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Farid

Most Shias will leave Shiasm
« on: July 19, 2016, 03:40:32 AM »
Al Saduq in Ikmal Al Deen p.481 says:

How can they (Sunnis) not believe in what is authentic from the Prophet and the Imams (peace be upon them) about the Qa'im (Mahdi), his Ghaybah, and his appearance, after the doubt that affects most people and their irtidaad from believing in him, as per the authentic narrations from them (peace be upon them)?

^ As we can see, Al Saduq says that it is authentic that most people that believed in the Mahdi will stop believing in him (irtidaad).

Looks like Mahdi isn't going to come any time soon, since the Shias of our times are still gullible enough to believe in him.

Hani

Re: Most Shias will leave Shiasm
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 03:56:36 AM »
I thought he was still flying with the birds this 12th guy.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

fgss

Re: Most Shias will leave Shiasm
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2016, 04:13:46 AM »
Infact they (shias) themselves dont follow their narrations about 12th Imam.


12th Imam will appear only when they (shias) stop annoucing his coming.

Kitabul ul Ghaybah of Numani,
Chapter 18: FORBIDDING TIMING AND NAMING ALQA'IM

Narration #1

Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa'eed narrated from Ali bin al-Hasan from al-Hasan bin Ali bin Yousuf from Muhammad bin Ali from Sa’dan bin Muslim that Abu Baseer had said: I said to Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s): “Does this matter (the appearance of al-Mahdi) not have an end so that we relieve ourselves?”
He said: “Yes, it does. But you (people) announced it; therefore Allah put it off.”

Narration #15

Muhammad bin Ya'qoob narrated from al-Husayn bin Muhammad from Ja'far bin Muhammad from al-Qassim bin
Issma'eel al-Anbari from al-Hasan bin Ali from Ibraheem bin Muhzim from his father that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) had said when the (Abbasid) rulers had been mentioned before him:
“People perished because they hastened this matter (deliverance). Allah does not become hasty just because that people urge on their matters to be achieved. This matter (the appearance of al-Qa'im) has a precise time that it must reach. If it reaches its time, it will occur neither an hour sooner nor an hour later.”


And when he (12th Imam) will finally come, most of the shias will leave shia'ism and will apostatize.

Same book,
Chapter 21: The Shia when al-Qa'im appears.

Narration #1

Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa'eed bin Oqda narrated from Hameed bin Ziyad from Ali bin as-Sabah from Abu Ali al-Hasan bin Muhammad al-Hadhrami from Ja'far bin Muhammad from Ibraheem bin Abdul Hameed from someone that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (as) had said:

“When al-Qa'im (as) appears, those, who have thought themselves as his followers, will apostatize and those, who are somehow like the worshippers of the sun and the moon, will believe in him.”
« Last Edit: July 19, 2016, 05:01:10 AM by Fahad Sani »
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

GreatChineseFall

Re: Most Shias will leave Shiasm
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2016, 11:02:51 AM »
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^ As we can see, Al Saduq says that it is authentic that most people that believed in the Mahdi will stop believing in him (irtidaad).

This can also be read as once he arrives, most shia's will disbeliev in him, so he could still arrive soon. (which by the way shows just about how much most shia's are able to discern truth from falsehood).

But there is also this:
Quote
وفي رواية عن عيسى بن أبي حمزة قال: " قال رجل لأبي عبد الله (عليه السلام):
جعلت فداك إن الناس يزعمون: أن الدنيا عمرها سبعة آلاف سنة؟
فقال: ليس كما يقولون، إن الله خلق لها خمسين ألف عام فتركها قاعا قفرا خاوية عشرة آلاف عام، ثم بدأ الله فخلق فيها خلقا، ليس من الجن ولا من الملائكة ولا من الإنس، وقدر لهم عشرة آلاف عام، فلما قربت آجالهم أفسدوا فيها، فدمر الله عليهم تدميرا، ثم تركها قاعا قفرا خاوية عشرة آلاف عام، ثم خلق فيها الجن وقدر لهم عشرة آلاف عام، فلما قربت آجالهم فسدوا فيها وسفكوا الدماء، وهو قول الملائكة: * (أتجعل فيها من يفسد فيها ويسفك الدماء) * كما سفكت بنو الجان، فأهلكهم الله، ثم بدأ الله فخلق آدم، وقرر له عشرة آلاف، وقد مضى من ذلك سبعة آلاف عام، وأنتم في آخر الزمان ". انتهى ما في " تفسير العياشي "

