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Title: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 02, 2020, 08:22:39 PM
The Quran has talked about Jibt and paralleled with it believing it to believing in the Taghut. Taghut and Jibt go together and cannot be separated.

This is because without sorcery the Quran would be a clear book, but God confirms his signs even after the casting, and so it's a force of will and holding on to God's rope and it is act of power of faith, to hold on to the light over the darkness of the sorcery pertaining to God's verses.

And it's hard, I know.  I've been attacked by demons and sorcerers my whole life, and probably should've died a long time ago, but I've survived and now am thriving because I fight it off and know what it is.

It is for this reason I was able to come back to believing in Mohammad (s) after being misguided with respect to Quran by sorcery that made me disbelieve.

I see demons and sorcery from a young age till now.  This is something you have to factor in, or you won't be guided.  If it was irrelevant, Quran would not emphasize on it nor mention it.

Not a wish of either a Rasool or Nabi but pertaining to it - sorcery was cast. This sorcery is not just something that can explained by history or culture or bias, it really messes you up to the degree you can't see what otherwise is very clear by language, flow, and contextual rules of language.

In the hadiths there are mines that are confirmation of the sorcery and there is also insights that are cure to the sorcery.

This is includes both Sunni and Shiite hadiths, and includes what has been declared authentic or even reached tawatur level as a curse mine that confirms the sorcery, and the cure includes even what is declared as weak or fabricated by a liar.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 03, 2020, 01:48:04 AM
Sihr is a bloodline agreement. One person signs up an oath to sign up 7 generation into it. Some in the family do not get signed up and suffer without knowing why they experience bad luck. Also the sad reality is many Muslims are into sihr. It does not matter if they are Shia or Sunni. This are just cover ups.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 03, 2020, 04:50:19 AM
Sihr is a bloodline agreement. One person signs up an oath to sign up 7 generation into it. Some in the family do not get signed up and suffer without knowing why they experience bad luck. Also the sad reality is many Muslims are into sihr. It does not matter if they are Shia or Sunni. This are just cover ups.

Also, don't confuse suffering with sorcery, Ayub was ill and suffered due to Iblis casting on him, however, he came out stronger.

Believers suffer from sorcery but are never defeated by it.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 03, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
Also, don't confuse suffering with sorcery, Ayub was ill and suffered due to Iblis casting on him, however, he came out stronger.

Believers suffer from sorcery but are never defeated by it.

What ruqyah methods do should the believers use to overcome sihr? As you know sihr on people has been done for years and years.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 03, 2020, 09:07:18 PM
What ruqyah methods do should the believers use to overcome sihr? As you know sihr on people has been done for years and years.
That's a different topic but related to this.  There are means Ahlulbayt teaching the following are foundational:

1. Using God's Name as a Veil
2. Using God's Name as an Asylum/Protection
3. Using God's Name as a sword to repel and attack back

These three are emphasized with respect to black magic by Ahlulbayt (a).

Then there is other things, but those 3 skills are foundational.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 03, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
For the Sunnis its different.
We have to recite Surah Baqarah, falaq and nass daily as starting point. Then there are various ruqyah types online.
In additional we need to do daily adhkar after fajr and magrib.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 03, 2020, 10:21:44 PM
For the Sunnis its different.
We have to recite Surah Baqarah, falaq and nass daily as starting point. Then there are various ruqyah types online.
In additional we need to do daily adhkar after fajr and magrib.

Suratal Falaq and Suratal Nass only work if you combine these 3 skills when you say "by the name of God..." which is the foundation of the Quran and is the best verse of the best Surah in Quran (Suratal Fatiha).

Without action by intention and interior force, prayers can't work. You need a bit of action, and you need to believe in the nature of God's Name and gain some insight to it.

Just like Sunnah explains prayers (Salah), the hadiths and prayers of Ahlulbayt explain the name of God and how to tap into it and hold on to it.

It's only then Suratal Fatiha becomes secure way to God and only then do two last Surahs give insight on to repel dark sorcery.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 03, 2020, 10:27:00 PM
Then there are various ruqyah types online.


Reciting verses out of context of Quran which is what most Ruqyas are, can be used, to amplify darkness and blindness to Quran and help break the flow.  The soul when it sleeps and becomes heedless is no longer distressed and in pain, but falling asleep to get rid of pain from sorcery is not the best way.

Sometimes you have to embrace pain and fight your way through and hold on the water of light and blessings from God as did Ayub and fight back with tools and weapons from God as did Ayub did.

The prayers of Ahlulbayt show how to fight and wield weapons.

As for Veiling, it means blind them to you and disbelieve in what the sorcery says who you are, and you disappear when you do this with power.

As for asylum, it's the sky and stars therein, talked about in Quran, you have to look inward to see it and believe and remember what you are linked to.

As for the sword that fights back,  you have to lest your sins darkens your soul and then are consumed by envy and rebellion and heedlessness, and the light of protective fear is extinguished in your heart, which is the greatest warrior of gratitude, patience, love, compassion and is also an ally to hope that keeps hope growing.

And you have to fight back the demons that consume you and are destroying your world, and see them, with the sword of God, you can sense and hit them.

These 3 skills are not the only skills but they are foundational. What I mean by that, is without these, chances of success are low.


Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 03, 2020, 10:51:27 PM
We have to recite Surah Baqarah

This can be both the awakener to it and cure, but only if recited properly.  To recite properly, you also need skills from other Surahs and you have to understand the distortion in the Torah to some extent. And you need the skills I talked about.

At the end, if this Surah is recited properly, and the heart receives, it's an ultimate cure from it and a safeguard for life. This not easy to achieve but must be striven for.

It's then you will gain mental clarity like never before to the world and it's history. Particularly, you will know of the role of sorcery with respect to it and you will know not to trust humans who are overpowered by it which is the majority of humans.



Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 04, 2020, 01:36:02 AM
Suratal Falaq and Suratal Nass only work if you combine these 3 skills when you say "by the name of God..." which is the foundation of the Quran and is the best verse of the best Surah in Quran (Suratal Fatiha).


In the Shafi school of thought you have to say Bismillah like the Shia schools.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 04, 2020, 01:37:34 AM
This can be both the awakener to it and cure, but only if recited properly.  To recite properly, you also need skills from other Surahs and you have to understand the distortion in the Torah to some extent. And you need the skills I talked about.

At the end, if this Surah is recited properly, and the heart receives, it's an ultimate cure from it and a safeguard for life. This not easy to achieve but must be striven for.

It's then you will gain mental clarity like never before to the world and it's history. Particularly, you will know of the role of sorcery with respect to it and you will know not to trust humans who are overpowered by it which is the majority of humans.






The Torah and the Yahood are mentioned in a lot in Surah Maidah. This Surah works well against Kabbalah magic.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 04, 2020, 01:42:11 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?=Uox15OrVmwk
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 05, 2020, 12:23:05 AM
Do you remember Taair al Quds? I wonder if was involved with this stuff. He had great knowledge, but he was arrogant. In the end he left Islam. I noticed a lot of ex muslims are also into sihr. Then they open denounce religion and make it seem as if they were believers before.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 06, 2020, 02:05:50 AM
Do you remember Taair al Quds? I wonder if was involved with this stuff. He had great knowledge, but he was arrogant. In the end he left Islam. I noticed a lot of ex muslims are also into sihr. Then they open denounce religion and make it seem as if they were believers before.

We can go rabbit hole route, but the Quran as far as we can tell, it exposes people of the past up to the time of the Prophet (s), but everyone else, we have to study history and Imammate is a huge question regarding that, because if we are right, then it was Gog and Magog who killed Ahlulbayt (a) and oppressed them.

