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Taha

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2014, 06:55:12 AM »
Brother Fear Allah from making Tahreef of Quran.
Why?  Isn't it the blessed Sunnah of `Uthman to mess with the words of Allah (swt)?


I'll watch the video inshallah.

Optimus Prime

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2014, 11:30:28 AM »
بسم مولانا علي المرتضى

السلام عليكم




I'm more interested in why you would like to begin your discussion with


"In the name of our Mawla `Ali al-Murtada"


Is it really better and more worthy than


"In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate"


?

ROFL.

Optimus Prime

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2014, 11:48:54 AM »
Brother Fear Allah from making Tahreef of Quran.
Why?  Isn't it the blessed Sunnah of `Uthman to mess with the words of Allah (swt)?


I'll watch the video inshallah.

What makes you say that?

Hani

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2014, 05:43:02 PM »
Brother Fear Allah from making Tahreef of Quran.
Why?  Isn't it the blessed Sunnah of `Uthman to mess with the words of Allah (swt)?


I'll watch the video inshallah.


If you want to remain on this forum, I suggest you stop your childish behavior. The fact that you have nothing academic or beneficial to say in your posts is already bad enough.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2014, 06:51:24 PM »

Why?  Isn't it the blessed Sunnah of `Uthman to mess with the words of Allah (swt)?

I'll watch the video inshallah.


If you want to remain on this forum, I suggest you stop your childish behavior. The fact that you have nothing academic or beneficial to say in your posts is already bad enough.

Let him say it! That is what he and his scholars believe; the Quran was corrupted by Uthman (ra).
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2014, 07:47:42 PM »
Wasn't this supposed to be about "Ghadeer"? Please, talk about Ghadeer folks.


I love Ghadeer topics.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2014, 09:43:58 PM »

Why?  Isn't it the blessed Sunnah of `Uthman to mess with the words of Allah (swt)?

I'll watch the video inshallah.


If you want to remain on this forum, I suggest you stop your childish behavior. The fact that you have nothing academic or beneficial to say in your posts is already bad enough.

Let him say it! That is what he and his scholars believe; the Quran was corrupted by Uthman (ra).

I'm with him. Let's hear what he has to say.

Ameen

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2014, 11:39:29 PM »
Wasn't this supposed to be about "Ghadeer"? Please, talk about Ghadeer folks.


I love Ghadeer topics.

I agree with you. The subject is about Ghadeer. But i would love to discuss this.

Taha

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2015, 03:00:29 AM »
What makes you say that?
`Uthman compiled his `Uthmani mushaf and burned all the other Qur'ans.  Imam Ali (a.s.) had also compiled a Qur'an and it was different from `Uthman's.  There are narrations that speak about the number of verses in the Qur'an and they are usually quite high, many times more than the Qur'an we have now.  Therefore, it is my belief that `Uthman removed the vast majority of the Qur'an from the version we have now.  It was a very common Shi'a belief for most of history, but then liberal fools that try to please Sunnis came along such as Ali Shariati and Ruhollah Khomeini (la3an 3lyhim) and they removed nearly all uniquely Shia beliefs from popular Shiism.


Let him say it! That is what he and his scholars believe; the Quran was corrupted by Uthman (ra).

Just out of curiosity, were you offended when that Florida pastor burned a bunch of Qur'ans?  If so, why?  `Uthman burned all the Qur'ans except for his.  Burning the Qur'an is a practice of a beloved Sahabi, is it not?

Hani

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2015, 03:17:56 AM »
A part of me wants to refute you (which is easy) but another part wishes to keep you spouting this nonsense so that non-Shia can see the truth about Shia beliefs.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2015, 08:44:27 PM »
What makes you say that?
`Uthman compiled his `Uthmani mushaf and burned all the other Qur'ans.  Imam Ali (a.s.) had also compiled a Qur'an and it was different from `Uthman's.  There are narrations that speak about the number of verses in the Qur'an and they are usually quite high, many times more than the Qur'an we have now.  Therefore, it is my belief that `Uthman removed the vast majority of the Qur'an from the version we have now.  It was a very common Shi'a belief for most of history, but then liberal fools that try to please Sunnis came along such as Ali Shariati and Ruhollah Khomeini (la3an 3lyhim) and they removed nearly all uniquely Shia beliefs from popular Shiism.


Let him say it! That is what he and his scholars believe; the Quran was corrupted by Uthman (ra).

Just out of curiosity, were you offended when that Florida pastor burned a bunch of Qur'ans?  If so, why?  `Uthman burned all the Qur'ans except for his.  Burning the Qur'an is a practice of a beloved Sahabi, is it not?


A old-fashioned Shia who harbours the classical beliefs. I likey!

Hani, allow em' to keep on spouting. :P

Hadrami

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2015, 03:00:06 AM »
Let him say it! That is what he and his scholars believe; the Quran was corrupted by Uthman (ra).

Just out of curiosity, were you offended when that Florida pastor burned a bunch of Qur'ans?  If so, why?  `Uthman burned all the Qur'ans except for his.  Burning the Qur'an is a practice of a beloved Sahabi, is it not?


A old-fashioned Shia who harbours the classical beliefs. I likey!

