shias as well

Remove them from political office, the military and start putting them in camps

The positive rhetoric towards Abu Bakr and Umar is a political taqqiyah with no sound basis in shiism. The shia forces fighting in Iraq and Syria are thorough anti-sunni. Sunni masajid have been destroyed, people named Umar have been tortured/kill, and plenty of Sahaba cursing

Bro part of your post is literally advocating saffavid style potential genocide treatment but this time it would be sunnis doing it to shias rather than vice versa. That's not right.

There is literally no benefit of them being in camps. There is just negative. You risk adding major sins to your record cos normally when nations start putting people into camps en mass then bad things tend to happen to those people. Do you want to risk hellfire just cos you want to treat the shia how they treat sunni Muslims in Syria & Iraq? Believe me the shia will pay for their crimes one day. But I do not want to become like them and have to answer for the same crimes. We are Muslims and that would not be behaviour befitting of us.

I agree with things like removing them from the army and police forces though yes. That's a sensible idea. Although the pakistani army even allows atheists & qadianis into it's ranks still so it has some work to do.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 14, 2020, 02:54:41 AM
Shii'sm seeks to exhume the graves of the shaykhain and turn the haramain into a bloodbath of ritualized self-flagellation. If you want, I can provide you a video of Hezbullat fighters talking about eliminating the Sunnis off the face of earth

Btw can we have that video? I want to save in my collection. Thanks.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 15, 2020, 01:16:43 AM
Btw can we have that video? I want to save in my collection. Thanks.

Here you go

https://twitter.com/hadeelOueiss/status/634486539347709952?s=20
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 15, 2020, 01:31:56 AM
Bro part of your post is literally advocating saffavid style potential genocide treatment but this time it would be sunnis doing it to shias rather than vice versa. That's not right.

There is literally no benefit of them being in camps. There is just negative. You risk adding major sins to your record cos normally when nations start putting people into camps en mass then bad things tend to happen to those people. Do you want to risk hellfire just cos you want to treat the shia how they treat sunni Muslims in Syria & Iraq? Believe me the shia will pay for their crimes one day. But I do not want to become like them and have to answer for the same crimes. We are Muslims and that would not be behaviour befitting of us.

I agree with things like removing them from the army and police forces though yes. That's a sensible idea. Although the pakistani army even allows atheists & qadianis into it's ranks still so it has some work to do.

I only want shias in camps, but safavid regression seems like a pretty good idea, too :)
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 15, 2020, 02:18:46 AM
I only want shias in camps, but safavid regression seems like a pretty good idea, too :)

We reverse the work of saffavids by doing dawah bro, not by using saffavid methods.

Whats your ethnicity and how old are you?
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 15, 2020, 02:19:44 AM
Here you go

https://twitter.com/hadeelOueiss/status/634486539347709952?s=20

Thanks
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 16, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
We reverse the work of saffavids by doing dawah bro, not by using saffavid methods.

Whats your ethnicity and how old are you?

Ethnically Pashtun and I;m in my 20's
During the war, Iranian backed Hazara rafidis were chopping off the breasts of pashtun sunni women and raping them, my relatives being some of them

Coupled with the repulsiveness of shia beliefs and their history of treachery to Islam, you can see why my views regarding shias would  be, in the colloquial sense, "radical"
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Adil on February 16, 2020, 05:04:50 AM
Ethnically Pashtun and I;m in my 20's
During the war, Iranian backed Hazara rafidis were chopping off the breasts of pashtun sunni women and raping them, my relatives being some of them

Coupled with the repulsiveness of shia beliefs and their history of treachery to Islam, you can see why my views regarding shias would  be, in the colloquial sense, "radical"

This is why I asked for your age and ethnicity. I thought you might be one of those people who the rafidah might've hurt and maybe really young (although it seems your my age).

