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`Ali: Abu Bakr is the bravest of people

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Optimus Prime

`Ali: Abu Bakr is the bravest of people
« on: November 15, 2015, 08:01:05 PM »
Asalamualaikum,.

You once posted this narration on Sunniforum a few years ago:

Muhammad ibn ‘Aqil says:

‘Ali made a Sermon to us and he said: “O people, Who was the bravest among the people?” We said: “You O Ameerul Mu’minin”, He said: “That is Abu Bakr (radiyallahu ‘anhu), when we were on the day of Badr we placed a cover for Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) to shade him and we said: ‘Who will stand near him When the Mushriks come seeking him and would prevent them’? Abu Bakr was the one who stood up and he raised his sword above his head whenever a person came near Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) he would strike them with it…

(He continues in a long Hadith) Then `Ali asked his companions: By Allah I ask you, which of the two is best? A believer from the family of Pharaoh or Abu Bakr? The people remained silent, `Ali then Said: By Allah Abu Bakr is much better than a believer from the folk of Pharaoh, That was a man who kept his belief hidden in his heart but Abu Bakr had openly announced his Iman”

source: Mustadrak al-Hakim

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?104798-Karbala&p=906251&viewfull=1#post906251

Is this sahih?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2015, 10:25:46 PM by Hani »

Hani

Re: FAO: Hani
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 10:24:34 PM »
No, maybe there's some Tadlees.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hani

Re: FAO: Hani
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 10:25:19 PM »
Also please write descriptive titles to your threads, "FAO Hani" is not an acceptable title.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: `Ali: Abu Bakr is the bravest of people
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 11:10:02 AM »
Also please write descriptive titles to your threads, "FAO Hani" is not an acceptable title.

Sorry, brother Hani.

Thanks for clarifying.

Imam Abu Bakr Al Bazzar (rahimahullah) has recorded this narration with a chain that consists of unknown narrators.
 
(Musnad Bazzar, Hadith: 761)
 
‘Allamah Haythami (rahimahullah) states that this chain consists of narrators whom he does not know [regarding their condition]. The Hadith will therefore be weak.
 
(Majma’uz Zawaid, vol. 9 pg. 47)

 

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