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THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« on: September 16, 2015, 01:04:10 AM »
Salam.
this is what a Rafidah wrote ::
:
"The birth and existence of al-Mahdi (atfj) is well known by
shias as well as sunnis. In this post we shall restrict
ourselves to sunni muslims who attest to the existence of the
patron of the age, Imam al-Mahdi whose appearance has been
prophesied by Rasul (sawa), long before its happening. Below
are a few confirmations by sunni scholars in their books but
more will be revealed as we roll on, in sha Allah.
(1) Muhammad b. Taiha Shafii writes: “Abu al- Qasim
Muhammad bin Hasan was born in the year 255 AH in
Samara. His father’s name was Hasan. Among the titles (of
this last imam) are: Hujjat, Khalaf Salih (the righteous
offspring) and Muntazar (the awaited one).” These hadith –
reports confirm the existence of Imam Hasan Askari’s son,
who is in concealment and will appear later.
Matalib al-su’al (1287 AH edition), p.89.
(2) Muhammad b. Yusuf, following his entry on the death of
Imam Hasan Askari, writes: “He did not have any child beside
Muhammad- It is said that he is the same as the awaited
‘Imam (Imam Muntazar).”
Kitayat al-talib, p.312.
(3) Yusuf b. Qazughli writes: “His (Hasan Askari) son’s name
is Muhammad, and his patronymic is Abu Abd Allah and Abu
al – Qasim. He is the proof of God’s existence, the Master of
the Age, the Qaim~ and the Muntazar. The Imamate has come
to an end with him.” Then he reports traditions about the
Mahdi.
Tadlikirat khawass al-urnina, p.363."
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These sources seems strange to me.
Any refutations ?


Ebn Hussein

Re: THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 01:28:26 AM »
Is this a joke? The Rafidah can't proof his birth nor existence so they resort to Sunnis who by IJMA' do not believe in a hidden 12th Imam (except some Naqshbandi Sufi Zanadiqah, who are spiritual brothers of the Rafidah), rather historians have mentioned that Imam Al-'Askari had no children at all. Anyway, let's see what the copy paste is about.

Salam.
this is what a Rafidah wrote ::
:
"The birth and existence of al-Mahdi (atfj) is well known by
shias as well as sunnis.

That's a lie. Muslims believe in the Mahdi who is Muhammad Ibn ABDULLAH not a fairy tale boy who disappeared in a cellar whose name is Muhammad IBN AL-HASSAN.

Quote
Below are a few confirmations by sunni scholars in their books but
more will be revealed as we roll on, in sha Allah.
(1) Muhammad b. Taiha Shafii writes: “Abu al- Qasim
Muhammad bin Hasan was born in the year 255 AH in
Samara. His father’s name was Hasan. Among the titles (of
this last imam) are: Hujjat, Khalaf Salih (the righteous
offspring) and Muntazar (the awaited one).” These hadith –
reports confirm the existence of Imam Hasan Askari’s son,
who is in concealment and will appear later.
Matalib al-su’al (1287 AH edition), p.89.

LOL typical Rawafid, throwing some random quotes, with no original Arabic text so nobody can check if they are saying the truth. First of all. Who the heck is Muhammad b. Taiha Shafii?! Secondly where is the Arabic quote?! Did he said it as in affirmation then he's not a Sunni by default cause Sunnis do not believe that Imam Al-'Askari had a son, his OWN brother did not believe that and was hence insulted by the Nasibi Rafidi Imamites who called him Jafar Al-Kadhab (he liar!).

Quote
(2) Muhammad b. Yusuf, following his entry on the death of
Imam Hasan Askari, writes: “He did not have any child beside
Muhammad- It is said that he is the same as the awaited
‘Imam (Imam Muntazar).”
Kitayat al-talib, p.312.

Who the heck is Muhammad b. Yusuf? The Rafidi's local butcher?! Is this how you write the name of a scholar. Where is the original Arabic text to check who that person in the first place is?!

Quote
(3) Yusuf b. Qazughli writes: “His (Hasan Askari) son’s name
is Muhammad, and his patronymic is Abu Abd Allah and Abu
al – Qasim. He is the proof of God’s existence, the Master of
the Age, the Qaim~ and the Muntazar. The Imamate has come
to an end with him.” Then he reports traditions about the
Mahdi.
Tadlikirat khawass al-urnina, p.363."

Qazughli, "the great Sunni scholar", lol I am cracking up here, wallahi I feel sorry for the Rawafid.

Quote
These sources seems strange to me.
Any refutations ?

Really? They only "seem" strange to you, brother? Can you (and the respected readers) see how desperate these Shias are?!
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hadrami

Re: THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 03:00:33 AM »
Shia before the 12ers sect believed in 11 other different Mahdi (http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/the-confusing-history-of-shia-imamate-and-mahdi/) and after hasan al askari death, majority did not believe he had a son (http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/shia-after-11th-imam's-death/)

Shia should clear up their own confusing history first. It looks like the 12ers Mahdi existence is not even the view of majority of Shia imam's followers :P
« Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 03:23:40 AM by Hadrami »

Re: THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2015, 01:02:54 PM »
Is this a joke? The Rafidah can't proof his birth nor existence so they resort to Sunnis who by IJMA' do not believe in a hidden 12th Imam (except some Naqshbandi Sufi Zanadiqah, who are spiritual brothers of the Rafidah), rather historians have mentioned that Imam Al-'Askari had no children at all. Anyway, let's see what the copy paste is about.

