Authenticity of following chains

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Authenticity of following chains
« on: November 07, 2017, 12:10:28 PM »
For those well-versed in Sunnite rijal such as Farid and Hani, what do you think of the following chains:

حدثني إبراهيم بن العلاف البصري قال، سمعت سلاماً أبا المنذر يقول: قال عاصم بن بهدلة حدثني زر بن حبيش عن عبد الله بن مسعود


حدثنا يوسف بن موسى وأبو موسى إسحاق الفروي ، قالا : حدثنا جرير بن عبد الحميد ، حدثنا إسماعيل والأعمش ، عن الحسن ، قال : قال رسول الله


عباد ابن يعقوب الرواجني عن شريك ابن عبد الله النخعي الكوفي عن عن عاصم بن بهدلة عن عن
زر بن حبيش بن حباشة بن أوس بن بلال
 عن عبد الله

And what would be the grading of a hadith which has these three chains narrating one hadith with similar wording?

محور المقاومة والممانعة


Re: Authenticity of following chains
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 01:44:32 PM »
Would you mind quoting the sources for these hadiths? I am pretty sure that none of the people in the beginning of the chains have books that are available to us.


Re: Authenticity of following chains
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2017, 06:28:15 PM »
Oh that's the one about the cursing, for some narrations you don't even need to review the chain to realize it's a lie. Consider the following:

A- It is clearly political, opponents of banu Umayyah can easily spread these.

B- Written by a historian who worked for the `Abbasid Caliph with known biases.

C- It's not possible that the Prophet (saw) accepted Mu`awiyah as Muslim when he embraced Islam then told him such a thing while appointing him as one of his personal writers.

D- It's not possible that previous Caliphs appointed Mu`awiyah as governor while such a Hadith is in circulation and no one bringing it up.

E- It's not possible for Hasan to have handed Mu`awiyah the Bay`ah and Caliphate while knowing this.

F- It's not possible that Hasan, Husayn & others disobeyed the Prophet's (saw) order by not "killing" Mu`awiyah the moment he stepped on the Mimbar. This was a general direct order by the Prophet (saw) "If you see him on my Mimbar kill him".

G- It's not possible that this Hadith was narrated by the pious popular scholars (i.e al-Basri) in the above chains since they've given Mu`awiyah their oaths and loyalty.

The more you read history the easier it is to weed out a lot of these reports without even looking at the chain (which is still important)
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Authenticity of following chains
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 01:54:35 PM »



Is this narration authentic?

Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “If you see Mu’awiyah delivering a sermon on my mimbar, kill him.”



This Hadith has been recorded with a few chains. However, the chains consists of extremely weak narrators and Rafidis [extremist Shi’is]. The Muhaddithun have therefore declared the Hadith unauthentic.

(Refer: Tanzihush Shari’ah, vol. 2 pg. 8, Al Fawaidul Majmu’ah, pg. 332-333)


Imam Abu Ja’far Al ‘Uqayli (rahimahullah) states, ‘There is no authentic [chain] for this text from Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam).

(Refer: Kitabul Mawdu’at, vol. 2 pg. 267-268)


‘Allamah ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) says, ‘According to the scholars of Hadith, this Hadith is a fabrication…”

(Minhajus Sunnah, vol. 4 pg. 379-380)


Hafiz Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) states, ‘This Hadith is a fabrication without any doubt…’

(Al Bidayah Wan Nihayah, vol. 8 pg. 192)


The narration is therefore not suitable to quote.


And Allah Ta’ala Knows best.


Answered by: Moulana Suhail Motala


Approved by: Moulana Muhammad Abasoomar


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