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Shiachat - Sunnis are not believers

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Shiachat - Sunnis are not believers
« on: December 11, 2019, 11:39:46 PM »
Asalaamualaykum, I was reading shiachat and this thread came up regarding unity.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235064510-unity-efforts-with-the-sunnis-wajib-mustahab-mubah-what-for/

There are views expressed in the thread like this:

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Other than like Ayatollah Khamenei, have any of our other top scholars encouraged us Shias to go out of our way and make efforts for unity with them? What I do know is that according to the mainstraim shi'a view, Sunnis aren't considered "mo'mineen" as they reject the wilayah of Imam Ali (a). In addition to this, I do know that a few of our top scholars have even considered them as kafir and impure. If I'm not wrong, the great Sayyid al Khoei considered Sunnis outwardly tahir/Muslim but spiritually as kafir.

Obviously anyone who reads that can see an obvious problem, for a people who love to call others "takfiri", it's strange that they all happily accept this. It's fine by me, they can accept what they want, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy. They often talk about wanting to pray with us or even being okay with marrying us (well they tend to be okay with marrying naive sunni girls anyway but not vice versa) and they call us sectarian if we dismiss the idea of doing such things with them. But why the heck would we want to pray or give our daughters to people who may see us impure or kafir or as spiritual kafirs?

They had a chance to dismiss this but noone did, in fact a guy went on to comment:

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The most you can find in our literature is we should visit their sick ones, go to their funerals, and pray with them in Salat.

It can be argued that we can support each other with common political goals that benefit Islam.

But in terms of aqeeda, they are their own and we are our own. And yes what you said about not considering them believers and what the scholars have said about their status is true.

Look at the sheer stupidity, if I'm dying then I really don't want a group of people who consider me kafir, whether spiritually or in the next world, near my sickbed or at my funeral and I definitely don't want to pray with them. They seriously see no problem with this.

7 people liked that post, including that Iranian khameinist mod, so it's obvious that this is something that is widely accepted.

What's funny is that they then continue on to comment about sunnis holding bias or negative assumptions:

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The Salafis and most Arab Sunnis will never accept unity anyway because they have way too many negative assumptions about the Shia. This type of bias is deeply rooted, and written in their book for hundreds of years.

They really don't realise why people hold these negative assumptions about the shia. Again they show some kind of victim mentality as if shiaism is being shown undeserving disdain. It's mind boggling that they don't see that sunnis have legitimate problems with shiaism and of course then with shias because shias hold those beleifs. Just reading that thread is proof by itself, if a group of people don't think you're Muslim or you're impure etc... then you aren't exactly going to hold positive thoughts about them and their religion.
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Re: Shiachat - Sunnis are not believers
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 12:00:44 AM »
Walaikum Salam,

Interesting! That is true Imami Shiism for you. Their sect is based on hatred of the Majority of Muslims.

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