Of course Gog and Magog is something that they don't want exposed and so we have silly hadiths about this concept, but original revelation was in context in how they were believed by Christians and Jews.

And so we can go this route, but the first thing that needs to be done,  is acknowledge majority of humans have a sorcery on them and can't recite Quran properly as a result.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 06, 2020, 03:32:03 PM
The problem isn't only that majority of people have sihr done to them.  This becomes a problem only when they are unaware. The main issue is majority of the world are into magic and they depend on the shayateen to help them in the education, careers, remove competition and get revenge.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 06, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
I love how 12er Shia cover themselves by using Sunni books. Taair al Quds defends 12er Shiaism by saying all forms of magic is haraam. Yet he later contradicts himself here.
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I personally possess a number of these books by the Sunnis for reference/academic purposes in my library.

I also knew a late Sunni Saint (may God Bless him) on personal level who was from the Ovaysia Tariqat and practiced all the halal forms of white magic and had many books which he inherited from his Sunni Sufi tariqat/lineage

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/61499-quote-from-khamenii/?do=findComment&comment=834217
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 05:46:47 AM
Salam

Quran is a book of ultimately white magic.  Salah is suppose to be a form of white magic. Halal itself is a continuous ritual to be on guard of impure energy but suppose to make us distrust even more so sources of knowledge from other then God's book and his Appointed authorities. Prophets were White sorcerers but their sorcery was not naturally acquired, but rather, directly sustained power infused from revelation and guidance and sustenance from God "You did not throw when you threw but God threw".

Of course, when disbelievers meant Mohammad (s) was possessed or sorcerer, they meant it in the view, that his miracles were either performed by natural power acquired that even an evil person can acquire or that his miracles were done by demons and he was possessed by them and doesn't even realize what is happening.

There is more on this topic because miracles will return when Imam Mahdi (a) comes back in the open.

Part of defeating sorcery of the dark kind is getting connected to the tree of light and word of light brought out by God by which he establishes the believers. In fact, this is the main way and this is what is meant by the name of God.

Quran is a book of magic, if not read with white magic, it will not heal.  It becomes a healing mainly when force of will seeks help and Angels use it to heal darkness.

The Prayers in Saheefa Sajidaya are calculated keeping in mind this reality and compliment the Quran, and there is but a one or two mistakes that oppose the Quran in Saheefa Sajjadiya but over all definitely from Imam Zainal Abideen (a) and is a book of magic.

The Du'as of Ahlulbayt are meant to be white magically done.

And in fact, no du'a is accepted without some action by the doer. What is meant by that, is some white magic.

The difference in Islam, white magic includes retribution vengeance type magic, but only does, using the light.

While polytheists source of energy comes from evil tree of hell, the tree of envy, and who's branches is like that of the heads of the devils.

So their energy is two different things. Our happiness and their happiness may appear the same, our hate and their hate appear biologically same,  our good deeds and their good deeds appear to be one, and our love and their love of Creator one and the same, but this is what you need to realize,  energy and sustenance stemming from other then the name of God is evil through and through and dark are the pathways that lead away from God, be they appear outwardly to be the same.

The name of God is God's chosen rope and the household of time,  and the word of light. You are connected to it but chances since you don't see Ahlulbayt (a) through out it's pages, you've made a mountain of Iblis' power and main a gnat of the position of the Nabi(s) and Fatma (a) and the 12 Successors (a).

And for this reason, despite Imam's (a) power and Ahlulbayt (a) being more powerful now then any other age, and despite all the blessings of God's power and skills,  God cannot guide you, because you cling to Satanic tree.

This is what Quran means that the hard hearts follow the sorcery upon Quran, they are overpowered and see Satan over power them, and believe in his power, but don't guard or fight against it, nor pray to God nor fight off the sorcery with the soul's sword nor seek help from God's rope nor seek the family of the reminder for signs in the hidden and open world, and as a result perish.

And as for the verse "and were it that the Quran....and that the dead be talked to...", this is what Quran can do, it can even unveil you that you talk to the dead from history and see all dead souls, and it has that power per our hadiths, the Quran does.

The dead in hell don't believe in hell as they should, just like the disbelievers in this world are in hell, but don't acknowledge it.  The full reality and clear truth will be on the day of judgment.

And dead of disbelievers don't cease to disbelieve in Iblis after their death nor stop in serving him but rather further are immersed in a new type of falsehood, and the war between good and evil intensifies even there, but in different ways.

The day when proof without doubt possible, is the day of judgment, that's it. Even Mahdi (a) and Jesus (a) coming back, they will be accused of being sorcerers or possessed humans.

Demonic powers are limited and can't create reality, only distort it, can't bring into anything, just illusions of what the truth is, can't give power, only motivate out of dark energy and envy, can't teach the truth and guide towards it, but just immerse you in falsehood.

And Iblis (la) doesn't believe in God and believes,  deeply he knows the God of the chosen ones is true, but has even deceived himself that he is false, and false sky and illusion created by the chosen ones.

The damn creature believes he is good and has a case. He believes in the moral and way, but from another perspective, does not.

He has layered the world in deception, and their excuse of putting a sorcery to keep people from Ahlulbayt (a), is that people would be fools and follow these sorcerers, and believe Quran is created in synergy with magic, and so their excuse to hiding the truth of it, is that the people are not ready to understand sorcery and all it exposes.

And as for majority of Gog and Magog, they are deceived, in believing, Mohammad (a) was from a family of sorcerers and rebelled against them.

Abu Lahab was the Gog of his time, and so this is not fully wrong. What they don't understand, is that God raised him among the sorcerers of Arabia and Jinn worshipers, in the same way, he did so with hiding Moses' among Pharoah's people.

Mohammad (s) in a early age, was guided by Elyas (a) and he told him not to read a single book, despite Mohammad (s) thirst for knowledge and his awareness of God's family of the reminder. He and this is paraphrasing what I know of Quran, was told, "Oh Mohammad we know your heart is a seeker of truth and guide towards it, but you must be silent and must be patient and not read books and God will relieve you because this will help one day build your case when you receive the revelation"

It's a lie that Mohammad (s) was surprised and ran to Khadija (a) when revelation came, and doubted himself, rather, he heard Satan cry and Ali (a) was with him, and heard him and saw him as well, and Mohammad (s) said to Ali (a) "You hear all that I hear and you see all that I see, except you aren't a Nabi and verily you are a vizier and you are on good".

To believe Mohammad (s) wasn't aware of the dark energy, wasn't rational enough to see Satan and believe in Jesus (a) and his precedessors (a) is a big lie, rather Quran shows, that he sought the family of the reminder, and was guided by them before his Prophethood.

Mohammad (s) was never blind to reality,  he chose not to read books, to prove a case.  He neither read books of Christians or Jews nor sorcery of Abu Lahab and the likes, before revelation came to him permitting him to read.

And despite this, they accused the Quran of being a product of a group reciting it to him and teaching it, by that, they meant a group of Bani-Hashim who were now rebelling against the order of the gathering of Jinn and Humans, and breaking the ancient order.

They meant Mohammad (s) was pretending, and these people forged the Quran, and taught him sorcery, and taught him all of it.

Of course, this is despite, that the fact, Quranic verses were circumstantially revealed, and Quran was made over time, without order we see today. Rather, even verses were revealed in Meccan Surahs near the end of Prophet's (a) life, and early verses were revealed who would be put in context of what is mostly Madini verses.