From Isa Bin Hamza who said,
‘A man said to Abu Abdullah asws, ‘May I be sacrificed for you asws!  The  people  are claiming that the world, its age it of seven thousand years!’ So he asws said: ‘It is not as they are saying. Allah azwj Created for it fifty thousand years, so Left it empty of its inhabitants for ten thousand years.Then  Allah azwj Began  its  beginning,  so  He azwj Created  in  it  creatures  who  were neither  from  the  Jinn,  nor  from  the  Angels,  nor  from  the  human  beings,  and Measured  out for  them  ten  thousand  years.  So  when  they  came near to the  end of their  term,  they  created  mischief  therein,  so  Allah azwj Destroyed  them  with  a damaging Destruction. Then He azwj left it empty from its inhabitants for ten thousand years. Then He azwj Created in it, the Jinn, and Measured out for them ten thousand years. So when the end of their term came near, they were mischievous therein, and shed the  blood.  And  these  are  the  Words  of  Allah azwj (the  Angels  said) [2:30]  Are  You going to Make in it one as shall make mischief therein and shed the blood, just as the Clan of Jaan had shed?’ So Allah azwj Destroyed them. Then  Allah azwj Began  the  Creation  of  Adam as,  and  Measured  out  for  him,  ten thousand  years.  And,  from  that,  seven  thousand  two  hundred  years  have  passed from that, and you all are in the end of the era’.
Tafsir al Ayyashi

So we still have a few centuries.

Ebn Hussein

Re: Most Shias will leave Shiasm
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 05:44:38 AM »
Infact they (shias) themselves dont follow their narrations about 12th Imam.


12th Imam will appear only when they (shias) stop annoucing his coming.

Kitabul ul Ghaybah of Numani,
Chapter 18: FORBIDDING TIMING AND NAMING ALQA'IM

Narration #1

Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa'eed narrated from Ali bin al-Hasan from al-Hasan bin Ali bin Yousuf from Muhammad bin Ali from Sa’dan bin Muslim that Abu Baseer had said: I said to Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s): “Does this matter (the appearance of al-Mahdi) not have an end so that we relieve ourselves?”
He said: “Yes, it does. But you (people) announced it; therefore Allah put it off.”

Narration #15

Muhammad bin Ya'qoob narrated from al-Husayn bin Muhammad from Ja'far bin Muhammad from al-Qassim bin
Issma'eel al-Anbari from al-Hasan bin Ali from Ibraheem bin Muhzim from his father that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) had said when the (Abbasid) rulers had been mentioned before him:
“People perished because they hastened this matter (deliverance). Allah does not become hasty just because that people urge on their matters to be achieved. This matter (the appearance of al-Qa'im) has a precise time that it must reach. If it reaches its time, it will occur neither an hour sooner nor an hour later.”


And when he (12th Imam) will finally come, most of the shias will leave shia'ism and will apostatize.

Same book,
Chapter 21: The Shia when al-Qa'im appears.

Narration #1

Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa'eed bin Oqda narrated from Hameed bin Ziyad from Ali bin as-Sabah from Abu Ali al-Hasan bin Muhammad al-Hadhrami from Ja'far bin Muhammad from Ibraheem bin Abdul Hameed from someone that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (as) had said:

“When al-Qa'im (as) appears, those, who have thought themselves as his followers, will apostatize and those, who are somehow like the worshippers of the sun and the moon, will believe in him.”


Lol, the magi priest Yasser al-Khabith started a campaign a while back, asking his followers and Shias worldwide and the Sunnis in the Arab spring countries to chant:

الشعب يريد ظهور الإمام (the people want to see the emergence of the Imam i.e. 3aj 3aj the cellar dweller)

instead of the famous slogan:

الشعب یرید اسقاط النظام (the people want to bring down the regime)

These retards actually went out to the backyard of their temple, basically the temple servent and some school dropouts and a bunch of kid then actually shouted that embarrasing statement on air:



Lol the Rafidah are indeed a doomed and retarded nation.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

 

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