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Moin

Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« on: August 09, 2014, 10:44:48 AM »
Bismillah

Continuing from here: http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=17965 [uptill hadith no.64]

Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 10:48:10 AM »
Narration - 65
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"Ata Ibn Yasar, who says that a certain person came to Aisha and began to use impudent and abusive words for Ali while Ammar, was in her presence. She said to him: "As regards Ali, I have nothing to tell you, but as regards Ammar, I have heard the Messenger of Allah saying about him that if he has to make a choice between two things he will always choose that which is better from the point of view of good guidance and salvation."
Sunni reference: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v6, p113


Imam Ahmad related it in his Musnad (24820) through Abdullah bin Habeeb from Habeeb bin Abi Thaabit from ‘Ataa bin Yasaar. This Isnad was authenticated by Sh Shu’aib Arnaut on the condition of Muslim.

Tirmidhi (3799), Nasai in “Al-Kubra” (8218), Ibn Maajah (148) and Haakim in “al-Mustadrak” (5665) have narrated this through Abdul-‘Aziz bin Sayaah from Habeeb from ‘Ataa in brief without mentioning anything about Ali (ra).

Note – The translated portion ((..and began to use impudent and abusive words for ‘Ali..)) is not accurate. The Arabic word “waqa’a” is used in general to describe any kind of criticism and negative speech regardless of it being abuse or impudent word. So it could have been any kind of criticism and not necessarily abusive word. The accuracy should be maintained while translating narrations especially when it is used as an allegation against someone. And Allah knows besr.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2014, 10:50:30 AM by Moin »

Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 10:53:10 AM »
Narration - 66

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The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) beckoned to Ali to come close. He came close until he sat between him and Aisha, and he and the Prophet (PBUH&HF) were clung together. She said to him "Can you not find a seat for this one except on my thigh?"
Sunni reference: Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v9, p195

I could not find any Isnad which has the wording of ‘Aisha (ra) mentioning “thigh” in it. However, Ibn Hajar said in Al-Isabah (8/307): Al-‘Uqaili has narrated in the entry of Musa bin Al-Qasim in “Ad-Du’afa” and Ibn Mandah as a narration of Ali bin Hashim bin Al-Bareed: My father narrated to me: Musa bin Qasim narrated to me: Laila al-Ghifariyah narrated to me, she said, “I used to go into battle along with the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) where I used to treat those got wounded and would take care of ill people. When Ali (ra) went out for Basrah I also came out in his support. So when I saw ‘Aisha I came to her and asked, “Have you heard anything from the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) regarding the merit of Ali?” She said, “Yes, once Ali came to the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) wearing a velvet cloth while he was with me and sat between us. I said, “Do you not find any other place with enough space than this?” So the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said, “O ‘Aisha, Leave alone my brother for me…” Till the end.
Al-‘Uqaili has narrated it in “Al-Du’afa” (4/166). It has the following defects:
1.   It contains Abu Salt Al-Harawi who was accused of fabricating hadith on Ali bin Musa Al-Ridha, the eighth Imam of Twelvers.
2.   Musa bin al-Qasim was unknown. Al-‘Uqaili has listed him among “Du’afa” and quoted Al-Bukhari’s disparagement of his narration.
Al-Dhahabi said regarding the Isnad, “Its chain is dark.” [Meezan (4/217)]

Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 10:56:47 AM »
Narration - 67

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Ibn Abil Hadid also reported that one day the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) was walking with Imam Ali and the conversation became prolonged. Aisha approached as she was walking from behind until she came between them saying: "What is it between you two that you are taking so long?" Upon this the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) became angry.
Sunni reference: Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v9, p195

Ibn Abil Hadeed mentioned it as a statement of Yusuf bin Isma’eel Al-Lam’ani, one of his Mu’tazali Shaikh, who mentioned it while describing the conflict between ‘Aisha (ra) and ‘Ali (ra) without Isnad.

Note – Mu’atazalites are not to be relied on when they attribute something to someone in the form of narration. They would not mind relying on dogs and monkeys if it suits their preinstalled notions. The long speech of Al-Lam’ani quoted by Ibn Abi al-Hadeed shows that he was a retarded person.


Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 04:58:01 PM »
Narration - 68

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He also said about him: "Whoever loves Ali has loved me, and whoever hates Ali has hated me." (al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p130 who said this Tradition is authentic as set by the two standards of Muslim and Bukhari).

Al-Haakim (no.4648) reported it through Sa’eed bin Aus Al-Ansari from ‘Auf from Abu ‘Uthman An-Nahdi that a person asked Salman al-Farasi, “What is this intense love of ‘Ali from you?” He said, “I heard the messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam)…alhadith”. All of its narrators are trustworthy.
Its narrators are as follow:
1.   Ahmad bin ‘Uthman bin Yahya al-‘Atashi al-Adami al-Muqri (d.349): He was trustworthy as per the declaration of Al-Barqani and Khateeb. [Tarikh al-Islam (7/871)]
2.   Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Yazeed bin Abil ‘Awwam ar-Riyahi: He was declared Saduq by Ad-Daarqutni. Ibn Hibban listed him among Thiqaat. Maslamah bin Qasim said that he was Thiqah. Ibn ‘Uqdah reports from Abdullah bin Ahmad that he was Saduq. [Ath-Thiqat by Qasim bin Qatloobagha (8/163)]
3.   Sa’eed bin Aws Abu Zaid al-Ansari: Ibn Ma’eed and Abu Hatim said Saduq. Salih Jazarah said Thiqah. [Tahdheeb al-Kamal (10/330-337)]
4.   Awf al-A’rabi: He was declared Thiqah by Ahmad bin Hanbal, Yahya bin Ma’een and An-Nasai. [Tahdheeb al-Kamal (22/437-441)]
5.   Abu ‘Uthman An-Nahdi: He was from the senior-most Tab’een.
Al-Hakim declared it authentic. This narration was also reported by Ash-Shajari in his Amaali through a weak chain going back to Sa’eed bin Aws. [Al-Eema ila zawa’id al-Amaali wa al-Ajza (3/29)]
The same wording has also been reported as a narration of Um Salamah (ra). At-Tabarani in “Al-Kabeer” (23/380), Abu Tahir Al-Mukhallis in Fawaid (3/150, no.2193) and Ibn ‘Asakir in his Tarikh (42/270-271) through Abu Jabir from Hakam bin Muhammad from Fitr from Abu Tufayl from Um Salamah (ra)…alhadith.
Shaikh Al-Albani declared the Isnad of the hadith of Umm Salamah to be Sahih. [As-Saheehah (1299)]