Salam.
this is what a Rafidah wrote ::
:
"The birth and existence of al-Mahdi (atfj) is well known by
shias as well as sunnis.

That's a lie. Muslims believe in the Mahdi who is Muhammad Ibn ABDULLAH not a fairy tale boy who disappeared in a cellar whose name is Muhammad IBN AL-HASSAN.

Quote
Below are a few confirmations by sunni scholars in their books but
more will be revealed as we roll on, in sha Allah.
(1) Muhammad b. Taiha Shafii writes: “Abu al- Qasim
Muhammad bin Hasan was born in the year 255 AH in
Samara. His father’s name was Hasan. Among the titles (of
this last imam) are: Hujjat, Khalaf Salih (the righteous
offspring) and Muntazar (the awaited one).” These hadith –
reports confirm the existence of Imam Hasan Askari’s son,
who is in concealment and will appear later.
Matalib al-su’al (1287 AH edition), p.89.

LOL typical Rawafid, throwing some random quotes, with no original Arabic text so nobody can check if they are saying the truth. First of all. Who the heck is Muhammad b. Taiha Shafii?! Secondly where is the Arabic quote?! Did he said it as in affirmation then he's not a Sunni by default cause Sunnis do not believe that Imam Al-'Askari had a son, his OWN brother did not believe that and was hence insulted by the Nasibi Rafidi Imamites who called him Jafar Al-Kadhab (he liar!).

Quote
(2) Muhammad b. Yusuf, following his entry on the death of
Imam Hasan Askari, writes: “He did not have any child beside
Muhammad- It is said that he is the same as the awaited
‘Imam (Imam Muntazar).”
Kitayat al-talib, p.312.

Who the heck is Muhammad b. Yusuf? The Rafidi's local butcher?! Is this how you write the name of a scholar. Where is the original Arabic text to check who that person in the first place is?!

Quote
(3) Yusuf b. Qazughli writes: “His (Hasan Askari) son’s name
is Muhammad, and his patronymic is Abu Abd Allah and Abu
al – Qasim. He is the proof of God’s existence, the Master of
the Age, the Qaim~ and the Muntazar. The Imamate has come
to an end with him.” Then he reports traditions about the
Mahdi.
Tadlikirat khawass al-urnina, p.363."

Qazughli, "the great Sunni scholar", lol I am cracking up here, wallahi I feel sorry for the Rawafid.

Quote
These sources seems strange to me.
Any refutations ?

Really? They only "seem" strange to you, brother? Can you (and the respected readers) see how desperate these Shias are?!

Desperate indeed !! 8)

al-kulayni

Re: THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 03:50:39 AM »
Assalamu Aleykum,

1) Ibn Talha Al Shafi'i :

 Here is what Al Dahabi says about him in his book Tarikh Al Islam :
وقد دخل في شيءٍ من الهَذَيَان والضّلال ، وعمل دائرةً وادّعى أنّه يستخرج منْها علِم الغيب وعلْم السّاعة
'“And he entered in things from delirium and misguidance, and he acted on the circles[9], and claimed that he derived from it, knowledge of the unseen (al-ghayb) and knowledge of the Hour (Day of Judgment)”"

al-Dhahabī also says in his Siyar A`lām al-Nabulā’, “but he entered into the delirium of the knowledge of the letters (`ilm al-hurūf)”

Ibn Kathīr in his Ṭabaqāt al-Fuquhā’ al-Shāfi`īn says :
وقد نسب إلى الاشتغال بعلم الحروف والأوقاف ، وأنه يستخرج من ذلك أشياء من المغيبات ، وقيل : إنه رجع عنه ، فالله أعلم
 “And it is attributed that he occupied himself with the knowledge of the letters and patrimony, and that he would derive from that things from the unseen. And some say: ‘That he returned from that’. And Allāh Knows best."

source for translation : shia site http://www.revivingalislam.com/2012/04/i-am-dot-under-ba_21.html

2) Muhammad b. Yusuf Al Kandji Al Shafi'i :
Ibn Kathir says about him he was a rafidhi, a "khabeeth" who helped Tatar to rob and kill muslims and finally he was killed "wal hamdulillahi Rabb Al Alameen".
وقتلت العامة وسط الجامع شيخا رافضيا كان مصانعا للتتار على أموال الناس يقال له الفخر محمد بن يوسف بن محمد الكنجي كان خبيث الطوية مشرقيا ممالئا لهم على أموال المسلمين قبحه الله وقتلوا جماعة مثله من المنافقين فقطع دابر القوم الذين ظلموا والحمد لله رب العالمين
 source : http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m024/28/no2838.html%5B/URL%5D



al-kulayni

Re: THE MAHDI'S BIRTH.
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 03:51:27 AM »

 

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