And aside from that,  the Quran proves it's case, but this was the height of their accusations. First they accused a person teaching him who was not Arabic, then moved it to that. That is why Suratal Furqan is so important to understand with regards to God's path.

And white magic is the only way to defeat the dark magic, and so there must be a book of white magic from God and proof for it, and the Quran is a book that even the dark sorcerers make use of, and learn of it's ways.

They understand it better then Muslims, but are immersed in their own world.  And they will bring their view, when there is no Muslim aware of their view of magic and the Quran in this respect.

And we are approaching this. And this why they attack anyone becoming aware of them from Muslims and attack him with demonic forces, and watch every step taken by a person reading Quran to keep him blind.

You are to awaken to the world as it is, and not what they wish to hide from humanity. Atheism is a joke of all jokes, and it's no wonder Quran just addresses mainly as 2 birds in one stone to prove Tawheed and that, but it's not something to take seriously.

The world we live in, and all deeds, and all you will, is an act of magic, and evil deeds have an evil form due to that link to the tree of envy of hell, and good deeds have a good form due to the link to the word of God brought to life, the pure word, the tree of life.

God is the greatest one to be sought and helps by the means that connects us to him firmly.

The light lives and the leader is a white magician who power is directly sustained by God.  What disbelievers meant by magic of course, was, that he was demon possessed.

And this is war in the hidden world Iblis and his top forces on one hand, and Gabriel and Michael on the other hand.

And Gabriel calls to the King of time, the light, the leader, the Mahdi (a). And Michael calls to Gabriel.

And Gabriel forces need us to believe, and Michael forces, have it hardest, because they aren't working with good people, but are there to spread God's Compassion and make of the battle of good deeds and protect against evil deeds.

And all their power is linked to the root light the word of God, the tree of life, the Ahlulbayt (a) and the Angels ascend and descent from the house of time, the family of the reminder, who are the sky and starts of guidance - the place of safety and greatest weapons which we must get connected to.

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.






Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 07, 2020, 02:56:24 PM
Are you gone nuts? Allah power is not sihr. Here you come down and defend it and call it white magic? The word sihr isn't even used. This is disgusting.

White or black its all haram. Magic means dillusion.  Turning a stick into snake is power from Allah which magic cannot do.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 07, 2020, 03:27:26 PM


The name of God is God's chosen rope and the household of time,  and the word of light. You are connected to it but chances since you don't see Ahlulbayt (a) through out it's pages, you've made a mountain of Iblis' power and main a gnat of the position of the Nabi(s) and Fatma (a) and the 12 Successors (a).

And for this reason, despite Imam's (a) power and Ahlulbayt (a) being more powerful now then any other age, and despite all the blessings of God's power and skills,  God cannot guide you, because you cling to Satanic tree.

Nice takfir. You accuse others of hate and envy but what you said above shows your hatred and eny. The best part is its nicely covered up by disguising it with the names of Ahlul Bayt. The reality is both you and Taair ul Quds left Islam and went mental. Why? The reason if you involved yourself jinns. Today those jinns they still continue to deceive  you by telling you as they are Shia like yourself.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 04:50:45 PM
Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature.  The Quran is a book of white magic,  God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic.

Without white magic, no du'a of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
Nice takfir. You accuse others of hate and envy but what you said above shows your hatred and eny. The best part is its nicely covered up by disguising it with the names of Ahlul Bayt. The reality is both you and Taair ul Quds left Islam and went mental. Why? The reason if you involved yourself jinns. Today those jinns they still continue to deceive  you by telling you as they are Shia like yourself.

If you are smart, you would tell that yes I don't believe in Islam the same way Taair ul Quds doesn't, we both believe in Mohammad (s), Fatima (a) and twelve successors (a) with all our hearts though.

As for taair al quds, it's as the saying goes, "the one who ran (to God) doesn't return".
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 05:13:08 PM
To make clear my view, Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature. The Quran is a book of white magic, God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic, so annulling what Satan cast is an act of white magic. Guidance itself is magical in nature.

Without white magic, no prayer to God is of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah.

What is meant by "a little action" with "prayer" is enough to get a response, means white magic.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
What is the difference between prayer and magic?

At the heart of it, very little, black magic is prayer to Iblis and his forces, while white magic is prayer to God through his rope and word of light brought to life.

But because people can be under illusion prayer doesn't require magic on part of the performer to work, God explained both dark and white magic in Quran, and showed not to equate the two and made clear the path of white magic.

Faith itself is white magic. Good actions are themselves white magic.

And those are act of Worship and seeking help from sustenance of God and power and light from him, which is the definition of prayer to God.

In short "dark magic" is Worship of Iblis and seeking help from the cursed tree of hell, while "white magic" requires God's anointed ones as the means, and most humans are caught between this and that, and don't even know anymore the difference between good and evil.

Quran gives insights and dispels the blindness of dark magic on all humans and Jinn with just a little or any love of loving affection type love towards the family of Mohammad (s).

Of course, if approached with hating and envying them, it is of no benefit.

They are the white sorcerers it calls to, and their magic is the healing it wishes you to seek and ask them specifically for to connect us to God.

They are the names of God by which God doesn't accept actions of his servants without recognizing.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 07, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
If you are smart, you would tell that yes I don't believe in Islam the same way Taair ul Quds doesn't, we both believe in Mohammad (s), Fatima (a) and twelve successors (a) with all our hearts though.

As for taair al quds, it's as the saying goes, "the one who ran (to God) doesn't return".

He would go around doing takfir as a 12er Shia and you would do the same. He left Islam and so did you at one point.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 07, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
He would go around doing takfir as a 12er Shia and you would do the same. He left Islam and so did you at one point.

I do tafkir but on no one but myself.

Humans can make mistakes. No one represents God but his representatives. No one else represents his representatives, but themselves. The delegation stops full period.

There is enough clarity in the hadiths we be passed down about the issue of disbelief in context of Quran and belief, and enough about the concept of "mustafeen" and "those who await (God's judgment in their affair)".

Ultimately, Quran is clear about it as well. Those who truly hate Ahlulbayt (a) and cling to Satanic tree will never be forgiven nor is hell temporary for anyone who does so, and ultimately, the best people are those who are closest to the firm word of light brought out by God, and ultimately those without hate of humans, those humans who love and don't have hate towards truth but were lost and confused, our hadiths numerous in this regard, that says they are forgiven.

This included even the context of people who lived during the times of Imams (a) who didn't know truth let alone now in these dark times where no religion is true, and the religion and it's affair is weak, and there is no clear proof for anyone really but a few seekers who can really defeat dark magic and reflect beyond the norms of society.

Ultimately, Muslims over all, and even all religions including paganistic ones that tap too much power from the cursed tree of hell, are in a state of equal grounds, falsehood is not longer low and truth no longer high, the word of God and his light appears just as legit as the darkness of Atheism for example to a lot of humans.

We are holding to dear life, and living in a dark night, we got to seek the day light and want God to show magical miracles again to prove his power entrusted in chosen ones so that we can rely on God's rope and the truth become evident and strong, but we are in such a dark night, that forbearance and forgiveness is what we got to for all humans including atheists, agnostics, pagans, neo pagans and even left handed spiritualists.

We are in such a dark night, nothing is evident now, no one is perishing on clear proof save wretched souls like me who evil deeds rightfully should place in hell and who lack of effort in helping humans see truth and for justice, will properly land me in hell and among the lowest of the low.

Most humans are lost, and God forgives the lost. The astray from God's path which most verses thaleen has that meaning, are those who God's wrath is upon.

There is a category of being lost or without power to acknowledge truth, and our hadiths calls these people orphans of the family of Mohammad (s).

