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Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?

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Ibn Yahya

Hasan Allahyari here clearly shows that Muhammad Shirazi admitted that Abu Bakr and 'Umar including 'Ali practised Shurah and so therefore it is permissible to elect a Faqih as a ruler.

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Rationalist

Re: Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 06:35:41 AM »
Ali  was known to accept the advice of Abdullah ibn Abbas.

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Re: Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2015, 09:01:36 PM »
This is a strong point!
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Ebn Hussein

Re: Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 06:24:47 AM »
My thoughts on Shura (after the demise of the noble Prophet - sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) that completely destroys the very essence of Shiism (i.e. Imam and that the Sahabah, in particular the Shaikhain were usurpers):

How on earth could Ali participate in a taghooti-shaytani election scam of a bunch of thieves, usurpers and apostates in the first place? I mean not just ONCE (he participated in the Shura of Abu Bakr) but THRICE (in Omar's and Othman's). What is more shocking (to a Rafidhi, once he finds out) is that according to historical accounts Ali was the FIRST to give Bay3ah (pledge of allegiance) to Othman!

To give you an contemporary example: Today, President Mursi (indeed he IS the rightful presiden) has been put aside by a bunch of secularist devils who usurped his right to rule over Egypt. Now imagine, him being such a low life that after being stripped of his right of being the president, he joins some made up council to ELECT the new president and on top of it he rushes to vote for Mursi! Would that make sense? Of course not, Morsi would never do such a thing, a rightful president/king/Imam does not need to participate in a satanic election scam, let alone vote in favour of anyone else than himself. The only reason to join such a gathering is to EXPOSE the participants. But as we know Ali Ibn Abi Talib never did that, never can the Rafidha prove it based on Sahih narrations, hence the distorted Shia narrative of history will never ever be accepted by non-biased researchers and truth-seekers.

^That was my post from the amazing thread (by Ustadh Hani):

http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=20954
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 06:31:54 AM »
The following quote from Nahj Al-Balagha gives Rafidis such a hard time that they resort to all sorts of acrobatics to somehow twist Ali's clear statement (they say he used it as a hujjah/argument against Mu'awiyah only. Rubbish, he clearly states what is part of our belief in general):

Nahjul Balagha (letter 6):

Shura belongs to Muhajirs and Ansars and if they agreed on a man, and named him Imam, that is per pleasure of Allah.

This letter always cracks me up, it so badly destroys Shiism. No wonder they have to write 10 pages of commentary under the narration in all Nahj Al-Balagha copies to somehow fit it with their own Rafidi beliefs.

Ponder over the following facts:

1. Shura belongs to the Muhajirs and Ansars (according to Shia belief the vast majority of them are a bunch of thieves, criminals and Abu Bakr/Omar lovers who almost all gave bay3ah to Abu Bakr)

2. The agreement of choosing someone lies in THEIR hands.

3. This person (elected one) is THE Imam.

4. The chosen one (if elected by the Muhajir and Ansar) represents the PLEASURE of Allah!

I mean, WOW, Subhanallah! The funniest bit is that Ali used to term IMAM (that is so holy to Rafidis) for descibing a fallible Muhajir/or Ansari Sahabi who got elected by another bunch of fallible Sahabah.

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ibn Yahya

Re: Shurah Practised by Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Ali (Radi Allahu 'Anhuma)?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 01:12:12 PM »
The following quote from Nahj Al-Balagha gives Rafidis such a hard time that they resort to all sorts of acrobatics to somehow twist Ali's clear statement (they say he used it as a hujjah/argument against Mu'awiyah only. Rubbish, he clearly states what is part of our belief in general):

Nahjul Balagha (letter 6):

Shura belongs to Muhajirs and Ansars and if they agreed on a man, and named him Imam, that is per pleasure of Allah.

This letter always cracks me up, it so badly destroys Shiism. No wonder they have to write 10 pages of commentary under the narration in all Nahj Al-Balagha copies to somehow fit it with their own Rafidi beliefs.

Ponder over the following facts:

1. Shura belongs to the Muhajirs and Ansars (according to Shia belief the vast majority of them are a bunch of thieves, criminals and Abu Bakr/Omar lovers who almost all gave bay3ah to Abu Bakr)

2. The agreement of choosing someone lies in THEIR hands.

3. This person (elected one) is THE Imam.

4. The chosen one (if elected by the Muhajir and Ansar) represents the PLEASURE of Allah!

I mean, WOW, Subhanallah! The funniest bit is that Ali used to term IMAM (that is so holy to Rafidis) for descibing a fallible Muhajir/or Ansari Sahabi who got elected by another bunch of fallible Sahabah.

Subhan Allah

 

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