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Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams

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Rationalist

Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« on: April 22, 2017, 05:18:44 AM »
In Islam we have to believe in the miracles of Prophets that are mentioned in the Quran and authentic hadith. However, miracles which are not mentioned in the Quran and are not done by Prophets are not binding on the Muslims. Nor can it be used as proof. The other aspect to realize is Prophets have not perform  miracles at their own will. Instead it was at random where Allah willed to miracles to occur and it is only he who willed them to happen instead of Prophets willing it to happen.

Now with the miracles of Imams, here is a case where the 12th Imam has unlimited access to wahi when it comes to being a judge. In fact, the 12er Shia admits that the Mahdi will have more access to wahi than the Prophet (pbuh) himself.

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Rationalist

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2020, 01:30:58 AM »
Soccer what do you think? Here he says the 12th Imam will judge will wahi itself.

Soccer

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2020, 07:29:26 PM »
Miracles in Quran are given due importance and stated in a way they are meant to stay. In fact, there is a verse that says nothing ever prevented God from sending signs but that first ones denied them and that God only sends those type of signs to cause fear.

Miracles aren't meant to be present, the fact, they aren't, means the religion is in a weak defensive state and the word of God is not at it's high stage of manifest truth it's meant to be in.

Ghayba is unnatural state for humans to be in, and it almost appears like God doesn't exist or doesn't care when miracles are not out in the open.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 05:25:20 PM »
What's your opinion on the 12er Shia alim saying the Mahdi will have access to wahi when it comes to judgement?

Soccer

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2020, 05:51:00 PM »
I don't know enough to comment on that.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2020, 07:32:03 PM »
I don't know enough to comment on that.
The Mahdi hadith are exaugurated by both Sunnis and Shia sects.

Soccer

Re: Special Powers presented by Prophets and Imams
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2020, 05:34:46 PM »
The Mahdi hadith are exaugurated by both Sunnis and Shia sects.

The Mahdi is the most repeated warning in Quran (more then the day of judgment).  The fact you haven't payed attention to how the Quran talks about the Mahdi, with all the conditional prophecies, and situations he can find himself in relating to the phases of the Prophet's (s) life, is not God's faults you don't see.

You don't fight to break the sorcery and see with mental clarity what most of the Quran is about. 

His mission is the hardest of all tasks, but despite what Shiites say,  it's not a guaranteed success. Yes, justice will be served, but justice can be the situation in Chapter Yaseen, one believer, rest perish.

Yes, the righteous will rule the earth, but on what terms?

All cities and civilizations can be destroyed for all we know, this is one of the conditional prophecies possible in the Quran.

Also, if believers gain victory, and we win, it's also possible most of humanity enters the religion due to that.

What is for sure, if we do nothing, it's as God says "if you don't do it, there will be great fitna and much corruption/havoc in the land".

There is two ways of waiting. Disbelievers always anticipate mockingly, "let it happen, it will never happen, we will reject God's Signs and Messengers and nothing will happen - but go ahead bring it if you are truthful" which is a condition they won't believe no matter what or until they are destroyed and it's too late.

The believers wait wanting victory but as far as the punishment goes,  when the Mahdi (a) comes out, they will fear it because the believers are caring people despite all the hate they get from others, they are afraid of their people and cities being destroyed.   So when the hour comes in this sense, the believers greatly fear it while the disbelievers will mockingly hasten it, as did many perished people did.

If we can convince humans to take the Mahdi (a) seriously, accept miracles, and not accuse him of sorcery or alien tech or being a tool of demons with great powers or possessed and controlled by them, then they will be spared.

God doesn't even put the terms humans have to believe when miracles shown. All he wants in them to fear enough:

(1) To give the Messenger a chance to explain himself and convince them he is God's representative and explain why miracles are proofs.
(2) To not prosecute believers and stop oppressing them.

In fact, if 2 is done,  God would not destroy.   

When God tries people with harm, we got to convince people, to repent and accept it.  But with all the damn movies, and shows, about people with top power, I already see it, they gonna paint the Mahdi (a) as a great sorcerer or with great technology that must be defeated.  It's already hinted in so many movies and shows, that this is the stance, people are incepted with.

We have to convince people even now, despite them not being in the open, that miracles are proofs, and even distinguish between miracles and what can be work of magic or technology.

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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