The world is without their spiritual fathers, and they are orphans.

Scholars of either Sunni and Shiite represent Islam true or their sect, because we defined religion and Islam that way, that is why Islam like all other religions is false religions, not one sect is true in it in the open.

Yet despite all the evil approach to Quran and Sunnah, and attributing God falsehood, and misrepresenting God's rope and dividing and hating, a great amount of them if not majority, ultimately, are lost and will be forgiven and don't hate the truth.

Don't worry hell is not for you guys in this age, it's for wretched souls like me who know so much but do so little in God's way and are immersed in following Satan even though not blind to him, and eat of the tree of hell even while knowing the consequences.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 07, 2020, 10:04:21 PM
Will you stop associating magic with Islam? I feel like throwing up.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 08, 2020, 12:07:51 AM
Will you stop associating magic with Islam? I feel like throwing up.

You are oriented to think in a way that keeps you blind to reality as is, and we've been condition to be too scared to talk about this.  I'm spelling things as they are, God's sustenance and hidden world is magical by nature. The stars of guidance that are weapons against Iblis, connection to them and making use of them, is magical in nature.

Good actions are magical, faith itself is white magic.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 08, 2020, 03:48:42 AM
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Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 01:46:25 AM
Buying from magic, is when you do evil with it, particularly, doing something that doesn't benefit them. Magic is meant to beneficial to humanity, but because so much harm can come from it, it's useful to know that as well if you want to heal others from curses.

The two Kings Harut and Marut (peace be upon them) were appointed by God at Babel to teach humans at a time when magic was wide spread. They taught the evil of it only as knowledge to know how to cure it.

As for Sulaiman (a), when he died, he was attributed a book from the devil himself by devils, and they said this how he acquired power. The successor Elyas (a) who was one after Suliaman (a), faced a whole group of people claiming to be Prophets of God who they called Bal instead of Yawheh. Children of Israel were getting confused, but Elyas (a) showed, they had no power.

Devils have the power to ignite fire, but God didn't even allow them to do that or the sorcerers, Elijah (a) miracle more so that he was able to ignite it, was that he was able to prevent by God's permission all the false Prophets and their legion of demons from doing so.

OF course, they wouldn't have accepted the challenge if they didn't believe it was an easy task they can do. After all there exists powerful Jinn who are able to bring a throne within 12 hours, of course, the power of Elyas (a) is such that he can bring in a twinkle of an eye, but fire in a tower, that is something both can do.

The reason why Elyas (a) won, was he further showed, that God can over power their powers and rob them of it, and Elijah (a) showed this to start, then showed a bunch of signs higher and higher greater and greater.

At the end, power is power, but the highest power on earth, is that which is directly sustained by God.

They are both magical in nature, Sulaiman (a) power is magical, but he was not a disbeliever engaged in practices that people accused him of and said was the source of his power nor the book the devils attributed him anything to do with it.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 01:57:07 AM
The viewpoint that God doesn't want us to practice magic is one viewpoint.

I've read hadiths that show it can be practiced, for example, there was a sorcerer who converted to Islam, and told Imam Jaffar (a) that he knows sorcery, the Imam (a) told him there is no harm as long as he doesn't tie but unties.

Of course, seeking knowledge regarding it from other then God's rope, or not keeping in mind what Quran and Sunnah say about it, and believing in the devils, is disbelief.

I will share this hadith tomorrow. It can be found in tafsir Al-Mizan and that can be found in altafsir.com if you want to look it up and translate it yourself.

Not in the mood to translate it today. Doing love spells is forbidden for example, knowing about love spells and unbinding them not only is not forbidden, it was commanded by Imam Jaffar (a) to the sorcerer who converted to Islam and knew how.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 02:24:33 AM
Whatever the reason the fate has it, I know how to retribute attack by sword of God, I know how protect myself and shield myself, and I know how to hide myself from vision of spiritual eyes.

These skils have become so intuitive to me, I can't forget it. You can say I'm a disbeliever for it, but I only used prayers of Ahlulbayt (a) to do it. Didn't learn how except from Quran and Ahlulbayt (a).

Magic is real. God didn't put us at the mercy of sorcerers and demons with no way to fight back.

The heart of Quran is "by the name of God". It's magical by nature when you say it, when you believe in it, when you use it, and when you live by it.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 09, 2020, 06:18:59 PM
What is your opinion on Nade Ali? Do you use it for white magic?
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
What is your opinion on Nade Ali? Do you use it for white magic?

I use similar type prayers that use Tawasul and istigha, but no longer nad Ali simply because it's not even attributed to Ahlulbayt (a) but is poetry.  The best prayer is the following type in my view:

http://duas.org/ehtejab.htm

This is the longest version of prayer against black magic, but it also happen for me to the best one:

http://www.duas.org/sabaasab.htm



Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 06:32:08 PM
Prayers against dark magic come in the following pattern:


Oh God do this and that.... (this is not looking for instant response)
I do this and that by God.... (this is instance response)
Mohammad is in front of me, Ali is behind me, Gabriel is to the right of me, and Michael to my left (realization of divine help from God).

Then there is prayers that put all three of those together.

There is also prayers that Ask God to help you, then ask the Prophet (s) or Ali (s) to help you, then again, ask God to allow them by his permission.

There are prayers of course, asking God to do this and that by Prophet (s) or Ali (a) or Imams (a).

Then there is neutral to any of those which is why the last two Surahs are worded with declaration "By the name....say I seek refuge...."... which method you are using is left for you to decide.

Or it can be a declaration of all of them... or particular one in the moment.

The 2 refuge Surahs are worded, they can be intended in any of these.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
"So where will you go?" - this is a verse in Quran, that awakens so many. From just the viewpoint of magical world, where will we go to if not God's door and his rope and place of refuge?

All other then God is indeed an illusion, a falsehood, and what is directed towards him is what lasts.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 08:49:34 PM
If you want to know the greatest enemy we face from the offspring of Iblis, it's medusa. He is Satan's greatest daughter and closest one in serving him, the lady in red, the dragon red lady, or life of the world, the Quran refers to her "life of the dunya" because it doesn't want to go into details of Satanic demonology lol, but else where has revealed her and her army of Jinn women but you got to combine verses and really reflect to see what I mean by that, of course, what I mean by that, is her task is to beautify it and make it appear beautiful. And the more enticed you are by her beauty, the harder your heart grows and becomes stone, her and her kind, those are the worse.

Don't ever lose your guard on the lady in red.

As Gog is always possessed directly by Iblis (Ibis is the Qareen of Gog) and his wife, the carrier of the wood, is directly possessed by that daughter of Iblis I spoken about.

The lady in red makes things interesting against us believers, she is the hardest one to defeat, but this is what I mean, seeing the reality as is, helps.

The condemned world in the Quran is the world enticed by magic of Iblis and his forces, but in particular, it's Gog's wife that is tasked for this among human sorcerers.

The lady in red from another view point, is actual human being right now in this world, she is possessed and she is a sorcerer. She rules a long with Gog, this what Quran meant by "and his wife, the carrier of the wood", while Gog carries out mischief in the land (the father of the flame) and keeps people from the truth and is a sorcerer too, and is tasked with keeping people from understanding Quran, it's his wife, that is tasked with beautifying chasing what is vain, and being apathetic towards truth, justice and peace.

Those two rule the world, and Israel and US government and Saudi Government are just means of control they have.

Magog are devotees to them and this what people refer to as Illuminati, although yes officially Illuminati is disbanded. Doesn't matter what you call them.

