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Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)

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Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« on: July 06, 2017, 03:24:07 AM »
Assalam o Alaikum,

Here are answers from shiachat. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235050600-tafsir-of-2124-and-3333/
And before I can further question and refute them, got banned.

I also asked the same from many notable shia websites like islamquest, al-mawrid, askanalim, purifiedhousehold few days ago. Awaiting their response.
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

Hani

Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2017, 04:37:04 AM »
Wow those guys are banning left right n center. I've not seen such weak insecure sect.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2017, 11:57:37 AM »
Walaikum Salam,

Indeed, very insecure people. They failed to provide the evidence so they banned you instead. Nice academic response!!  ;)
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Soccer

Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2020, 05:57:00 AM »
Quran contextualizes and interprets itself. All it's signs and proofs you can derive from it is to be done by referring it's part to other parts, and let them hold on to each other, let the verses speak about each other.

This is what the shiachat members were trying to tell you, but can't articulate it well.

No language exists that any spoken phrase can be divorced in itself and mean something in itself. You have background noise for every term which changes place to place, time to time, and when someone is doing a speech, you got to pick up there theme and see what they mean.

The Quran is so clear, but the sorcery, covers it. 

You are to fight the good fight, and start reflecting.  Obviously, you've decided people who believe in leadership of the family are too stupid and foolish to interpret Quran properly, so, then all I advise is to fight the good fight and see if your reflections are with Quran or refuted by other parts of Quran.

This is my suggestion. Because Quran explains it's own verses and contextualizes it all. No part of it is ever just said superficially or unimportantly. They hold on to each other and are essential to each other.



« Last Edit: March 10, 2020, 05:58:18 AM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

iceman

Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2020, 03:24:56 PM »
Assalam o Alaikum,

Here are answers from shiachat. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235050600-tafsir-of-2124-and-3333/
And before I can further question and refute them, got banned.

I also asked the same from many notable shia websites like islamquest, al-mawrid, askanalim, purifiedhousehold few days ago. Awaiting their response.

Don't worry about the ban. What exactly is it that you'd like to know. 😊 By all means, question and refute. 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2020, 08:49:02 AM »
Don't worry about the ban. What exactly is it that you'd like to know. 😊 By all means, question and refute. 😊

Here comes the most hypocritical foolish Shiite on this website he will definitely give you answers from his own assumptions.😁

Soccer

Re: Ahlebayt tafsir for 2:124 and 33:33 (shia answers)
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2020, 06:46:56 PM »
Here comes the most hypocritical foolish Shiite on this website he will definitely give you answers from his own assumptions.😁

Shiism and Sunnism and even Islam are undefined and meaning nothing. All you think by the concept and what you attach to the label, is in your head.  It's not real.

Submitting to God is the way, doesn't make Islam true, nor does the fact Muslims testify to Mohammad make him his followers, nor Shiites the followers of Ali, nor Twelvers are automatically representing the twelve because they are right about the number per Quran.

These days, no group has full representation of the truth, only Ahlulbayt have that, and there is only one remaining from the that family.

No one else can claim to understand the Quran fully let alone have referred all disputes back to it from the Sunnah.

We have to work together. And the first thing that has to go, is divisions. 

We aren't going to unite on the truth until we allow room for others to be right about somethings and wrong about other. And Islam and Muslims have become just titles like Judaism and Christianity.

Titles and labels don't define anyone.  And Mohammad (s) is not a Muslim like us, he is a submitter to God above causing divisions among humans.

If we submit all good, if we don't, then let God judge who does and who doesn't.  The word between all of us of all views and backgrounds around the world should be to Worship God alone and not to take fallible leaders as idols by which we twist our morals left right and center and abandon what we know to stick to them.

Shiism and Sunnism are false identities, they mean nothing really and yet those who subscribe to them are holding to sorcery from Iblis regarding it.

Yes you are suppose to follow the Sunnah and Ahlulbayt, but that doesn't make either title legitimate way to split from humans.

There is no need to title oneself over differences and divide into groups.  Humanity is One nation, so let God judge between his servants.  Fake Prophets come, still, no need to do takfir. Let God judge human and their hearts.

Just discuss what you believe is your view and try just to show what you know without dividing people against one another.

Learn from others, just as you want others to learn from you.

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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