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Ibn Yahya

Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« on: November 06, 2015, 10:50:31 PM »


 Musnaf Abdur-Razzak 11/453, Hadith No. 20983:

أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن بن طاووس عن أبيه قال دخل بن عباس على معاوية فقال له إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب فقال بن عباس لا ولا على ملة بن عفان

Abdur-Razzak - Mu'amar - Ibn Tawus - his father, who said: Ibn Abbas entered upon Mu'awiyah, and Mu'awiyah said to him: "I see you practising the religion of Ibn Abi Talib (i.e. Imam Ali)". Ibn Abbas answered: "No, I do not practise the religion of Ibn Affan (i.e. Uthman)!

 

Khaled

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2015, 10:54:56 PM »

*snip*

http://gift2shias.com/2010/07/20/hadith-ibn-abbas-entering-upon-moawiyah/

Quote
Here hadith in complete form:

20983 – أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن بن طاووس عن أبيه قال دخل بن عباس على معاوية فقال له إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب فقال بن عباس لا ولا على ملة بن عفان قال طاووس يعني ملة محمد صلى الله عليه و سلم ليست لأحد

He cut red marked part, where written: Tawos (one of the narrators) said: “It’s mean nation (religion) of Muhammad sallahu alaihi wa sallam, doesn’t belong to one”.

By such answer, ibn Abbas showed that it’s incorrect to ascribe nation (religion) to anyone except Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam), people could err, moslems could fight against each other, but their religion would remain the same, the one and only, religion of beloved prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam).

Honestly, all one really needs is just ONE of these deceptive narrations to show the insincerity of Shi'i polemicists
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Husayn

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 11:22:03 PM »


 Musnaf Abdur-Razzak 11/453, Hadith No. 20983:

أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن بن طاووس عن أبيه قال دخل بن عباس على معاوية فقال له إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب فقال بن عباس لا ولا على ملة بن عفان

Abdur-Razzak - Mu'amar - Ibn Tawus - his father, who said: Ibn Abbas entered upon Mu'awiyah, and Mu'awiyah said to him: "I see you practising the religion of Ibn Abi Talib (i.e. Imam Ali)". Ibn Abbas answered: "No, I do not practise the religion of Ibn Affan (i.e. Uthman)!

 

Better translation:

Mu'awiyah said to him: "I see you practising the religion of Ibn Abi Talib (i.e. Imam Ali)". Ibn Abbas answered: "No, I do not practise theNo, and neither religion of Ibn Affan (i.e. Uthman)!

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Meaning he said "I don't follow religion of Ali OR 'Uthman."
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Hani

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2015, 11:25:52 PM »
Dude they're joking.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Husayn

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 01:20:50 AM »
Dude they're joking.

Probably - I doubt the Rafidah will interpret it that way though.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Ibn Yahya

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2015, 03:09:47 AM »
Wow I mean this is a low even for the Rafidah.

Optimus Prime

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2015, 03:56:59 AM »
Is it authentic?

Rationalist

Re: Hadith says 'Uthman's and 'Ali's religions were different
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2015, 07:44:59 AM »
Only a jahil would interpret that at a takfiri level. All he is saying is that he doesn't do taqleed.

 

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