Brother, when you do things like this, with due respect, it only undermines your credibility in my eyes.
By quoting Shia hadeeth, my credibility fades in your sight. Why? Do you have allergy with these ahadeeth? Hopefully we'll soon find out why.
We both know that the same narrators who narrated that also narrated that which directly contradicts the Salafi-Athari Aqeedah. Furthermore, not negating nor likening is already part of the Shia Aqeedah, and if you had researched further, you would have known that the Mutazila went too far and even negated the names of Allah (swt).
I know that, there are Shia hadeeth which contradict Salafi Aqeedah, also the Aqeedah of Ahlus-sunnah in general(including Salafis) like seeing Allah in day of Judgement. However the motive behind quoting you those Shia reports from Shia Imams was to educate you about the acknowledgement of your Imams for basic principle in Salafi Ideology. That is
(i). Shia Imam affirmed that rule of isbat bila tashbih (accept without likening) .
(ii). Shia Imam also affirmed Attributing Allah what He has attributed to Himself and not considering Him similar to His creatures. AND affirming whatever has confirmation in the book and the Sunnah.
These two principles are two fundamental principle of Salafi ideology based on which they have formed their beliefs in the light of Quran and Sunnah. And since these two main principles of Salafis are affirmed by Shia Imam, then tell me how do Salafis violate these rules? Because they accept the attributes of Allah without likening, that has been confirmed in the Book and the Sunnah, like the Imam says. Infact they are the strictest among the Ahlsunnah wal Jama'ah to abide by these principle laid down by your infallible Imam. Were as the other innovator sects among Ahlus-sunnah violate these principle by rejecting the literal meaning of those attributes and making it tawil, without any evidence from the Salaf.
Furthermore, you can not have any claim to being part of the orthodox Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah given you consider the largest group , the Ashari and the Maturidi , as innovators, deviants, and deniers of the attributes. They are also often referred to as the Jahmiyya.
As per the hadeeth of Prophet(saws) which is present in both Sunni and Shia books, out of 73 sects of Islam, only one will enter Jannah, the rest will enter hell-fire. And the one which will enter Jannah will be the one who follows Prophet(SAWS) and Sahaba(RA). The beliefs of Salafis which you try criticize out of ignorance, Salafis can prove them from AUTHENTIC Prophetic ahadeeth or the reports of Sahaba(RA). Hence, keep the unacademic and childish argument of majority being against Salafi Aqeedah on the side. Since 72 sects out of 73 from the Ummah are majority. So here is food for thought to figure out which one is the saved sect.
Shaykh ’Abdul-Qaadir al-Jilaani (d.561H) said: “As for al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) it is Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah, and there is
no name for Ahlus-Sunnah except one – and that is Ashaabul-Hadeeth (the People of Hadeeth).”
Imaam Al-Asbahaanee (d.535AH) said: “
The sign of Ahlus-Sunnah is that they follow the Salaf as-Saalih and abandon all that is innovated and newly introduced into the Deen.” (Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil Mahajjah 1/364)
Imaam Asbahaanee (d.535AH) said: “
The Ahlul-Hadeeth were mentioned, and they are the saved sect upon the truth until the Hour is established” (Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil-Mahajjah 1/246).
Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728AH) said: “T
he most deserving people of being the Firqat an-Najiyah (saved sect) is Ahlul-Hadeeth wa as-Sunnah who do not follow anyone with bigoted allegiance except the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam). [al-Fataawa 3/247].
As for your claim, that Salafis cannot claim to be part of Orthodox Ahlusunnah, then Salafees/Ahlul-hadeeth are the orthodox Ahlus-sunnah. And its not me, what the following testimonies of highly revered classical Sunni Scholars who declare Ahlul hadeeth to be the victorious group or Saved sect from the Ummah.
The Aided and Victorious Group:“
The Victorious Group is the Saved-Sect, there is no difference because it consists of one reality” (Shaykh Abu Usamah Saleem Ibn ‘Eed al-Hilaalee)
The Prophet (SAWS) said: “There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious upon the truth, not being harmed by those who oppose them until the command of Allaah comes about, and they are like that.” [Related by Muslim (6/52-53) and Abu Dawud (2/202) from Thawban.]