Hani

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 11:21:36 PM »
Brother Muhammad, I'd like to ask about this "shiite encyclopedia", How is it organized and what is your Manhaj in refuting it? So that we can understand how you're going about this.


JazakAllah Khayr.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2014, 07:26:34 AM »
I made it clear when I started it first on Multaqa Ahl al-Hadith. My intention was to analyze only the narration present in it. I did not wish to refute it as it would have been more time consuming. Besides half of the refutation task is done with the Takhreej process as most of their claims are based on these narrations. These narrations are also commong among different shia authors. If you want to have a look at shia encyclopedia then see here: http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team

Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2014, 11:11:31 AM »
Narration - 69
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The companions used to say: "We recognized the hypocrites by their hatred of Ali." (Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p639, Tradition #1086; al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p47; al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v3, p242; Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, p91)
It has been reported from the narration of Abu Sa’eed, Jabir bin Abdullah and Abu Dharr.

The statement of Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri has been reported by Tirmidhi in Sunan (3717) through Ja’far bin Sulaiman from Abu Harun al-‘Abdi from Abu Sa’eed…alhadith. Tirmidhi said after it “This is Ghareeb. Shu’bah has spoken against Abu Harun”.
Imam Ahmad has related it in Fadhail as-Sahabah (979) through Israeel from A’amash from Abu Saleh from Abu Sa’eed. Wasiyullah ‘Abbas the annotator of Fadhail as-Sahabah has declared it Sahih.

As for the statement of Jabir then it was reported by Abdullah bin Ahmad in Fadhail (1086) and Al-Bazzar (Kashf al-Astar 2560) through Muhammad bin ‘Ali as-Sulami from Abdullah bin Muhammad bin ‘Aqeel from Jabir bin Abdullah. The annotator of Fadhail as-Sahabah viz. Wasiyullah ‘Abbas has declared this to be Hasan.
Abu Bakr al-Qatee’i reports it in his additions to Fadhail (1146) as a narration of Mu’awiyah bin ‘Ammar from Abu Zubair from Jabir but its Isnad contains Abdul Malik bin ‘Abd Rabbihi who was extremely weak.
Tabrani reports the statement of Jabir (ra) in “Al-Awsat” (4151) through Muhammad bin Hassan al-Khazzaz from ‘Amr bin Thabit from ‘Imran bin Sulaiman from Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin ‘Ali from Jabir. This is defective due to the presence of (1) Muhammad bin Hassan al-Khazzaz who was declared to be a liar by Abu Hatim and Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah bin Numair [al-Jarh w al-Ta’deel (7/238)] and (2) ‘Amr bin Thabit who was weak and an extremist Rafidhi [Mizan (3/249)].

The statement of Abu Dharr (ra) was reported by Abu ‘Abdullah al-Hakim in “Al-Mustadrak” (4643) and al-Khateeb in “Al-Muttafaq wa al-Muftariq” (1/434) through Ishaq bin Bishr al-Kahili that he heard from Shareek from Qais bin Muslim from Abu ‘Abdullah al-Jadali from Abu Dharr that he said, “We would not recognize a hypocrite except through their falsification of Allah and His Messenger, their absence from the (congregational) prayer and their hate for ‘Ali, May Allah be pleased with him.” Al-Hakim declared it authentic on the condition Muslim but Al-Dhahabi contradicted him by saying, “Ishaq bin Bishr was accused of lying.” His entry could be read in books like Meezan al-I’tidal and al-Kamil.
In conclusion, this statement is authentically proven from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri. The narration of Jabir is also good to be quoted. But this is not established as a statement of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari. And Allah knows best.

Hani

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 01:44:37 PM »
When do you think you will be done bro? We'd love to gather all of these into one English PDF, well presented and well organized, then upload it on all of our websites so that everyone can get it.


Do you still have much to go? Or is it almost finished?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 03:21:58 PM »
When do you think you will be done bro? We'd love to gather all of these into one English PDF, well presented and well organized, then upload it on all of our websites so that everyone can get it.


Do you still have much to go? Or is it almost finished?

I think the brother has reached this section so far:
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/muawiyah-and-abusing-imam-ali

Am I right bro Moin?
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میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
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Moin

Re: Analysis of Narrations from "A Shi'ite Encyclopedia"
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2014, 11:03:31 PM »
When do you think you will be done bro? We'd love to gather all of these into one English PDF, well presented and well organized, then upload it on all of our websites so that everyone can get it.


Do you still have much to go? Or is it almost finished?

I think the brother has reached this section so far:
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/muawiyah-and-abusing-imam-ali

Am I right bro Moin?

there is much to go but Insha Allah my target is to reach 100 of them first..

 

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