Magic, these people, all of this is a reality. A reality we are too scared to talk about and face.

But Quran eases the believer in this world ruled by the darkness and evil, and while the believer awakens, armors them with armor and equips them with weapons.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 08:56:54 PM
So the fuel is from the wife of the father of flame.  The fuel of fire no doubt is the love of the life of this low world, she is tasked with that. Live and let live her is stupid motto.

And it makes us dark knights look notorious and evil when we task people to duty and helping God's cause.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
Gog is the igniter and the red lady, the lady of life as they call her, is tasked with proving the fuel.

These two must be defeated, but kill em, and they are replaced. So what can we do?

All of the killers of Hussain (a) and Messengers (a) of old, must be exposed for who they are.  When reality is seen, they will have no place to rule and deceive.

They rule through means of deception and rely on us remaining blind.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 09, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
Prayers against dark magic come in the following pattern:


Oh God do this and that.... (this is not looking for instant response)
I do this and that by God.... (this is instance response)
Mohammad is in front of me, Ali is behind me, Gabriel is to the right of me, and Michael to my left (realization of divine help from God).

Then there is prayers that put all three of those together.

There is also prayers that Ask God to help you, then ask the Prophet (s) or Ali (s) to help you, then again, ask God to allow them by his permission.

There are prayers of course, asking God to do this and that by Prophet (s) or Ali (a) or Imams (a).



Yes Kabbalah is very similar. They also include the name of Archangels.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 09, 2020, 11:24:40 PM
If you want to know the greatest enemy we face from the offspring of Iblis, it's medusa. He is Satan's greatest daughter and closest one in serving him, the lady in red, the dragon red lady, or life of the world, the Quran refers to her "life of the dunya" because it doesn't want to go into details of Satanic demonology lol, but else where has revealed her and her army of Jinn women but you got to combine verses and really reflect to see what I mean by that, of course, what I mean by that, is her task is to beautify it and make it appear beautiful. And the more enticed you are by her beauty, the harder your heart grows and becomes stone, her and her kind, those are the worse.

Don't ever lose your guard on the lady in red.

As Gog is always possessed directly by Iblis (Ibis is the Qareen of Gog) and his wife, the carrier of the wood, is directly possessed by that daughter of Iblis I spoken about.

The lady in red makes things interesting against us believers, she is the hardest one to defeat, but this is what I mean, seeing the reality as is, helps.

The condemned world in the Quran is the world enticed by magic of Iblis and his forces, but in particular, it's Gog's wife that is tasked for this among human sorcerers.

The lady in red from another view point, is actual human being right now in this world, she is possessed and she is a sorcerer. She rules a long with Gog, this what Quran meant by "and his wife, the carrier of the wood", while Gog carries out mischief in the land (the father of the flame) and keeps people from the truth and is a sorcerer too, and is tasked with keeping people from ....

I remember this from the Matrix movie.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 09, 2020, 11:35:03 PM
Yes Kabbalah is very similar. They also include the name of Archangels.

I had a dream which felt like it was 3 days, and no one was there with me but the Prophet (s) helping me see my enemies and fight against them. And he also taught me later how to address Imam Mahdi (a).

I don't care what people believe, I can't be in their shoes, but I know I have one year left in computer science left, and were it not for the Prophet (s) and him appearing to me and teaching me so much in a time when I doubted Islam or was more closer to disbelief then belief,  I would neither be able to do school and go back nor would I have been able to solve the problems the sorcery cast upon me made me assume of the Quran nor would I have seen the truth of my illness which is not medical nor psychological, even though both of these have some elements to it,  my illness is like Ayub faced from Iblis and I was full fledged attacked when I expressed sincere love to God and fell in love with him.

The Prophet (s) in that long place, and I swear it felt more real and I was more awake in it then real life, more lucid in it that lucidity in real life, it was not like a dream at all,  taught me so much.

I will never disbelieve my experience with him (s) and I don't know why it wasn't Ali (a) or Imams (a) or Imam Mahdi (a) that came and did this, I've had experiences with them, but it was the Prophet (s) and his soft approach healed me and made me see reality as is, and I knew I could do school from then.

And I been right about that at least. So we'll see what other tasks I achieve.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 10, 2020, 12:15:31 AM
Try finishing Surah Baqarah daily. You will see a big difference after a month.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 12:24:44 AM
Like Ayub (a), I don't mind the pain, and there is enough streaming water to cool off with and I have enough of the blessed tree to fight with it "and strike with it", there is no harm with patience any spell or attack from Iblis, as long ask I keep fighting I will slice and dice his forces and he can keep sending them my way for all I care.

God will heal me, and I will be cured. I am 100% sure, but it's through fighting and acting on terms of God and believing in the streaming help from him.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 10, 2020, 01:26:58 AM
So you rather use supplications with  Imams and Arch angels instead of reading the Quran?
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 01:50:43 AM
So you rather use supplications with  Imams and Arch angels instead of reading the Quran?

Du'as of Ahlulbayt nor Istagha nor connecting to them nor believing in the unseen are independent of what Quran says.  It's as Prophet (s) says "they will not separate", if you see it as two different things, the proof of God, then Quran is false itself as it calls Mohammad (s) the clear proof in Suratal Bayana while also calling the Quran that in other places, rather, they go together. And it called Mohammad (s) the reminder revealed and called the book that in many places. And it said for Mohammad (s) to connect anyone to the sky through a ladder if he can so as to bring a sign,  Mohammad (s) would gladly do it for an Atheist even, but the Atheist like the Quran shows, would think either 1. He is going crazy 2. If not that, he is possessed by sorcery.

They won't be calm with Mohammad (s) connecting them, their spirit is allergic to holy power.

Quran calls to Ahlulbayt (a) and Ahlulbayt (a) call to Quran, in fact, even saying this does injustice to their unity.

When reciting Quran, there is key places, where if Ahlulbayt (a) don't connect and appear to the reciter, their heart will remained veiled.

And example of this is the line "...and remain of what the family of Moses and family of Aaron has left the Angels carrying it...", if you can't understand then what Quran is saying, you pretty much fate is sealed into your ignorance. 

And this is when Imams (a) would appear to a reciter and inspire them, if they can, Ahlulbayt (a) would, if they can connect anyone, they would.

The Quran is saying even all dead come talk to you, all Angels, etc, even then, even then, it is by God's permission. But God will force reality to be accepted on one day only and make it beyond just clear, it's no room for denial, and that's day of judgment.

Barzakh life - a lot of their own thoughts there - and hell is not as vivid as it will be on the day of judgment, though there is punishment and they live a narrow life, disbelievers there, it's nothing like the hell they come to after day of judgment.

Distrusting the holy spirit, Gabriel, Michael, Imams (a), Prophet (s), is against the whole message of Quran. And Quran calls to seek sustenance from God.....

The Prophet (s) is blessed and rich, and doesn't mind plunging even in the most unclean places and will help us and purify us all of sorts of curses and remove them, if we let him.

If you are ready to put Angels (a) and Prophets (a) and Messengers (a) and Imams (a) and the holy ladies (a) all on suspect if they appear to you,  you pretty much have closed the door to skies yourself and don't want God to connect you to him through his rope and means.

Keeping reading a book that appears ambiguous to you, see where that get's you.

And I read Quran so much, that I've been discouraged through out my life to read it, by everyone I know, not as in don't read it, they mean read it a bit less, do other things sort of advice.

But I just wanted to comment on your word "instead". To me, when I go to Quran and seek refuge in God, I know his beautiful names are living connections to God and try to make Ahlulbayt (a) the eyes by which I see spiritually.

