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is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« on: February 24, 2015, 01:20:23 AM »
assalamualaikum,
is this hadith authentic ??

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said, 'Do not curse my Companions. A people will come at the end of time who will curse my Companions. Do not join them and do not join with them and do not marry them and do not sit in their assemblies. If they are ill, do not visit them.' (ash-Shifaa, Qadi Iyad رحمه الله)




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Hani

Re: is this hadith authentic ??
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2015, 02:24:15 AM »
I doubt this Hadith in this wording is authentic, I know it is authentic with a different wording that does not contain the part about marrying them or accompanying them.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: is this hadith authentic ??
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2015, 09:36:08 AM »
The wording of do not marry them or accompany them or sit with them etc is authentic.
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Farid

Re: is this hadith authentic ??
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2015, 02:05:22 PM »
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The wording of do not marry them or accompany them or sit with them etc is authentic.

Proof? Source?

Optimus Prime

Re: is this hadith authentic ??
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2015, 03:44:53 PM »
I doubt this Hadith in this wording is authentic, I know it is authentic with a different wording that does not contain the part about marrying them or accompanying them.

Can you quote the Hadith with the different wording?

Hani

Re: is this hadith authentic ??
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2015, 05:56:48 PM »
It's in Bukhari and Muslim probably, google "Do not curse my companions".
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2015, 06:30:31 PM »

Can you quote the Hadith with the different wording?



عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي، فَلَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَبًا مَا بَلَغَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلاَ نَصِيفَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ جَرِيرٌ وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ دَاوُدَ وَأَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ وَمُحَاضِرٌ عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ‏.‏

Narrated Abu Sa`id al-Khudri:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah's Cause) it would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them."


Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3673
In-book reference    : Book 62, Hadith 23
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 22
  (deprecated numbering scheme)

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/23


عَنْ أَبِي، هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي فَوَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَبًا مَا أَدْرَكَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلاَ نَصِيفَهُ ‏"‏

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

Do not revile my Companions, do not revile my Companions. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if one amongst you would have spent as much gold as Uhud it would not amount to as much as one much on behalf of one of them or half of it.

Reference    : Sahih Muslim 2540
In-book reference    : Book 44, Hadith 316
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Book 31, Hadith 6167
  (deprecated numbering scheme)

http://sunnah.com/muslim/44/316
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Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2015, 01:41:24 AM »

Can you quote the Hadith with the different wording?



عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي، فَلَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَبًا مَا بَلَغَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلاَ نَصِيفَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ جَرِيرٌ وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ دَاوُدَ وَأَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ وَمُحَاضِرٌ عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ‏.‏

Narrated Abu Sa`id al-Khudri:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah's Cause) it would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them."


Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3673
In-book reference    : Book 62, Hadith 23
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 22
  (deprecated numbering scheme)

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/23


عَنْ أَبِي، هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي فَوَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَبًا مَا أَدْرَكَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلاَ نَصِيفَهُ ‏"‏

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

Do not revile my Companions, do not revile my Companions. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if one amongst you would have spent as much gold as Uhud it would not amount to as much as one much on behalf of one of them or half of it.

Reference    : Sahih Muslim 2540
In-book reference    : Book 44, Hadith 316
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Book 31, Hadith 6167
  (deprecated numbering scheme)

http://sunnah.com/muslim/44/316


Jazak'Allah.

Muhammad Habib

Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 12:58:14 PM »
What's about the authenticity of other part of narration regarding marriage and their company?

Taha

Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 07:35:30 PM »
It doesn't make sense. Sahabah-cursers have been around since the death of the Rasul (ص), not really the end of time.

But either way, their rewards get increased every time someone curses them, innit?

Hani

Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 08:58:58 PM »
^ Some Sahabah were cursed DURING the time of the Prophet (saw) and he simply told them to not be foul mouthed nor to curse his companions.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Rationalist

Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2015, 01:35:18 AM »
It doesn't make sense. Sahabah-cursers have been around since the death of the Rasul (ص), not really the end of time.

But either way, their rewards get increased every time someone curses them, innit?
You need to understand there is a difference between a sahaba who are praised in the Quran and the ones who became sahaba after that. Also, there is difference between those who accepted Islam after the conquest of Mecca.

عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ ، . قَالَ: كَانَ بَيْنَ خَالِدِ بْنِ الْوَلِيدِ وَبَيْنَ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَـنِ بْنِ عَوْفٍ شَيْءٌ. فَسَبَّهُ خَالِدٌ. فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ «لاَ تَسُبُّوا أَحَداً مِنْ أَصْحَابِي ، فَإِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ لَوْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَباً، مَا أَدْرَكَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلاَ نَصِيفَهُ

There is this ahadith in Muslim which says
(On the authority of Abu Sa'eed Khudri, said: There was a thing between Khalid bin Al Walid and Abdur Rahman bin Awf. Khalid slandered him. Rasoolul'Allah said: Do not slander/curse/abuse any of my companions. If one of you were to spend like the mountain of Uhud worth of gold, would stil not catch up with a handful or even half a handful of one of their contribution).



Hani

Re: is this hadith authentic ?? | Do not curse my companions...
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2015, 01:55:08 AM »
^ This shows that even though some of them have clear sins recorded in some narrations, yet this must not be taken as an excuse to condemn them to hell-fire as their good deeds might have been greater in quality and quantity than their bad ones.

This is something only Allah knows.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

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