Ibn al-Mubarak (d.151H) said: “According to me,
they are Ashabul-Hadîth. [Sharafu Ashabul-Hadeeth (p.26) of al-Khateeb al-Baghdaadi]
Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal RAH (d.241H) : Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal was asked concerning the victorious group, he replied, “
If the victorious group are not the Ashaabul Hadeeth then I do not know who is.” (Ma’arifah Uloom al-Hadeeth of Haakim (pg.2 no.3) the chain is good and Ibn Hajr authenticated it in Fath ul-Baari (13/293) under hadeeth (no.7311).
Al-Haakim said: Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal did well when he commented on this report by saying that the victorious group who will prevail until the Hour begins is “ashaab al-hadeeth” (the people of hadeeth).
Who is more deserving of this description than people who follow the way of the righteous and follow in the footsteps of the salaf who came before us, and exposed the falsehood of the people of bid’ah (innovation) by basing their arguments on the Sunnahs of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?
Ma’rifat ‘Uloom al-Hadeeth, by al-Haakim al-Nisaboori, p. 2, 3 ]
Al-Qadi Iyad said: “What Ahmad intended was
Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamâ’ah: those who hold the ’Aqidah of Ahlul-Hadeeth.”[ Sharh Saheeh Muslim (13/67) of an-Nawawi.]
Imaam Bukhaari RAH. (d.256H) : Imaam Bukhaari said concerning the victorious group,
“ie they are the Ahlul Hadeeth.”(Masalah al-Ihtijaaj Baa ash- Shaafi’ee Lil-Khateeb(pg.47), The chain is authentic, al-Hujjah Fee Bayaan al-Muhajjah (1/246).
Ibn Muflih (763 H) said:“
Ahul Hadeeth, they are the Victorious Group, established upon the Haqq (Absolute truth)”. (Al Adaab Ul Shar’rah 1/211)
Imaam Alee Ibnul Madeenee (d.234AH) said concerning the hadeeth: “There shall not cease to be a group from amongst my Ummah apparent upon the truth”…”
They are Ahlul-Hadeeth” (Ad-Deenar p.63 of Imaam Adh-Dhahabee d.748AH)
Imaam Ibn Hibbaan RAH (d.354H) : Haafidh Muhammad bin Hibbaan al-Bustee established the following chapter heading for a hadeeth, “
In mentioning the hadeeth by which some of the Mu’attilah (those who deny Allaahs attributes) censure the Ahlul Hadeeth because they are deprived from divine guidance in relation to its correct meaning.”
(Saheeh Ibn Hibbaan, al-Ehsaan (no.566), another edition (no.565).
Abu Ismaa’eel Abdur Rahmaan bin Ismaa’eel as-Saboonee RAH (d.449H) :He wrote a book titled,
‘Aqeedatus-Salaf Wa Ashaabul Hadeeth’ in it he says, “The Ahlul Hadeeth have the Aqeedah, they testify Allaah The Glorious is above the seven heavens upon his Throne.” (Aqeedatus-Salaf AshaabulHadeeth pg.14).
Abu Mansoor Abdul Qaahir bin Taahir bin Muhammad al-Baghdaadee RAH (d.429H) : He said concerning the people of Shaam, “
All of them are upon the Madhab of Ahlul Hadeeth from Ahlus-Sunnah”. (Usool ud deen pg.317).
Imaam As-Sam’aanee (d.489AH) said: “From that which proves that the
Ahlul-Hadeeth are upon the truth is that if you were to read all of their written books, from the first of them to the last of them, their old and new, along with the fact that they lived in different countries and times and there were long distances between them and each one of them lived in a region from amongst he regions, y
ou will find them upon a single way and single matter with regards to the explanation of the creed” (Al-Intisaar li-Ahlul Hadeeth. p.45).
Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (d.751AH) said: “Everyone knows that the Ahlul-Hadeeth are the most truthful of all the groups, as
Ibnul-Mubaarak (d.181AH) said, ‘I found the Religion with the Ahlul-Hadeeth, kalaam with the Mu’tazilah, the lie with the raafidah, the trick with the people of opinion” (Mukhtasar Sawaa iqul-Mursalah 2/359)
Haafidh Ibn Hibbaan mentioned the following attribute of the Ahlul Hadeeth, “
They act upon the Sunnah, defend it and annihilate its opponents.” (Saheeh Ibn Hibbaan, al-Ehsaan (no.6129), another edition (no.6162) also refer to (1/140 before hadeeth no (61).
Abu Bakr bin A’yaash, who was from amongst the taba Tabi’een said: “
The Ahlul Hadeeth in every era are like the people of Islaam in relation to other religions.” (al-Meezaan (1/57) of Sha’araanee).