They are those who the favor of Islam to humanity is upon, no one else, they are to sought spiritually and their words in traces of knowledge (hadiths) and we are to pray to God that we meet the physical body of the Imam (a) as well. All this reinforces each other and works with the Quran.

I guarantee without Quran, and Imam Mahdi (a) comes as a human to me, shows me miracles, and say I never Quran read my whole life, I would think he was a sorcerer that was trying to control me - an evil one.

But with reasoning Quran showed that miracles are signs of his trustees and is direct power from God and why he wouldn't trust such power in evil people or normal people,  it would be different if he meets me now.

The arguments the Quran does for Mohammad (s) and his miracles, and Messengers (a) and their miracles in the past,  that compliments Imam Mahdi (a) coming in human body - meeting a person, and showing miracles.

Same with spiritual connection, without Quranic context, I probably would've thought I'm just crazy or not know left from right good from evil or who to trust in the unseen world.

But with mental clarity, I saw the holy healing energy of the Prophet (s) when he connected to me and the telepathy in vision and words and hearing was all clear and I can tell the difference between unclear spirit and holy pure spirit.

You can doubt me if you want, that is okay I don't mind, but at least try yourself to get connected to God by some means of approach.

If you already going to say it all must be devils and only devils appear, and I only going talk to God, that's a choice you make.

The light - this is what Quran is about. It is a an idea? Like a concept? Or is it a reality a living one, and if so, is it like physical energy? None of this is the case.

It's the leader and he is connected with his family and they watch him and he watches us all.  The Quran repeats the concept of witness and companion that watches, the one who write our deeds, and is the leader, the human leader among us....

This instead thing is pathetic bro. It's like a person wastes time on video games, does all sort of other things other then remember God.... but that's okay, but if I spend sometime connecting to Ahlulbayt (a) who are the greatest way to remember and see and approach God, all of a sudden, it's disrespecting Quran and taking time away from God.

What a joke. You guys think like kids.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on June 10, 2020, 02:38:05 AM
What a joke. You guys think like kids.

You rather astral project into the astral plane and send time with your jinns?
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 02:46:21 AM
You rather astral project into the astral plane and send time with your jinns?

Jinn attack every human, whether they are aware of it or not, heedless or not, Atheist or Theist.  I just been attacked in a different way, in a way Ayub (a) has been.

Without Quran and Ahlulbayt (a), I'd be dead right now.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 09:43:38 PM
Abdaal, my friend, you use to have more hope and courage then this.

You need to learn

1. To Cloak (go unseen and veil yourself with the light of God)
2. Slice and dice with the sword of God.
3. Enter a protective bubble/barrier/asylum of God's Name.

Learn these ASAP. I can recommend Du'as from Ahlulbayt (a) but you don't trust our hadiths.

All I can tell you, is you need to learn those skills asap, or the sorcery and hardness of heart becomes unrepairable at a point.

 
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 10:18:34 PM
Spin attack of arrows and sword unleashed against Satanic dark forces

The hadiths and prayers of Ahlulbayt (a) taught to us and handed to us showing the following about the sacred mysterious letters.

1. They are ways to know Ahlulbayt (a) and reality of God's Name.
2. Although general, there is one it's particular to which is why they add up to 14.
3. Aside from knowing who it refers to, as titles, they bring in so many concepts of Quran together if properly understood.
4. These letters and their place in Quran, can be used to seek help also of Angels (a) and obedient spirits and God's (swt) army in general, because they are mysterious proofs of light, and if you hit back with proofs, of higher intelligence and truth, you can dispel magic.
5. Consequently, Any concept and themes you find of Quran, are found some way or another in these letters, but intensified in a unity in a way, only understood by a few seekers of truth in this regard.

Consequently, in some prayers of Ahlulbayt (a) it uses some or all or most of these letters to attack the sorcery. And in a prayer, we say regarding Angels (a) "so they help us attack them with far reaching proofs".

This is what I mean by that faith is white magic, because it makes use of higher light type proofs, of all kinds, in the Quran, and before that in other sacred white magic books from God.

Rituals are all made by God to compliment the book revealed of that time. I will get into some sacred secrets of Salah per Quran in this regard, and I will show why to me, Salah is a an act of white magic.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 10:35:58 PM
Also, these letters are closely tied with understanding hell with respect to God's judgement to those who oppose, hate, or envy the tree of light.

And actually, it's that understanding of hell, that ignites the proofs and sword of God to hurt them with retribution. Without belief in hell, you can't repel dark magic. I will be proving this, when explaining Salah and white magic.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 10, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
Suratal Fatiha appeared so simple, yet over time, the majesty of those 7 verses are revealed, and especially the first one "By the name..". The Quran is a majestic book and Suratal Fatiha can be said to be an explanation of all of Quran and Quran all an explanation of Suratal Fatiha.

Those who know it, know it, and it's as Imam Reda (a) says who that chapter won't save, then nothing (probably) will.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 11, 2020, 02:18:47 AM
Will you stop associating magic with Islam?
Your wish is my command lol.


Because God is the Truth, and his light truth, and his Prophets guided by the truth, and they perform miracles through true living power, and are not based on what people know of magic, which is all illusion of Iblis built on unclean energy and falsehood, the Quran of course, didn't call itself white magic nor the hadiths but rather it said this is the truth.

The truth and God's power in his chosen ones, stems from living one, and it's real knowledge, and it's guidance.

From this viewpoint, of course, Quran is not a book of magic, it's not like magic people practice, but it ultimately does dispel through healing power and weapons of power the dark sorcery upon it and upon our hearts and souls.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 11, 2020, 02:27:18 AM
Why did I call it white magic, because language is a tool. That's what it is. From the view point that there is no physical world, only God and spiritual idea words spoken to exist, then there is no point of even calling it magic. It's the truth. The truth yes is God who is powerful and can lend power and skills to dispel falsehood and false magic.

I chose the tittle because some people entice people to the Satanic world, by the word magic. I'm saying Abrahamic faiths are magical too, but not based on chaotic guessing and choosing and seeking but based on the firm word of God he establishes, through the holy spirit.

Now that this is addressed, yes, Quran and Sunnah and Prophet (a) and Imams (a) don't have anything to do with magic, and what I meant by white magic, was of course, what Quran calls the truth. The truth which the courses to God and leaders of guidance guide by and light the way by, and gain power through and see the true living Lord through and will help direct us and see God through as well.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 11, 2020, 02:34:44 AM
Of course, unlike Sunnism, our Imams (a) spoke of dark magic as a tool, you learn of the poison to know the cure. The cure doesn't come from dark magic though, or illusions of Iblis, it comes from God.

God cures the diseases afflicted on souls by the dark forces. No one else but he and his beautiful names and rope and guidance can do so.

Learning diseases with intention to cure yourself and others by truth is noble, and this how they explained the verse about sorcery in Suratal Baqara.

The trial of trials, is if you sell yourself and begin to curse others or seek power from the dark ones, this is what Quran meant, the two kings were a trial, and our hadiths from Imam Reda (a) argue for example, they weren't Angels because Quran says Angels don't represent him let alone teach humans sorcery haha, but they were two kings and they were successors of a Prophet, and from his family, so they were in other words Imams before Abraham  (a)and Moses (a).....

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 11, 2020, 02:39:57 AM
To turn away from God and practice magic is disbelief, from the viewpoint I just spoken about.

Of course, the truth from the life of God and our connection to him through the tree of life, is more powerful then all Satanic magic put together. This is what Quran wishes us to believe.