Hani, allow em' to keep on spouting. :P

There's a reason why all of a sudden hes on a belittling companions rampage after 2 months here. You couldn't tell hes heading this way if you read his early posts & seems genuinely want to have an academic discussion. Don't ban him, at least our Sunni brothers here can get a glimpse of what a real shia is without taqiyah  :)
« Last Edit: January 02, 2015, 03:03:07 AM by Hadrami »

Taha

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2015, 11:05:57 AM »
There's a reason why all of a sudden hes on a belittling companions rampage after 2 months here. You couldn't tell hes heading this way if you read his early posts & seems genuinely want to have an academic discussion. Don't ban him, at least our Sunni brothers here can get a glimpse of what a real shia is without taqiyah  :)
I reject the use of taqiyyah.  Sometimes, I withhold information that is personal about myself, but I will never lie about my religion (unless some Sunni terrorist from Da`esh will kill me if I don't).

Husayn

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2015, 02:58:55 PM »
There's a reason why all of a sudden hes on a belittling companions rampage after 2 months here. You couldn't tell hes heading this way if you read his early posts & seems genuinely want to have an academic discussion. Don't ban him, at least our Sunni brothers here can get a glimpse of what a real shia is without taqiyah  :)
I reject the use of taqiyyah.  Sometimes, I withhold information that is personal about myself, but I will never lie about my religion (unless some Sunni terrorist from Da`esh will kill me if I don't).

You only rejected it recently - when your taqiyyah didn't convince anyone.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Hadrami

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2015, 01:14:39 AM »
I reject the use of taqiyyah.  Sometimes, I withhold information that is personal about myself, but I will never lie about my religion (unless some Sunni terrorist from Da`esh will kill me if I don't).

Nice try, you fooled me once, but not again mr taqiya. Husayn is right, when you see your lies brings nothing & the brothers refutes your BS academically then you abandon your taqiya and going on rampage. At the moment you left 9/10 of your religion eh?

At least we now know how ugly your true face is.

Taha

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2015, 01:50:58 AM »
You only rejected it recently - when your taqiyyah didn't convince anyone.
Whatever you say, Ya Kazzab.  I have never used taqiyyah.


Nice try, you fooled me once, but not again mr taqiya. Husayn is right, when you see your lies brings nothing & the brothers refutes your BS academically then you abandon your taqiya and going on rampage. At the moment you left 9/10 of your religion eh?

I have never used taqiyyah.  The narration of taqiyyah being 9/10 of religion isn't applicable to me.  It referred to two things:
1. Hiding the Imam (because the sunni dictator caliphs would kill him)
2. Protecting innocent life (I am not being threatened by my religion, therefore, no need to hide it).

I have noticed that Sunnis make an active habit of lying through their teeth constantly, and you have the nerve to accuse Shias of abandoning taqiyyah?  Munafiq.

Husayn

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2015, 06:43:55 AM »
Here (I think) is Taha's very first post on this forum:

Quote
و عليكم السلام

To Nader: Thank you for those ahadith and explanation.  I had no idea that your shoulders were supposed to touch.  Usually, in my experience at Shia mosques (which isn't much-- I'm more of a pray-at-home type of person), we leave around 4-6 inches between people.  In Sunni mosques, they put their feet touching mine which, although I'm not bothered much for any hygienic reason, it makes it difficult to do the motions of prayer, especially since Sunnis fold their arms and their elbows get in the way of my hanging arms.  I will try to maybe close gaps in the future.

To Hani:  Thank you for your warm welcome.  I live in the United States.  The only time I have ever seen a very crowded masjid is during eid (for Sunni masajid).  The Shia mosques are usually crowded on the first and tenth days of Muharram but not always between those two days.  Thank you for your explanation and for relaying that hadith; it's very informative.  I don't really know much about the Sunnah except for some practices that nobody (that I know of) keeps very well (such as lengthening the beard, use of miswak, breaking fast with dates -- I do this actually, but only because I really like dates --, and some others.)

Huge difference, right?

Taqiyyah-manners.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Ameen

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2015, 06:46:54 AM »
So what is "Taqiyya"??? People keep yapping on about it but no one seems to know what it is. Any volunteers???

Husayn

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2015, 06:50:50 AM »
So what is "Taqiyya"??? People keep yapping on about it but no one seems to know what it is. Any volunteers???

Taqiyyah (in the Shii sense), as Taha demonstrated, is when a Shii person hides their true feelings, and instead adopts a cloak of sensibility and respect in order to fool people into thinking that he is a sensible and rational person.

The reason is that Shii beliefs are so poisonous and full of hatred, that if they were to have walked the streets back in the day spouting them, they would most likely have been lynched by outraged Muslims.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Ameen

Re: Ghadeer Khum
« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2015, 07:04:15 AM »
Quote,

"Taqiyyah is when a Shia person hides their true feelings, and instead adopts a cloak of sensibility and respect in order to fool people into thinking that he is a sensible and rational person",

This is exactly what certain companions did. Not everyone socialised with the Prophet (pbuh) for the right reasons.

Quote,

"The reason is that Shii beliefs are so poisonous and full of hatred, that if they were to have walked the streets back in the day spouting them, they would most likely have been lynched by outraged Muslims",

Many beautiful statements as such are made by many brothers but no explanation or reference to go with it. And the same is being said about others on different sites. An ongoing story.

So tell me, if I asked you "which Sunni are you and why?" and you didn't respond but just used the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath label to hide behind then, would this also be Taqiyya??? If you can't declare and introduce yourself then what would this be???


 

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