Imaam Ahmad bin Sinaan al-Wasitee RAH (d.259H) : He said, “
there are no people of innovation in this world except that they have enmity for the Ahlul Hadeeth” (Ma’arifah Uloom al-Hadeeth of Haakim pg.4 no.6 and the chain is authentic).
Imaam Suyootee RAH (d.911H) : He said in explanation of the verse. “And remember) the Day when We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imam (Sooralal-Israa 17:71) “T
here is no better virtue for the Ahlul Hadeeth than that because there is no other Imaam for the Ahlul Hadeeth other than the Messenger of Allaah (Sallalahu Alayhee Wasallam)” (Tadreeb ur-Raawee 2/126).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (d.728Ah) said: Hence it is clear that the people who
most deserve to be called the victorious group are “Ahl al- Hadeeth wa’l-Sunnah”, who have no leader to follow blindly apart from the Messenger of Allah (SAWS). They are the most knowledgeable of people concerning his words and deeds,the most able to distinguish between what is sound and what is not [of hadeeth]. Their imams have deep knowledge of that, they are the ones who understand its meanings and are the most sincere in following it.They accept it and believe in it, and act upon it. They show love to those who adopt it and they show enmity to those who oppose it. They are the ones who measure any idea against that which is proven in the Qur’an and Sunnah, so they never adopt any idea and make it one of the basic principles of their religion unless it is proven in that which the Messenger brought. Rather they make that which the Messenger brought,the Qur’an and Sunnah, the foundation and basis of their beliefs. With regard to the issues concerning which people dispute, such as the attributes of Allah, the divine decree, the threat of Hell, the names of Allah and the principle of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil, etc., they refer that to Allah and His Messenger. They examine the general ideas concerning which the different groups dispute, and whatever of these ideas is in accordance with the Qur’an and Sunnah, they approve of it, and whatever goes against the Qur’an and Sunnah, they reject it.They do not follow conjecture or whims and desires. For following conjecture is ignorance and following whims and desires without any guidance from Allah is wrong doing.
(Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 3/347, 348).
And also Sheikh-Ibne Taymiyyah said “
We do not take the meaning of Ahlul Hadeeth to just mean the people who heard (ahadeeth), wrote them or narrated them rather we mean anyone who takes care to memorize it, understand it and follow it, both inwardly and outwardly.”[Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 4/95]
Al-Khateeb al-Baghdaadi (d.463H) said:“And if only the people of blameworthy opinion busied themselves with beneficial knowledge, and seeking the Sunnah of the Messenger of the Lord of Creation, and followed the way of the fuqaha and muhaddithoon – then they would find that this would be sufficient for them. And the narration would take the place of his opinion which he used to hold; since the Hadîth comprehends the fundamentals of Tawhid, the reported Threats and the Promises, the Attributes of the Lord of Creation – who is High above the saying of the apostates, it also contains information about Paradise and Hell-Fire, and what Allaah has prepared therein for the pious and the wicked, and what Allaah has created in the earths and the heavens, and the remarkable things and great signs, and a mention of the nearest Angels – those drawn up in ranks and those who recite tasbih. And the Hadeeth comprehends stories of the about the pious ascetics and Awliya, wonderful admonition and sayings of the Scholars. It contains histories of the kings of the ’Arabs and non-’Arabs, and the accounts of past nations, and descriptions of the battles of the Messenger (SAWS); his expeditions, rulings, judgements, sermons, warnings, predictions and miracles. It also contains information about the number of his Wives and Children, his Relatives and Companions, and a mention of their excellence and merit, and a mention of their lives, their actions and their ancestry. And the Hadeeth contains tafseer of the Qur’aan, information and the wise remembrance contained in it. It contains the sayings of the Companions about its preserved rulings, the different sayings they held, as well as those of the Scholars and mujtahids.