I'm sorry that happened to your family and the other women of the Muslims. May Allah destroy this wretched sect in our lifetime. Your women are our sisters and your men are our brothers. We share your pain, may Allah grant the victims relief and healing. You have no idea to what end it bothers me when I read about the crimes of the rafidah against our sisters.

Bro we all despise shiaism on here. It is one of the most wretched sects ever to appear. But we are not rafidah, we do not follow their ways by being brutal like this and nor the ways of the communists by building camps and putting millions in them. You are a Muslim who follows the Qur'an and sunnah, you are better than them so be better than them in your actions.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Mythbuster1 on February 16, 2020, 11:44:28 AM
Ethnically Pashtun and I;m in my 20's
During the war, Iranian backed Hazara rafidis were chopping off the breasts of pashtun sunni women and raping them, my relatives being some of them

Coupled with the repulsiveness of shia beliefs and their history of treachery to Islam, you can see why my views regarding shias would  be, in the colloquial sense, "radical"

May Allah swt give you sabr and jannah firdaus for your relatives who were martyred by the terrorist shiites.

Do not hate my young brother our deen destroys the rafidh
This is why I asked for your age and ethnicity. I thought you might be one of those people who the rafidah might've hurt and maybe really young (although it seems your my age).

I'm sorry that happened to your family and the other women of the Muslims. May Allah destroy this wretched sect in our lifetime. Your women are our sisters and your men are our brothers. We share your pain, may Allah grant the victims relief and healing. You have no idea to what end it bothers me when I read about the crimes of the rafidah against our sisters.

Bro we all despise shiaism on here. It is one of the most wretched sects ever to appear. But we are not rafidah, we do not follow their ways by being brutal like this and nor the ways of the communists by building camps and putting millions in them. You are a Muslim who follows the Qur'an and sunnah, you are better than them so be better than them in your actions.

Well said brother 👍
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on February 16, 2020, 07:56:28 PM
Ethnically Pashtun and I;m in my 20's
During the war, Iranian backed Hazara rafidis were chopping off the breasts of pashtun sunni women and raping them, my relatives being some of them

I am Pashtun as well, at least 75%, and while I have heard such stories, there are also similar horrors reported by Hazaras.  So it could be motivated by anything and not just Shiaism alone.


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Coupled with the repulsiveness of shia beliefs and their history of treachery to Islam, you can see why my views regarding shias would  be, in the colloquial sense, "radical"

With all due respect my brother, you resemble PTSD-like symptoms and so your analysis will have to be viewed with that in mind.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Khaled on February 17, 2020, 04:47:36 PM
I only want shias in camps, but safavid regression seems like a pretty good idea, too :)

That's because you take your Sunnah from China and Iran, and not from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.  Which begs the question; what is the difference between you and the Shi'as?
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 19, 2020, 07:07:56 PM
That's because you take your Sunnah from China and Iran, and not from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.  Which begs the question; what is the difference between you and the Shi'as?

One serves Islam and the other serves to destroy Islam from within

I realized a long time ago that Shias and shiism are a tumor within the Muslim Ummah, and they breed like rats. This tumor which spreads like a cancer is a serious danger to the Ummah. No offense, bro, but you are naive if you don't think the rawafidh don't want the Arab sunni arabs and don't want the haramain and don't want the annihilation of Islam/Muslims. In my opinion, even shias who don't know anything about their creed(this is a minority anyways) pose a danger because they put a false perception in the minds of Muslims that these are muslims who we can work with. Unity is simply not possible, and even co-existence is a reach because Iranian hegemony in the Middle East means death for all of us
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 19, 2020, 07:09:48 PM
I am Pashtun as well, at least 75%, and while I have heard such stories, there are also similar horrors reported by Hazaras.  So it could be motivated by anything and not just Shiaism alone.


With all due respect my brother, you resemble PTSD-like symptoms and so your analysis will have to be viewed with that in mind.

