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End of Abdullah ibn Saba

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Muhammad Tazin

End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« on: June 08, 2015, 06:03:41 AM »
As Salamu Alaikum,
There are 2 types or narrations available about ibn Saba in Shia books-
1. He was exiled to Madaen
2. He was burnt alive
Which is correct according to historical proofs?
As I have read somewhere that, a group of Sabaiite people were burnt by Ali(r.a.) , not ibn Saba.

Hani

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM »
He was exiled, some of his followers were burned.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Farid

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 08:52:22 AM »
I don't think there is sufficient proof for either of the two views. Not much is known about the details of the life of Ibn Saba', especially from the Sunni view.

Muhammad Tazin

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 03:12:38 PM »
Both Shia & Sunni sources mention exile to Madaen & also Burnt alive

Farid

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 08:52:29 PM »
Would you mind sharing sources for both Sunni views?

Khaled

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 09:05:21 PM »
This really begs the question; is there really a "sunni" view on historical events?  Heck, even saying there are "Sunni" interpretation on every single event in the Seerah is impossible.

Sunnism is a general way of looking at Islam; not history, science, math etc.  Some of our sunni scholars are trained scientists and some of them are shockingly ignorant of science; neither represents Sunni Islam as far as I'm concerned.
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Muhammad Tazin

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 09:25:17 AM »
Would you mind sharing sources for both Sunni views?

It is rare , the Burning of ibn Saba in Sunni sources, I got these in a website

Ibn Qutayba-
2- ابن قتيبة (672هـ).

ذكر السبئية وأخبر أنها تنسب إلى ابن سبأ قال: <السبئية من الرافضة ينسبون إلى عبدالله بن سبأ وكان أول من كفر من الرافضة وقال علي رب العالمين فأحرقه علي وأصحابه بالنار>(2).

Source: http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=86974


Farid

Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 02:18:47 PM »
@ Khaled: When I say Sunni view, I mean that I am looking for something that is found in Sunni history books, not Shia ones.

@ Muhammad Tazin: As I thought, a very late opinion.

 

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