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Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2020, 06:59:40 PM »
Nice takfir. You accuse others of hate and envy but what you said above shows your hatred and eny. The best part is its nicely covered up by disguising it with the names of Ahlul Bayt. The reality is both you and Taair ul Quds left Islam and went mental. Why? The reason if you involved yourself jinns. Today those jinns they still continue to deceive  you by telling you as they are Shia like yourself.

If you are smart, you would tell that yes I don't believe in Islam the same way Taair ul Quds doesn't, we both believe in Mohammad (s), Fatima (a) and twelve successors (a) with all our hearts though.

As for taair al quds, it's as the saying goes, "the one who ran (to God) doesn't return".
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 07:02:29 PM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2020, 07:13:08 PM »
To make clear my view, Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature. The Quran is a book of white magic, God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic, so annulling what Satan cast is an act of white magic. Guidance itself is magical in nature.

Without white magic, no prayer to God is of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah.

What is meant by "a little action" with "prayer" is enough to get a response, means white magic.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2020, 07:28:35 PM »
What is the difference between prayer and magic?

At the heart of it, very little, black magic is prayer to Iblis and his forces, while white magic is prayer to God through his rope and word of light brought to life.

But because people can be under illusion prayer doesn't require magic on part of the performer to work, God explained both dark and white magic in Quran, and showed not to equate the two and made clear the path of white magic.

Faith itself is white magic. Good actions are themselves white magic.

And those are act of Worship and seeking help from sustenance of God and power and light from him, which is the definition of prayer to God.

In short "dark magic" is Worship of Iblis and seeking help from the cursed tree of hell, while "white magic" requires God's anointed ones as the means, and most humans are caught between this and that, and don't even know anymore the difference between good and evil.

Quran gives insights and dispels the blindness of dark magic on all humans and Jinn with just a little or any love of loving affection type love towards the family of Mohammad (s).

Of course, if approached with hating and envying them, it is of no benefit.

They are the white sorcerers it calls to, and their magic is the healing it wishes you to seek and ask them specifically for to connect us to God.

They are the names of God by which God doesn't accept actions of his servants without recognizing.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM »
If you are smart, you would tell that yes I don't believe in Islam the same way Taair ul Quds doesn't, we both believe in Mohammad (s), Fatima (a) and twelve successors (a) with all our hearts though.

As for taair al quds, it's as the saying goes, "the one who ran (to God) doesn't return".

He would go around doing takfir as a 12er Shia and you would do the same. He left Islam and so did you at one point.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2020, 09:49:01 PM »
He would go around doing takfir as a 12er Shia and you would do the same. He left Islam and so did you at one point.

I do tafkir but on no one but myself.

Humans can make mistakes. No one represents God but his representatives. No one else represents his representatives, but themselves. The delegation stops full period.

There is enough clarity in the hadiths we be passed down about the issue of disbelief in context of Quran and belief, and enough about the concept of "mustafeen" and "those who await (God's judgment in their affair)".

Ultimately, Quran is clear about it as well. Those who truly hate Ahlulbayt (a) and cling to Satanic tree will never be forgiven nor is hell temporary for anyone who does so, and ultimately, the best people are those who are closest to the firm word of light brought out by God, and ultimately those without hate of humans, those humans who love and don't have hate towards truth but were lost and confused, our hadiths numerous in this regard, that says they are forgiven.

This included even the context of people who lived during the times of Imams (a) who didn't know truth let alone now in these dark times where no religion is true, and the religion and it's affair is weak, and there is no clear proof for anyone really but a few seekers who can really defeat dark magic and reflect beyond the norms of society.

Ultimately, Muslims over all, and even all religions including paganistic ones that tap too much power from the cursed tree of hell, are in a state of equal grounds, falsehood is not longer low and truth no longer high, the word of God and his light appears just as legit as the darkness of Atheism for example to a lot of humans.

We are holding to dear life, and living in a dark night, we got to seek the day light and want God to show magical miracles again to prove his power entrusted in chosen ones so that we can rely on God's rope and the truth become evident and strong, but we are in such a dark night, that forbearance and forgiveness is what we got to for all humans including atheists, agnostics, pagans, neo pagans and even left handed spiritualists.

We are in such a dark night, nothing is evident now, no one is perishing on clear proof save wretched souls like me who evil deeds rightfully should place in hell and who lack of effort in helping humans see truth and for justice, will properly land me in hell and among the lowest of the low.

Most humans are lost, and God forgives the lost. The astray from God's path which most verses thaleen has that meaning, are those who God's wrath is upon.

There is a category of being lost or without power to acknowledge truth, and our hadiths calls these people orphans of the family of Mohammad (s).

The world is without their spiritual fathers, and they are orphans.

Scholars of either Sunni and Shiite represent Islam true or their sect, because we defined religion and Islam that way, that is why Islam like all other religions is false religions, not one sect is true in it in the open.

Yet despite all the evil approach to Quran and Sunnah, and attributing God falsehood, and misrepresenting God's rope and dividing and hating, a great amount of them if not majority, ultimately, are lost and will be forgiven and don't hate the truth.

