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Ibn Yahya

Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« on: February 17, 2016, 04:18:32 PM »
Is this Hadith authentic?
Abu Bakr’s admission of his mistakes on his death bed
As proof we shall cite:
Tareekh Tabari Volume 2 page 24
Kanz al Khitab al Khilafath ma al Maar Volume 3 page 135
Al Imama wa al Siyasa Volume 1 page 18, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr
Murujh al Dhahab Volume 2 page 308 Dhikr Khilafath Abu Bakr
Iqd al Fareed, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr Volume 2 page 208
We read in Tabari:
Abu Bakr said ‘I did three things that I now regret, they are:

That I failed to show respect towards the house of Fatima
I did not burn Fajaf Salmah
At Saqifa I transferred Khilafath to Abu Ubaydah or Umar

There are three things that I wish I had done:

When Asheesh bin Qays was brought before me as prisoner I should have had him killed

When I sent Khalid bin Waleed to the Land of the Kuffar I should have turned him in the direction of Zay Qasa

When sending Khalid to Syria I should have sent Umar to Iraq

I regret that I did not get clarification from Rasulullah (s) on three matters:

Whether the Ansar had a share in the Khilafath

Who would succeed him (s) as Khalifa

The inheritance of an aunt and nephew
tareekh_altabari_v2_page 619

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Re: Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 07:07:27 PM »
The chain of this report has serious defect, and this report is a pure fabrication.

It was narrated by al-Uqayli in “Duafa al-kabir” (3/420, shamela), ibn Asakir in his history (30/422), Tabarani in “Mojam al-kabir”, Tabari in history (2/619) via chain that contains Ulwan ibn Dawud al-Bajli.

Bukhari and Abu Saeed ibn Yunus said about him: “Munkar al-hadith”. Al-Uqayli said: “He has ahadeth that couldn’t be relied upon, and which are not known except by him” (“Mizanul itidal” 3/108/#5763). Sa’eed bin Ufair, his student, referred to him as a zaaqool (a thief).

Imam Al-Bukhari said, “Everyone I refer to as munkar al-hadith, then it is not permissible to narrate from him.”

Al-Shaikh Abd Al-Azeez Sadhan comments, “One of the harshest terms that Al-Bukhari uses in jarh and ta’deel is him saying about a narrator: Munkar al-hadith.”

Al-Heythami in “Majmau zawaid” (#9030) said that it was narrated by Tabarani, and in the chain Ulwan ibn Dawud, and he’s weak.
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

Farid

Re: Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 08:30:40 PM »
Quote
Tareekh Tabari Volume 2 page 24
Kanz al Khitab al Khilafath ma al Maar Volume 3 page 135
Al Imama wa al Siyasa Volume 1 page 18, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr
Murujh al Dhahab Volume 2 page 308 Dhikr Khilafath Abu Bakr
Iqd al Fareed, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr Volume 2 page 208

I want you to know how the game is played.

Only Tareekh Al Tabari is a gpod source. The rest have no chains. Heck, we don't even know who wrote Al Imamah wal Siyasa.

Shias are good at mentioning many sources. However, in most cases, the sources are either worthless or they are secondary sources that are quoting one primary source.

Hadrami

Re: Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 11:38:26 PM »
Quote
Tareekh Tabari Volume 2 page 24
Kanz al Khitab al Khilafath ma al Maar Volume 3 page 135
Al Imama wa al Siyasa Volume 1 page 18, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr
Murujh al Dhahab Volume 2 page 308 Dhikr Khilafath Abu Bakr
Iqd al Fareed, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr Volume 2 page 208

I want you to know how the game is played.

Only Tareekh Al Tabari is a gpod source. The rest have no chains. Heck, we don't even know who wrote Al Imamah wal Siyasa.

Shias are good at mentioning many sources. However, in most cases, the sources are either worthless or they are secondary sources that are quoting one primary source.

If they could, they would fill the whole page with "references". I guess for shia, 1 weak narration repeated many times in other books will make it a strong narration. That's how they come up with their hocus pocus belief. Let's make up narration about a pig can fly with 200 references. Im sure shia will believe in that BS too :D

Hani

Re: Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 01:21:47 AM »
One of the narrations about `Umar threatening to burn the house if they keep gathering in it and refusing to pay allegiance says that `Ali told Abu Bakr that he was indeed the most worthy of leadership.

قَالُوا: مَا كَانَ أَحَدٌ أَحَقَّ بِهَا، وَلا أَوْلَى بِهَا مِنْكَ، وَلَكِنَّا قَدْ عَهِدْنَا مِنْ عُمَرَ يَبْتَزُّنَا أَمْرَنَا
« Last Edit: February 18, 2016, 05:49:55 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ibn Yahya

Re: Abu Bakr's admission Hadith
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 08:49:45 AM »
I kind of assumed it would have some kind of defect. Whenever the Rawafid add like 10 unnecessary and pointless references it's usually to make it seem mutawatir when really it's not

 

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