If we believe in God and his connection to us, we become of great power and Iblis is of no challenge. The problem is we don't trust and over time, lose our power and he gains slowly sway.

With perception and knowledge though, it's easy to slice and dice Satanic forces by the sword of God and proofs from God in form of higher world stemming light.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 11, 2020, 04:26:42 PM
http://www.duas.org/sajjadiya/s17.htm


[Shakir 7:200] And if a false imputation from the Shaitan afflict you, seek refuge in Allah; surely He is Hearing, Knowing.
[Shakir 7:201] Surely those who guard (against evil), when a visitation from the Shaitan afflicts them they become mindful, then lo! they see.
[Shakir 7:202] And their brethren increase them in error, then they cease not.
[Shakir 7:203] And when you bring them not a revelation they say: Why do you not forge it? Say: I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord; these are clear proofs from your Lord and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.

We see in the prayer against Satan I linked, the following among other things is referred to:

1. Barriers
2. Weapons against him.
3. Planning against him and outwitting him.

We can see Adam (a) was first tricked, but, over time, he gained more intelligence in form of wittiness by trusting God and repenting to Him. From this perspective, the leaves from the garden most probably refers to putting up a barrier after sins. This is important, lest our sins darken our hearts and defeat it.

Adam (a) was foolish when he forgot God and turned to a false direction, but he wasn't insincere or untrue to himself. Even though foolish, his chosen status was not diminished, because he learned from it and turned back to God.

And don't get me wrong, Iblis is quite the trickster, but we can outsmart him, if we learn from our mistakes.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 12, 2020, 02:20:34 AM
The following is a prayer that is attributed to Imam Ali (a), he taught the following prayer, and I will bold the part about magic:

O Allah I beseech You by that name which is preserved in the hidden treasurers,
which is the greatest and the most important, Proof, Truth, Protector, Pure, which is light and is from light.
It's light is with the light, and that light is above all lights, light filled with lights, brightness in brightness.
That light by which all the darkness was illuminated/shined, which destroyed all the compellers which could not be controlled by the Heavens or the Earth.
O He through whom the fear of a fearful can be averted, the magic of the magician be cast away,
the conspiracy of consipiror can be void, the jealousy of every jealous be finished, the rebellion of every rebel is stopped,

in Presence of His Greatness the mountain the dryness, the wetness split open
and if spoken then the Angels protect and if written on a ship and left then the stormy waves cannot reach it,
with it every transgressor and enemy and disobedient devil is controlled and it is Your Majestic and Greatest name which You have used for Yourself,
by which You are on the Holy Throne and on Your Exalted chair.
O Allah who is Greater and the Greatest,
O Allah the honoured light unparalled Greater of the Heavens and the Earth.
O Lord of Majesty and Generosity I beseech You by Your Honour and Your Majesty and Your Power and Your Abundance and by the Position of Mohammad and his pure family(s.a.w.a.).
I supplicate to You by You and by Mohammad and his family that send blessings on Mohammad and his family and free me,
and my parents and the believing men and the believing women from the fire of Hell
and send blessings on Mohammad and his family.
Surely You are the Praised the Glorious.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 12, 2020, 07:56:35 PM
Quran alone leads to belief in the Jibt and Taghut. Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) breaks the sorcery, and true Quran is found in Ahlulbayt Souls no where else, and they know how break the sorcery regarding it.

This why Ibn Abbas called it the tragedy of all tragedies when they prevented Rasool (s) from writing his will.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 12, 2020, 10:32:58 PM
The skills I talked about, are all found asked for, in the following prayer:

https://youtu.be/vktyChLybNw
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 12, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
It's fair to say, since there is a huge distinction on the power of Prophets and sorcery, to understand why one can display miracles in form of proofs while the latter can't, we need to understand what both are.

This is what I mean, it takes ALOT of reasoning to see why miracles are proof. But intuitively, if we say Prophets (s) must display this power if not false, it comes from knowledge intuitively that is a proof if they do perform it.

But why is this intuitive. It comes from believe in God and his power and that being the truth, while the other type of magic, is based on illusion and falsehood.

So while Jesus (a) can create a bird and blow into it a spirit, and bring a dead back to living, sorcerers cannot have such powers, because they aren't delegated sustenance from God.

Anyone with goodness (ie. sustained by God) to the degree of the power able to split the moon while keep the earth and oceans intact and no consequence or shine a light from their hand in the case so bright yet doesn't harm the eyes, these are clear proofs.

Moses' displayed brightness from his hand in form of light yet it was without evil, no harm to the eyes. The translation of white, is wrong. This is a miracle and this when truth was apparent.

The first snake from a stick was a miracle, but because illusionary or hallucinations appeared in people's eyes that dispelled by the snake, and it showed them to be illusions, but people can say whatever if Moses' is just causing us to hallucinate, this became more and more impossible, miracle by miracle, including his hand starting as a small light to a brightness that was so bright that there eyes would've hurt but there was no evil out of it.

And so the truth was apparent. But God keeps bringing greater proofs.

And a difference between peak of Demonic powers from viewpoint of being possessed and demons doing it, is that for example around 5-12 hours, a Jinn pledged he can bring a throne, perhaps him and others with him, can do it together, but the one who had knowledge from the book which I believe was Elyas (a), was able to bring in a twinkle of an eye.

Solomon (a) wanted to show there is a huge difference between magic and demons who he controlled and what they can do under an evil person, and what he himself had power of, but allowed Elyas (a) who his whole knowledge was from the book, to do it, to display also who would be his successor.

Anyways, while subtle, you can say what's the difference between moving a throne in 5-12 hours, to, a twinkle of an eye, well it's the former, we can see demons together doing it, it's not impossible that creatures hiddenly exist with such powers, but would God delegate twinkle of an eye teleportation to even evil creatures and how would they have such power?

Such power wouldn't be delegated to evil people. And so this is what I mean. You have to see it from the vantage point that God is rational, good, and wants to stay as King and control of people to submit to him, for miracles to make sense as proof.

Otherwise, if imaginations run while, yes fiction can assume immense evil power.

More will be said on this topic, but the other way to see it, is to know of dark magic. After all, it was the sorcerers who believed in Moses' because they know limits of what magic can achieve having been experts themselves.

So while people say don't learn magic, I say don't do harm with it, but rather learn it, so you can know how dispel the harms by God's Name and honorable sustenance and his sword and light and that you can see the difference between God's power and illusions and know the limitations of the power of Iblis and his forces.

Consequently you will be attacked by them if you go research with this intention, but, do so anyways relying on God. This way, you know when God's appointed light and guide opens doors to the sky, you know the difference between true sky and illusionary magic world they call to.

Astral projection I've done it a couple of times and see what I look like there, this is not the same as the illiyin and sky that Mohammad (s) can connect you to. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) can connect us and bring us with a ladder to the sky, if we follow them, and bring a clear proof.

This is nothing like the astral projection world, and I know both well enough.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 18, 2020, 06:04:20 PM
The heart of defeating the sorcery is in the beginning of Suratal Baqarah, and it's the phrase "they believe in that which is hidden", and then the Surah expounds on this, but no doubt, it's not about believing the sorcery and it's deception, but to disbelieve in what it calls to (the Taghut) and believe in God by holding to his handhold, while his handhold and chair extends over everything in the universe and the earth and skies themselves.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on June 18, 2020, 06:27:19 PM

From now I don't talk from the context of magic/sorcery from neutral context, but Arabic Quran context, and so I will refer to white magic as the truth from God and guidance and power and sustenance from him, while sorcery refers to simple wrong usage and sources of magic though they can perform some things like make a golden cow move, it's not the power the Prophets (s) had nor their path.