Don't worry hell is not for you guys in this age, it's for wretched souls like me who know so much but do so little in God's way and are immersed in following Satan even though not blind to him, and eat of the tree of hell even while knowing the consequences.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2020, 12:04:21 AM »
Will you stop associating magic with Islam? I feel like throwing up.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2020, 02:07:51 AM »
Will you stop associating magic with Islam? I feel like throwing up.

You are oriented to think in a way that keeps you blind to reality as is, and we've been condition to be too scared to talk about this.  I'm spelling things as they are, God's sustenance and hidden world is magical by nature. The stars of guidance that are weapons against Iblis, connection to them and making use of them, is magical in nature.

Good actions are magical, faith itself is white magic.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2020, 05:48:42 AM »

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2020, 03:46:25 AM »
Buying from magic, is when you do evil with it, particularly, doing something that doesn't benefit them. Magic is meant to beneficial to humanity, but because so much harm can come from it, it's useful to know that as well if you want to heal others from curses.

The two Kings Harut and Marut (peace be upon them) were appointed by God at Babel to teach humans at a time when magic was wide spread. They taught the evil of it only as knowledge to know how to cure it.

As for Sulaiman (a), when he died, he was attributed a book from the devil himself by devils, and they said this how he acquired power. The successor Elyas (a) who was one after Suliaman (a), faced a whole group of people claiming to be Prophets of God who they called Bal instead of Yawheh. Children of Israel were getting confused, but Elyas (a) showed, they had no power.

Devils have the power to ignite fire, but God didn't even allow them to do that or the sorcerers, Elijah (a) miracle more so that he was able to ignite it, was that he was able to prevent by God's permission all the false Prophets and their legion of demons from doing so.

OF course, they wouldn't have accepted the challenge if they didn't believe it was an easy task they can do. After all there exists powerful Jinn who are able to bring a throne within 12 hours, of course, the power of Elyas (a) is such that he can bring in a twinkle of an eye, but fire in a tower, that is something both can do.

The reason why Elyas (a) won, was he further showed, that God can over power their powers and rob them of it, and Elijah (a) showed this to start, then showed a bunch of signs higher and higher greater and greater.

At the end, power is power, but the highest power on earth, is that which is directly sustained by God.

They are both magical in nature, Sulaiman (a) power is magical, but he was not a disbeliever engaged in practices that people accused him of and said was the source of his power nor the book the devils attributed him anything to do with it.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2020, 03:57:07 AM »
The viewpoint that God doesn't want us to practice magic is one viewpoint.

I've read hadiths that show it can be practiced, for example, there was a sorcerer who converted to Islam, and told Imam Jaffar (a) that he knows sorcery, the Imam (a) told him there is no harm as long as he doesn't tie but unties.

Of course, seeking knowledge regarding it from other then God's rope, or not keeping in mind what Quran and Sunnah say about it, and believing in the devils, is disbelief.

I will share this hadith tomorrow. It can be found in tafsir Al-Mizan and that can be found in altafsir.com if you want to look it up and translate it yourself.

Not in the mood to translate it today. Doing love spells is forbidden for example, knowing about love spells and unbinding them not only is not forbidden, it was commanded by Imam Jaffar (a) to the sorcerer who converted to Islam and knew how.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2020, 04:24:33 AM »
Whatever the reason the fate has it, I know how to retribute attack by sword of God, I know how protect myself and shield myself, and I know how to hide myself from vision of spiritual eyes.

These skils have become so intuitive to me, I can't forget it. You can say I'm a disbeliever for it, but I only used prayers of Ahlulbayt (a) to do it. Didn't learn how except from Quran and Ahlulbayt (a).

Magic is real. God didn't put us at the mercy of sorcerers and demons with no way to fight back.

The heart of Quran is "by the name of God". It's magical by nature when you say it, when you believe in it, when you use it, and when you live by it.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2020, 08:18:59 PM »
What is your opinion on Nade Ali? Do you use it for white magic?

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2020, 08:26:05 PM »
What is your opinion on Nade Ali? Do you use it for white magic?

I use similar type prayers that use Tawasul and istigha, but no longer nad Ali simply because it's not even attributed to Ahlulbayt (a) but is poetry.  The best prayer is the following type in my view:

http://duas.org/ehtejab.htm

This is the longest version of prayer against black magic, but it also happen for me to the best one:

http://www.duas.org/sabaasab.htm



"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2020, 08:32:08 PM »
Prayers against dark magic come in the following pattern:


Oh God do this and that.... (this is not looking for instant response)
I do this and that by God.... (this is instance response)
Mohammad is in front of me, Ali is behind me, Gabriel is to the right of me, and Michael to my left (realization of divine help from God).

Then there is prayers that put all three of those together.

There is also prayers that Ask God to help you, then ask the Prophet (s) or Ali (s) to help you, then again, ask God to allow them by his permission.

There are prayers of course, asking God to do this and that by Prophet (s) or Ali (a) or Imams (a).

Then there is neutral to any of those which is why the last two Surahs are worded with declaration "By the name....say I seek refuge...."... which method you are using is left for you to decide.

