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Title: Authenticity of this version of Hadith Ghadir Khum
Post by: Abubakar on October 04, 2015, 02:52:08 PM
What is the authenticity of this hadith ?
18502 - ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﻋﺒﺪ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﻲ ﺃﺑﻲ ﺛﻨﺎ
ﻋﻔﺎﻥ ﺛﻨﺎ ﺣﻤﺎﺩ ﺑﻦ ﺳﻠﻤﺔ ﺃﻧﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺑﻦ ﺯﻳﺪ
ﻋﻦ ﻋﺪﻯ ﺑﻦ ﺛﺎﺑﺖ ﻋﻦ ﺍﻟﺒﺮﺍﺀ ﺑﻦ ﻋﺎﺯﺏ ﻗﺎﻝ
: ﻛﻨﺎ ﻣﻊ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ
ﻓﻲ ﺳﻔﺮ ﻓﻨﺰﻟﻨﺎ ﺑﻐﺪﻳﺮ ﺧﻢ ﻓﻨﻮﺩﻱ ﻓﻴﻨﺎ
ﺍﻟﺼﻼﺓ ﺟﺎﻣﻌﺔ ﻭﻛﺴﺢ ﻟﺮﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ
ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﺗﺤﺖ ﺷﺠﺮﺗﻴﻦ ﻓﺼﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻈﻬﺮ
ﻭﺃﺧﺬ ﺑﻴﺪ ﻋﻠﻲ ﺭﺿﻲ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺗﻌﺎﻟﻰ ﻋﻨﻪ ﻓﻘﺎﻝ
ﺃﻟﺴﺘﻢ ﺗﻌﻠﻤﻮﻥ ﺍﻧﻰ ﺃﻭﻟﻰ ﺑﺎﻟﻤﺆﻣﻨﻴﻦ ﻣﻦ
ﺃﻧﻔﺴﻬﻢ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﺑﻠﻰ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﻟﺴﺘﻢ ﺗﻌﻠﻤﻮﻥ ﺍﻧﻰ
ﺃﻭﻟﻰ ﺑﻜﻞ ﻣﺆﻣﻦ ﻣﻦ ﻧﻔﺴﻪ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﺑﻠﻰ ﻗﺎﻝ
ﻓﺄﺧﺬ ﺑﻴﺪ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻣﻦ ﻛﻨﺖ ﻣﻮﻻﻩ ﻓﻌﻠﻲ
ﻣﻮﻻﻩ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﻭﺍﻝ ﻣﻦ ﻭﺍﻻﻩ ﻭﻋﺎﺩ ﻣﻦ ﻋﺎﺩﺍﻩ
ﻗﺎﻝ ﻓﻠﻘﻴﻪ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺫﻟﻚ ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻫﻨﻴﺌﺎ ﻳﺎ ﺑﻦ
ﺃﺑﻲ ﻃﺎﻟﺐ ﺃﺻﺒﺤﺖ ﻭﺃﻣﺴﻴﺖ ﻣﻮﻟﻰ ﻛﻞ
ﻣﺆﻣﻦ ﻭﻣﺆﻣﻨﺔ
ﺗﻌﻠﻴﻖ ﺷﻌﻴﺐ ﺍﻷﺭﻧﺆﻭﻁ : ﺻﺤﻴﺢ ﻟﻐﻴﺮﻩ
Paraphrased as ‘Bara’ ibn Aazeb
narrates that,we were travelling with
Rasuul[sawa] and when we go to
Ghadeer Khum.Rasuul ordered us to
perform salat in congregation. A
place was prepared for Rasuul[sawa]
between or under two trees and Zuhr
was said or performed.After the
prayer,Rasuul held the hand of Ali[ra]
and asked twice ‘Do you know that I
am nearer than the lives of the
believers to themselves? All of them
said: yes, O Messenger of Allāh!
Then holding the hands of Ali he
said: one who has me as his
MASTER has this (Alī) as his
MASTER. O Allāh! Befriend him who
befriends him (Alī) and be his enemy
who is his (Alī’s) enemy.
Then After Umar[ra] said Bravo ,the
son of Abu Talib[Ali] you woke up
this morning and by its evening you
have become the MASTER of every
believing man and woman’’
[Musnad Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal
with Tehqeeq of Shu’ayb al-Arnauot
(volume 4), Hadith # 18502]

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Title: Re: Authenticity of the Hadith
Post by: Farid on October 04, 2015, 04:03:48 PM
Wa alaykum alsalam,

Ali bin Zaid bin Jud'aan is weak brother.
Title: Re: Authenticity of this version of Hadith Ghadir Khum
Post by: Abdullah Efendi on October 11, 2015, 04:12:17 PM
It was reported from Bara ibn Azeeb (r.a):

“We were in the company of the Messenger of Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) when we camped at Ghadir Khumm. The call for congregational prayers was made. The site of two trees was chosen and it was swept clean. He performed the noon-time prayers then took `Ali by the hand and asked the crowd: `Do you not know that I have more authority over the believers than the believers themselves have?’ They answered: `Yes we do.’ He asked: `Do you know that I have more authority over every believer than the believer himself has?’ They answered in the affirmative; then he took `Ali’s hand and said: `Whoever has accepted me as his master this `Ali is his master; O Lord! Befriend whoever befriends him and be the enemy of whoever chooses to be his enemy.’ `Umer met him immediately following that and said to him: `Congratulations to you son of Abu Talib! You have become at dawn and at sunset the master of every believing man and woman.'”

We seen many shias who use this hadith as an evidence.

It was transmitted by ibn Askakir in “Tarih” (42/221), Ahmad in “Musnad”  and “Fadhail” (1016), Thalabi in “Kashf wal bayan” (5/131), Ajurri “Shariah” (1480)  and ibn Abu Shayba in “Musannaf” with little difference.

All of them transmitted it via Ali ibn Zayd ibn Jadan. Weak rafidi in accordance to almost majority of all scholars.
Ahmad said: Weak. Ibn Main said: He is nothing. Ijli said: Not strong. Bukhari and Abu Hatim said: Not to be rely upon. ibn Khuzayma said: Not to be rely upon due to weakness of his memory. Fasawi said: Use to mix reports when became old. (Sourse Mizanul Itidal 3/#5844)

Wa Allahu Alam.