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Question regarding these two chains about shia in heaven.
« on: March 03, 2016, 07:46:32 PM »
It is documented in Fadail al-Sahabah of Imam Ahmad:

حدثنا محمد بن يونس قثا عبيد الله بن عائشة قال أنا إسماعيل بن عمرو عن عمر بن موسى عن زيد بن علي بن حسين عن أبيه عن جده عن علي بن أبي طالب قال شكوت إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم حسد الناس اياي فقال : أما ترضى أن تكون رابع أربعة أول من يدخل الجنة أنا وأنت والحسن والحسين وأزواجنا عن أيماننا وعن شمائلنا وذرارينا خلف أزواجنا وشيعتنا من ورائنا

Muhammad b. Yunus – ‘Ubayd Allah b. ‘Aishah – Isma’il b. ‘Amr – ‘Umar b. Musa – ‘ Zayd b. ‘Ali b. Husayn – his father – his grandfather – ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:

I complained to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, about the animosity of the people towards me. He said, “Are you not pleased that you are one of the first four people to enter Paradise: I, you, al-Hasan and al-Husayn, and our wives will be at our right and left sides, and our descendants will be behind our wives, and our Shi’ah will be behind us (all)?”

Imam Ibn Asakir also records:

أخبرنا أبو العلاء صاعد بن أبي الفضل بن أبي عثمان الماليني أنا أبو محمد عبد الله بن أبي بكر بن أحمد السقطي نا أبو الفضل محمد بن أحمد بن محمد بن الجارود الحافظ إملاء أنا أبو محمد بن جعفر بن محمد بن أحمد بن محمد المعروف بابن المتيم الكاتب ببغداد نا أبو محمد القاسم بن جعفر بن محمد بن عبد الله بن محمد بن عمر بن علي بن أبي طالب حدثني أبي جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه محمد بن عبد الله عن أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد الصادق عن محمد بن علي الباقر عن أبيه علي بن الحسين عن أبيه الحسين بن علي عن أبيه أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب قال … قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يا علي هم أهل ولايتك وشيعتك ومحبوك يحبونك بحبي ويحبوني بحب الله هم الفائزون يوم القيامة

Abu al-‘Ala Sa’id b. Abi al-Faḍl b. Abi ‘Uthman al-Malini – Abu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah b. Abi Bakr b. Ahmad al-Saqti – Abu al-Faḍl Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad b. al-Jarud al-Hafiz – Abu Muhammad b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad, better known as Ibn al-Matim the Scribe – Abu Muhammad al-Qasim b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah b. Muhammad b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali b. Abi Talib – my father Ja’far b. Muhammad – his father Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah – ‘Abu ‘Abd Allah Ja’far b. Muhammad al-Sadiq – Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Baqir – his father ‘Ali b. al-Husayn – his father al-Husayn b. ‘Ali – his father, Amir al-Muminin ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:

… The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Ali! They are the believers in your wilayah and your Shi’ah and lovers. They love you on account of their love for me, and they love me on account of their love for Allah. They will be the successful ones on the Day of al-Qiyamah.”

Can anybody comment on the chains thanks  :)
An ant from the valley of the ants possesses more intellect than a Rafidhi - Fakhr Al-Din Razi

Hani

Re: Question regarding these two chains about shia in heaven.
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 10:49:45 PM »
1st hadith:


Notice it says:


"and our wives will be at our right and left sides"


Not sure if they want Hafsah and `A'ishah to be next to `Ali on the day of judgement???



Muhammad b. Yunus – ‘Ubayd Allah b. ‘Aishah – Isma’il b. ‘Amr – ‘Umar b. Musa – ‘ Zayd b. ‘Ali b. Husayn – his father – his grandfather – ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:


Chain: Terribly weak, since `Umar bin Musa is abandoned and Muhammad bin Yunus is a fabricator.


2nd hadith:


Abu al-‘Ala Sa’id b. Abi al-Faḍl b. Abi ‘Uthman al-MaliniAbu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah b. Abi Bakr b. Ahmad al-Saqti – Abu al-Faḍl Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad b. al-Jarud al-Hafiz – Abu Muhammad b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad, better known as Ibn al-Matim the ScribeAbu Muhammad al-Qasim b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah b. Muhammad b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali b. Abi Talibmy father Ja’far b. Muhammad – his father Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah – ‘Abu ‘Abd Allah Ja’far b. Muhammad al-Sadiq – Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Baqir – his father ‘Ali b. al-Husayn – his father al-Husayn b. ‘Ali – his father, Amir al-Muminin ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:


ِChain: Very weak, Al-Malini is praised but I didn't find a proper authentication for his reports. Al-Saqti is unknown from Hurah. Ibn al-Mutayyim is acceptable. Al-Qasim narrates rejected narrations from his fathers. His father's condition in narrating is unknown and the same goes for his grandfather Muhammad.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 10:51:41 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

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