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Abu bakar on hurting Zahra(as)
« on: June 02, 2020, 08:08:36 PM »
Abu Bakr during his illness which lead to his death says:
“As for the 3 things which I did and, I wish I had not committed those things, I wish that I had not exposed the house of Fatema Zahra (sa) and would have left it alone even it was for declaring a war.And I wish that I, on the day of the Saqifah of Bani Sa’ida, would have put the matter into the neck of either of the two men: Abi-Ubayda bin Al-Jarrah or Umar, in which he would be the Leader (Amir) I would be the minister!

Authors note: The fact that Abu Bakr is feeling guilty for this act indicates that this is a crime that was committed by Attacking the House of Fatema Zahra (sa).

Sunni Reliable Narration:
Hadith(Al-Ahadeeth al-Mukhtarah by Dhiya al-Maqdisi)Volume 1, Page 89 ( Hadith hasan)
Link to the book: https://archive.org/stream/waq49397/mktara01#page/n0/mode/2up

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Re: Abu bakar on hurting Zahra(as)
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2020, 09:13:57 PM »
Abu Bakr during his illness which lead to his death says:
“As for the 3 things which I did and, I wish I had not committed those things, I wish that I had not exposed the house of Fatema Zahra (sa) and would have left it alone even it was for declaring a war.And I wish that I, on the day of the Saqifah of Bani Sa’ida, would have put the matter into the neck of either of the two men: Abi-Ubayda bin Al-Jarrah or Umar, in which he would be the Leader (Amir) I would be the minister!

Authors note: The fact that Abu Bakr is feeling guilty for this act indicates that this is a crime that was committed by Attacking the House of Fatema Zahra (sa).

Sunni Reliable Narration:
Hadith(Al-Ahadeeth al-Mukhtarah by Dhiya al-Maqdisi)Volume 1, Page 89 ( Hadith hasan)
Link to the book: https://archive.org/stream/waq49397/mktara01#page/n0/mode/2up

Salam Alaikum,

The report is weak because of the unreliable narrator Ulwan bin Dawood.

I don't know if you can read Arabic or not but if you check the footnotes on page 88 it clearly states that the chain (Isnaad) is Weak and in the next line mentions that Ulwan bin Dawood is WEAK.

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Re: Abu bakar on hurting Zahra(as)
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2020, 02:20:16 AM »
There is nothing herw about attacking the house. Its just added by the 12ers themselves.

whoaretheshia

Re: Abu bakar on hurting Zahra(as)
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2020, 09:25:01 PM »
There is nothing herw about attacking the house. Its just added by the 12ers themselves.

There is definitely compelling evidence a threat was made, particularly in the Saheeh narration of Aslam, the slave of Umar b. al-Khattab, in Musnad al-Bazzar, whereby the second Caliph threatens to burn the house down, something corroborated in many, many other chains of narrations from people all over the peninsula and beyond through independent routes.

Furthermore, according to Saheeh narrations in al-Bukhari, the context is further corroborated, in Ali and others gathering in the house of Ali and Fatima and opposing the first Caliph.

However, my opinion , and the opinion of some, including As-Shaykh Sayed Fadllulah, a major scholar of his time and still widely followed, is that we have evidence a threat is made, but what happened after we don't know. It is not part of Shia Aqeedah, it may have happened, but there is a lot to doubt about what took place due to conflicting reports and question marks over the actual event.

It is possible this was highly polemicised and distorted through history.

However, to threaten to force Ali out unless he gave his Bayah, and to burn down a house which not only contains Sahaba , but Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain is without a doubt a threat i am sure even you will accept is to be condemned.

However, given we have evidence of the second Caliph behaving in a similar manner throughout his life, something Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah will accept, i don't think it's unlikely, as a number of Sunni Ulema have mentioned, for some force to have been used to try and get Ali out to give his Bayah.

The idea however, that he was whipping Fatima, or that he tried to burn the door on her, or hit her while Ali and the Ummah watched, is something i consider highly questionable and not corroborated by any reliable sources.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2020, 09:27:21 PM by whoaretheshia »
"I leave behind for you two weighty things, which if you hold onto, you will never go astray...the Quran and my Ahlulbayt" - Musnad Ibn Rawayh (al-Albani classes Isnaad *independently* as Hasan, and Matn as authentic, as does Al-Arnaut, Ibn Hajar and others.

Rationalist

Re: Abu bakar on hurting Zahra(as)
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2020, 10:39:22 PM »
Since you mentioned Fadllulah, he is the same scholar who added Taradiyyah after Abi Bakr instead of Tabarra.

https://youtu.be/p3OK7vumnGw

As for what is part of 12er Shia aqeeda the emotion plays a major role. This event causes a lot of crying and builds up power for tabarra. So the majority cannot live with the reality concluded by Fadlullah.

 

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