Or it can be a declaration of all of them... or particular one in the moment.

The 2 refuge Surahs are worded, they can be intended in any of these.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2020, 10:17:37 PM »
"So where will you go?" - this is a verse in Quran, that awakens so many. From just the viewpoint of magical world, where will we go to if not God's door and his rope and place of refuge?

All other then God is indeed an illusion, a falsehood, and what is directed towards him is what lasts.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2020, 10:49:34 PM »
If you want to know the greatest enemy we face from the offspring of Iblis, it's medusa. He is Satan's greatest daughter and closest one in serving him, the lady in red, the dragon red lady, or life of the world, the Quran refers to her "life of the dunya" because it doesn't want to go into details of Satanic demonology lol, but else where has revealed her and her army of Jinn women but you got to combine verses and really reflect to see what I mean by that, of course, what I mean by that, is her task is to beautify it and make it appear beautiful. And the more enticed you are by her beauty, the harder your heart grows and becomes stone, her and her kind, those are the worse.

Don't ever lose your guard on the lady in red.

As Gog is always possessed directly by Iblis (Ibis is the Qareen of Gog) and his wife, the carrier of the wood, is directly possessed by that daughter of Iblis I spoken about.

The lady in red makes things interesting against us believers, she is the hardest one to defeat, but this is what I mean, seeing the reality as is, helps.

The condemned world in the Quran is the world enticed by magic of Iblis and his forces, but in particular, it's Gog's wife that is tasked for this among human sorcerers.

The lady in red from another view point, is actual human being right now in this world, she is possessed and she is a sorcerer. She rules a long with Gog, this what Quran meant by "and his wife, the carrier of the wood", while Gog carries out mischief in the land (the father of the flame) and keeps people from the truth and is a sorcerer too, and is tasked with keeping people from understanding Quran, it's his wife, that is tasked with beautifying chasing what is vain, and being apathetic towards truth, justice and peace.

Those two rule the world, and Israel and US government and Saudi Government are just means of control they have.

Magog are devotees to them and this what people refer to as Illuminati, although yes officially Illuminati is disbanded. Doesn't matter what you call them.

Magic, these people, all of this is a reality. A reality we are too scared to talk about and face.

But Quran eases the believer in this world ruled by the darkness and evil, and while the believer awakens, armors them with armor and equips them with weapons.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2020, 10:56:54 PM »
So the fuel is from the wife of the father of flame.  The fuel of fire no doubt is the love of the life of this low world, she is tasked with that. Live and let live her is stupid motto.

And it makes us dark knights look notorious and evil when we task people to duty and helping God's cause.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2020, 11:02:27 PM »
Gog is the igniter and the red lady, the lady of life as they call her, is tasked with proving the fuel.

These two must be defeated, but kill em, and they are replaced. So what can we do?

All of the killers of Hussain (a) and Messengers (a) of old, must be exposed for who they are.  When reality is seen, they will have no place to rule and deceive.

They rule through means of deception and rely on us remaining blind.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2020, 01:20:38 AM »
Prayers against dark magic come in the following pattern:


Oh God do this and that.... (this is not looking for instant response)
I do this and that by God.... (this is instance response)
Mohammad is in front of me, Ali is behind me, Gabriel is to the right of me, and Michael to my left (realization of divine help from God).

Then there is prayers that put all three of those together.

There is also prayers that Ask God to help you, then ask the Prophet (s) or Ali (s) to help you, then again, ask God to allow them by his permission.

There are prayers of course, asking God to do this and that by Prophet (s) or Ali (a) or Imams (a).



Yes Kabbalah is very similar. They also include the name of Archangels.

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2020, 01:24:40 AM »
If you want to know the greatest enemy we face from the offspring of Iblis, it's medusa. He is Satan's greatest daughter and closest one in serving him, the lady in red, the dragon red lady, or life of the world, the Quran refers to her "life of the dunya" because it doesn't want to go into details of Satanic demonology lol, but else where has revealed her and her army of Jinn women but you got to combine verses and really reflect to see what I mean by that, of course, what I mean by that, is her task is to beautify it and make it appear beautiful. And the more enticed you are by her beauty, the harder your heart grows and becomes stone, her and her kind, those are the worse.

Don't ever lose your guard on the lady in red.

As Gog is always possessed directly by Iblis (Ibis is the Qareen of Gog) and his wife, the carrier of the wood, is directly possessed by that daughter of Iblis I spoken about.

The lady in red makes things interesting against us believers, she is the hardest one to defeat, but this is what I mean, seeing the reality as is, helps.

The condemned world in the Quran is the world enticed by magic of Iblis and his forces, but in particular, it's Gog's wife that is tasked for this among human sorcerers.

The lady in red from another view point, is actual human being right now in this world, she is possessed and she is a sorcerer. She rules a long with Gog, this what Quran meant by "and his wife, the carrier of the wood", while Gog carries out mischief in the land (the father of the flame) and keeps people from the truth and is a sorcerer too, and is tasked with keeping people from ....

I remember this from the Matrix movie.

 

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