That said:

Ayatul Kursi is the peak of Quran but only due to the foundation of "they believe in that which is hidden" in the Surah makes it go to that peak.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on August 20, 2020, 07:12:19 PM
I started reciting Suratal Baqara every day or twice sometimes in the same day, a long with reciting Quran in order (finished Quran in two weeks, and in one day got from start to finishing Surah 6). But I think every day if I have the time I will try t recite Suratal Baqara. This Surah has become short for me despite being the longest Surah, and it's easy for me to see the flow and I see about 10 reasons why it's a cure to sorcery from dark forces.

Thank you for the suggestion Abdaal.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on August 21, 2020, 11:12:40 PM
Surah Imran is the next best surah to build up that spiritual strength against sihr. I would say after you reach the count to 100 then move on to Surah Imran.

Also, the references to Sihr is almost every Surah. Take this verse for example.

They will say, "Exalted are You! You, [O Allah ], are our benefactor not them. Rather, they used to worship the jinn; most of them were believers in them."(Surah Sabah verse 41)

In addition Sahirs are required to commit sin such as eating pork and work with blood. So if you recite those verses that forbids that it weakens it. Also, many stronger ones do incest so you can read those verses as well.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on August 22, 2020, 01:39:27 AM
Surah Imran is the next best surah to build up that spiritual strength against sihr. I would say after you reach the count to 100 then move on to Surah Imran.

Also, the references to Sihr is almost every Surah. Take this verse for example.

They will say, "Exalted are You! You, [O Allah ], are our benefactor not them. Rather, they used to worship the jinn; most of them were believers in them."(Surah Sabah verse 41)

In addition Sahirs are required to commit sin such as eating pork and work with blood. So if you recite those verses that forbids that it weakens it. Also, many stronger ones do incest so you can read those verses as well.

I finished Quran within 2 weeks. I will go through it again. I'm saying addition to that I been listening to Surah Baqara every day.

You saying to continue that method but do it with Suratal Ali-Imran instead of Suratal Baqara?
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on August 22, 2020, 06:04:12 AM
Try to finish Surah Baqarah 100x in 3 months and then finish Imran in 3 months. The shaytaans will have trouble when they try to fight you.


Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on August 22, 2020, 03:41:15 PM
Try to finish Surah Baqarah 100x in 3 months and then finish Imran in 3 months. The shaytaans will have trouble when they try to fight you.

Some days I listen to Suratal Baqara twice, in the morning and in the night. However, going back to school this fall, so not sure if I will have time.

The Nabi in that long vision/dream I had with him, taught me to recite Suratal Falaq a lot.  That is what he advised me with way back.  But then about a year ago, Ahlulbayt told me in a dream to stop reciting it so much and instead because of my knowledge I gained of the ontological argument, to recite Suratal Tawhid/Ikhlaas instead.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on October 30, 2020, 03:50:27 AM


She talks about the Imamate of Prophet Ibrahim (as), Israel (as) and his 12 sons where the bloodline started. She also mentions how the Israelis married Cannite women who were sahirs, and how they started tampering that bloodline.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on November 05, 2020, 04:54:51 PM
What makes it difficult to help you and teach you what I know, is that, you always resort to unclear and non-certain things no matter what topic.

You love ambiguity and hate relying on what is clear beyond doubt without a shred of doubt, and build your perception on array of ambiguities and don't build on clear insights that are certain.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on November 05, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
I am so glad I frustrated you... ;D
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on November 05, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
It's fine to have a playful attitude when you are talking to people in general and for example, if you learn math it's fine to make jokes, it's fine in almost everything you can learn, and laugh about it.

The case with God and his religion,  the Quran emphasizes to give such sacred seriousness to Quran and the Sunnah, that your heart should be coming shivering from fear of saying anything about God other then truth or saying about God what you don't know.

Religion is not a game for believers, but it is for everyone else.   Stop building on doubts and ambiguity, for what Quran means "follow the best of it" is what is clear of it's insights and what you should see of it and know beyond doubt and see what it proves - and how God contextualizes his own words in a way that is so clear, clearer and more firm in that, then what humans can do.

There is no crookedness in Quran, the Ulil-Amr are clearly defined, the reward verses are clearly defined, the love of Ahlulbayt (a) - is clear.

The topic of Ahlulbayt (a) in this age, and in the past ages, is vividly clear.

We Muslims enjoy this bickering out of rebellion to one another and striving for egoistic pride in religion, and the result if the world is a mess, and people who immerse themselves in this,  we are responsible over every hungry child, every oppression and are the reason why oppressors rule us and even rule anywhere in the world.

This is clear in the words of Ahlulbayt (a) and Quran, and can be proven.

This dialogue we are having, trillion years from now, we either in heaven or hell, and from that time hindsight, we will either be happy we enjoined truth and were honest to ourselves and took it seriously or while burning with no escape in sight will know - had we listened attentively or use your minds sincerely to know the truth,  guidance would have been easy and catastrophe avoided.

I'm frustrated because I've known you Abdaal for years and I have compassion for you and others, but especially you over others because we use to talk on msn if you haven't forgotten and not just about religion but about girls, school and other stuff.

It hurts that very few humans take truth seriously and don't want to mix falsehood with it.

What is the point of knowing truth when you believe in falsehood with it and mix it all up. The truth doesn't benefit, unless we shrink from what is false, and knowledge will become firm if we don't believe as knowledge what we have no reason to nor proof of any kind nor see.

The Quran is a book of proofs, it has more proofs then what the amount of verses it has, and so much signs, and ways of travelling and downloading insights, whether short or long, and whether very very long or very very fast, it's a book of light and knowledge.

You don't understand my frustration for you or for people in general or people I know closely or the person I'm in love with, but keep smiling there.


Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on November 05, 2020, 08:50:24 PM
The methodology of how we view the Quran differs. For me there are Mukhatmath and Mutashabiath verses. There is stop in the verse to say only Allah knows the final meaning of Mushabiath verses.
 For 12er Shia it differs.
1) They believe they are created from a special clay
2) They consider themselves as Khassa and others as Ammi
3) For them it was Al Baqir who finally gave the truth to the Khassa, but was careful with giving the full truth to the Ammi
4) The stop differs for 12er Shia for the verse talking about Mukhamath verses and the Imams knows how the final meaning with Allah.


As for our past convo, I was not aware of sihr before. These past crushes were part of sihr al Muhabbah. It was the Muslims pretending to be Muslims and going to Shaytaan asking for wishes.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on November 05, 2020, 09:05:17 PM

4) The stop differs for 12er Shia for the verse talking about Mutashabiath verses and the Imams knows how the final meaning with Allah.

Meant of say Mutshabiath here.




Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on November 19, 2020, 06:28:12 PM
4) The stop differs for 12er Shia for the verse talking about Mutashabiath verses and the Imams knows how the final meaning with Allah.

Meant of say Mutshabiath here.

Some of the Qariats Sunnis believe also stop there, and not on "Allah" in verse 3:7.

Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Rationalist on November 21, 2020, 02:35:51 AM
Some of the Qariats Sunnis believe also stop there, and not on "Allah" in verse 3:7.



Yes I have seen that. I need to acknowledge all opinions that are there.
Title: Re: The sorcery and this issue.
Post by: Soccer on November 24, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
Yes I have seen that. I need to acknowledge all opinions that are there.

The Sunni stance is to synthesize Qariats, so in this case, you would have to say it means God and the firmly rooted in knowledge know it's interpretation since the stop at Allah (swt) can be seen for emphasis.