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Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?

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Optimus Prime

Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« on: May 05, 2015, 07:29:54 PM »
As per the title. I was told on HCY that the narration is weak, but I don't think this one is from the same source. It's different, and I was wondering if someone can confirm it's authentic?

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?85135-Fatima-(ra)-hated-Abu-bakr-(ra)-!&p=735566&viewfull=1#post735566

The user is adamant it's authentic, but I'm not so sure.

Here is the narration:

 صلى أبو بكر رضي الله عنه على فاطمة بنت رسول الله فكبر عليها أربعًا
 
Hammad narrate from Ibrahim Nakhi that Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] lead salah-e-Janaza of Bibi Fatima Bint Muhammad[ra] with four Takbeers [ Tabqaat(Ibn Saad) Vol 8, Page 16]
 
4) When Hz. Fatima[ra] died Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] and Hz. Umar[ra] came, Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] asked Hz. Ali[ra] to lead prayer, Hz.Ali[ra] declined and said in presence of Khalifa of RasoolAllah[saw] how can I.
 
[ Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal Vol 6 page 318, narrated through Khatib from Baqir]
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 07:33:33 PM by Imam Ali »

Hani

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 07:57:27 PM »
Ibrahim al-Nakha`i wasn't born in the time of Abu Bakr.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 10:35:14 PM »
Ibrahim al-Nakha`i wasn't born in the time of Abu Bakr.

So, you're saying it's a fabrication?

What about the first source? Tabwaat (Ibn Saad)?

Hani

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 02:59:16 PM »
I'm not saying it's a fabrication, I'm just saying weak because of disconnection.

And that is the Ibn Sa`d one.

As for the names of sources, they're all incorrect.

"Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal"

His name is al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and his book is Kanz-ul-`Ummal.

عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 03:34:21 PM »
I'm not saying it's a fabrication, I'm just saying weak because of disconnection.

And that is the Ibn Sa`d one.

As for the names of sources, they're all incorrect.

"Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal"

His name is al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and his book is Kanz-ul-`Ummal.



Thanks for clarifying.

What about the narration from the other source, Kanz-ul-`Ummal?

Is it the same narration?


Hani

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 07:10:46 PM »
no, but i know its weak.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Farid

Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 07:45:36 PM »
Brother, Kanz Al-Ummal is a very late source. Here, he is quoting a book called Ruwat Malik by Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadi, which is unfortunately lost.

Basically, the narration is from Malik from Ja'afar Al-Sadiq from his father. However, we do not have the chain from Al-Khateeb to Imam Malik.

 

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