I wasn't alive when this happened, so you should not be quick to be diagnosing people. I just gave that out to explain my personal issues with shias
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 19, 2020, 07:16:14 PM
I am Pashtun as well, at least 75%, and while I have heard such stories, there are also similar horrors reported by Hazaras.  So it could be motivated by anything and not just Shiaism alone.

Hazaras are NOT persecuted in Afghanistan. They dominate the military and the govt. and a former VP was a hazara, too. They hate pashtuns in particular. They also honor kill their own kind that become sunni. What you've been told are lies to justify their own evil towards Muslims. You probably don't know this, but when Massoud was defending Kabul, the taliban and hezb i wahdat(Iranian backed rafidi hazaras) allied together against him.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Khaled on February 19, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
*snip*

1) You sound like a typical Islamophobe, "I realized a long time ago that Muslims and Islam are a tumor within China/America/Russie etc, and they breed like rats. This tumor which spreads like a cancer is a serious danger to the rest of the World. No offense, bro, but you are naive if you don't think the Mozlems don't want the etc etc
2) Yes, I am naive to the dangers of Shi'asm and Iran, but I have been on this site for the past 6 years refuting both...
3) You still haven't told me how behaving like China and Iran is following the Sunnah of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم?
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 19, 2020, 11:13:44 PM
1) You sound like a typical Islamophobe, "I realized a long time ago that Muslims and Islam are a tumor within China/America/Russie etc, and they breed like rats. This tumor which spreads like a cancer is a serious danger to the rest of the World. No offense, bro, but you are naive if you don't think the Mozlems don't want the etc etc
2) Yes, I am naive to the dangers of Shi'asm and Iran, but I have been on this site for the past 6 years refuting both...
3) You still haven't told me how behaving like China and Iran is following the Sunnah of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم?


Does Iran seek to establish itself as hegemony over the Sunni Arab lands with the prospects of taking the haramain for itself? Yes or no?

Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on February 20, 2020, 06:33:01 PM
I wasn't alive when this happened, so you should not be quick to be diagnosing people. I just gave that out to explain my personal issues with shias

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I apologize for being too quick to diagnose you but there is also secondary traumatic stress which is duress resulting from firsthand trauma experiences of another.  Anyways, that is neither here nor there and as I said, I apologize for my "diagnosis".



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Hazaras are NOT persecuted in Afghanistan.

Really?  How can I take you seriously when you make such statements?



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They dominate the military and the govt. and a former VP was a hazara, too.

Leaving aside warlords who forced their way to power, or their relatives, do you know that when Afghanistan was enjoying its peaceful years, notably under Zahir Shah and even Daoud Khan (up to an extent), that Shias were not allowed to move up the military ladder beyond a certain rank?  There was no written law but it was understood - I have relatives that quoted Zahir Shah directly saying - that they (Shias) "cannot be trusted" and they will always "have an affinity towards Iran".



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They hate pashtuns in particular. They also honor kill their own kind that become sunni.

What's new?



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You probably don't know this, but when Massoud was defending Kabul, the taliban and hezb i wahdat(Iranian backed rafidi hazaras) allied together against him.

So what?  Dogs from the same ideology fought each other.  Again, what's new?  Unless you believe Massoud was indeed defending Kabul, which he was not, there is nothing more for me to say here.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Khaled on February 20, 2020, 07:37:04 PM

Does Iran seek to establish itself as hegemony over the Sunni Arab lands with the prospects of taking the haramain for itself? Yes or no?

Yes...

Since I answered your question; can you at least answer mine?  بارك الله فيك.
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: Anti_Shia_313 on February 24, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
Good, it seems like he had a good perception of them even then. But my point was referring hazaras in the current US installed regime in Kabul
Title: Re: Shaytanyari Has Spoken the Truth
Post by: muslim720 on March 03, 2020, 05:15:17 PM
The current regime, from those that feign religiosity to those that do not, are far from having any agenda except money.  People usually moan over the current state of Afghanistan by saying things like "the Panjsheris hold power now", "the Hazaras are in control", etc.  Would you do any different, if given the chance?  No!