And Allaah made Ahlul-Hadeeth (the People of Hadeeth) the pillar of the Shari’ah and the destroyer of every despicable innovation. So they are Allaah’s wardens amongst His creation, and the link between the Prophet (SAWS) and his Ummah, and the strivers to preserve His Deen. So their light shines brightly, their excellence remains, their signs are clear, their positions evident and their proofs are over-powering. And all the sects coil themselves around vain desires and prefer opinion which they cling to – except for Ahlul-Hadeeth, since the Book is their provision, the Sunnah is their proof, the Messenger their leader and to him is their ascription. They do not deviate upon vain desires, nor turn to mere conjecture. They accept what is reported from the Prophet (SAWS) and they are the trustworthy and reliable ones, who memorise the Deen and are its treasurers, its storehouses of knowledge and its bearers. If anyone differs about a hadeeth, then it is referred back to them. Thus, their judgement is accepted and listened to. From them is every Scholar and Imaam, and every true ascetic, and one of excellence, and precise reciter and righteous Khateeb. They are the Saved-Sect and their way is the straight one … ” [Sharafu Ashabul-Hadeeth (pp.7-9)]
it would have been better if you kept the the post about Allah , the Almighty being over the throne, without deciding to quote traditions which do not agree with any of your claims and when investigated further have nothing to do with the claims made by the Salafi-Aqeedah.
Shia shaykh Abu Jafar al-Barqi (d 274), in his book “al-Mahasin” (1/231-231) narrated from Abu Basir, which reported from one of Imams:
لا تكذبوا الحديث إذا أتاكم به مرجئ ولا قدري ولا حروري ينسبه إلينا ، فإنكم لا تدرون لعله شئ من الحق فيكذب الله فوق عرشه
Don’t reject hadith which ascribed to us, if it come to you from muriji, or qadari, or haruri. Because you don’t know, perhaps things from the truth (in those reports)
AND (BY REJECTING IT) YOU WOULD LIE UPON ALLAH (WHO IS) BEYOND THE ARSH.
B.
و روى الصدوق في العلل بإسناده الصحيح عن أبي بصير عن أحدهما عليهما السلام قال:
لا تكذبوا بحديث أتاكم به مرجىء و لا قدري و لا خارجي نسبه إلينا، فإنكم لا تدرون لعله شيء من الحق فتكذبوا الله عز و جل فوق عرشه
And narrated al Sadooq(ra) in al Illal (Illul ul sharai) with sahih (authentic) sanad (chain of narration) from Abi Baseer from one of the 2 Imams(as) said: Don’t reject hadith which has come to you people through murj’i, qadari and kharji attributed to us, for verily you people don’t know for it is something from the truth
AND (BY REJECTING IT) YOU WOULD LIE UPON ALLAH (WHO IS) BEYOND THE ARSH.Narrated by Kulayni in “Kafi” 1/126:
4 – علي بن محمد، عن سهل بن زياد، عن محمد بن عيسى قال: كتبت إلى أبي الحسن علي بن محمد (عليهما السلام): جعلني الله فداك يا سيدي قد روي لنا: أن الله في موضع دون موضع على العرش استوى، وأنه ينزل كل ليلة في النصف الاخير من الليل إلى السماء الدنيا، وروي: أنه ينزل عشية عرفة ثم يرجع إلى موضعه، فقال بعض مواليك في ذلك: إذا كان في موضع دون موضع، فقد يلاقيه الهواء ويتكنف عليه والهواء جسم رقيق يتكنف على كل شئ بقدره، فكيف يتكنف عليه جل ثناؤه على هذا المثال؟ فوقع (عليه السلام): علم ذلك عنده (2) وهو المقدر له بما هو أحسن تقديرا واعلم أنه إذا كان في السماء الدنيا فهو كما هو على العرش، والاشياء كلها له سواء علما وقدرة وملكا وإحاطة.
وعنه، عن محمد بن جعفر الكوفي، عن محمد بن عيسى مثله.
Ali ibn Muhammad has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from Muhammad ibn Isa who has said the following.
“I wrote to Imam abu al-Hassan, Ali ibn Muhammad (a.s.) to clarify a question. May Allah take my soul in your service, O my master, it is narrated to us that Allah is in one place and not in another place on Arsh, (the Throne) resting. He comes down to the sky above the earth every night during the last half of the night. It is narrated that He comes down at the ninth evening of the month of Dhul Hajj and then He returns back to His place. Certain individuals among your friends have said that if He would be found in certain places and not in other places the air must have come in contact with Him and would surround Him because air is a thin form of body that surrounds everything proportionate to its size. How then the air would surround Allah, the Most Holy and the Most High, According to this assumption?
The Imam replied in writing, “He has the knowledge of this. He is the best One in having the true measurements of all things.
You must, However, note that His being in the sky over the earth is just as He on the Throne. All things to Him are the same in the matters of His knowledge and power, domination and control.”
These are few Shia hadeeth. I'm certain you will reject them, so my following question to you is, Where is Allah as per your belief? Is he inside the creation or outside the creation? 
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