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Soccer

Verse 3:7.
« on: May 29, 2020, 08:49:00 PM »
3:7 means two things come from Quran, clear bright signs (in form of proofs, and doesn't mean one verse necessarily) and the other thing that comes from it, is ambiguity, and so those with betrayal in their hearts, they follow what which is ambiguous, seeking to interpret it.

And this means you build only on what is clear. To follow anything unclear from it as opposed to bright signs from it, will, make you immersed in a cloud of darkness from Iblis.

But to show the way forward, because God wants to heal all hearts, he reminds of the firmly rooted in knowledge which is the Leaders of guidance, the Ahlulbayt, just like the family of Abraham were a guidance in the past.

Just like Jesus (a) was a true authority on the Torah and Gospels was revealing the true way to see the main foundations, which was ironically the holy position of the Guides over scholars who were claiming to represent Moses and Prophets.

The guidance would be clear, God would be seen by all, and there would be no doubt, but the problem is Iblis. Iblis and his forces, they always cast regarding every revelation and every explanation, and every will or wish of a Prophet get's distorted due to it. Then God confirms his signs somehow or another, and then it's a trial, do we hold on the sorcery or believe in the light.

Those with hard hearts cling to what the sorcery of Iblis pertaining to the holy book or guidance of the Prophet (s), while the believers gain knowledge, and see Iblis as a result clearly. They know of the dark magic and move swiftly away from the dark visions of Iblis towards the light.

The family of Mohammad (s) cannot be separated from Quran. They are one.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2020, 08:53:35 PM by Soccer »
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GreatChineseFall

Re: Verse 3:7.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2020, 07:28:28 PM »
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SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

The beauty of this verse in my view shows an important psychological principle that those with deviation in their hearts would look at unspecific verses to follow something that is suitable to them. This means that what is disagreed upon between groups cannot be the foundation of the Book in the first place, because the foundation is guaranteed by Allah to be specific.

By the wisdom of this verse, you don't even need to know between two groups what they actually differ about to have a strong indication of which group is deviant. The group that claims the other group lacks belief in something foundational is already refuted by this verse, because Allah predicts the behavior of deviants to be, not able to deny what is specific and thus foundational but rather interpreting what is unspecific to suit their view.

This is one of the strengths of Ahl as Sunnah, because what is considered foundational by them is agreed upon by the others and there is no way to deny or reinterpret them, but what other groups claim to be foundational is not necessarily agreed upon by other groups. Rather, usually it is not agreed upon by any group except themselves.

Soccer

Re: Verse 3:7.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2020, 11:04:31 PM »
The beauty of this verse in my view shows an important psychological principle that those with deviation in their hearts would look at unspecific verses to follow something that is suitable to them. This means that what is disagreed upon between groups cannot be the foundation of the Book in the first place, because the foundation is guaranteed by Allah to be specific.

By the wisdom of this verse, you don't even need to know between two groups what they actually differ about to have a strong indication of which group is deviant. The group that claims the other group lacks belief in something foundational is already refuted by this verse, because Allah predicts the behavior of deviants to be, not able to deny what is specific and thus foundational but rather interpreting what is unspecific to suit their view.

This is one of the strengths of Ahl as Sunnah, because what is considered foundational by them is agreed upon by the others and there is no way to deny or reinterpret them, but what other groups claim to be foundational is not necessarily agreed upon by other groups. Rather, usually it is not agreed upon by any group except themselves.

What's funny is how you interpret in a way that is not supported by Quran or reason, but is conjecture based, that a verse disagreed on implies it is unclear.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

GreatChineseFall

Re: Verse 3:7.
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2020, 09:07:21 PM »
What's funny is how you interpret in a way that is not supported by Quran or reason, but is conjecture based, that a verse disagreed on implies it is unclear.

Of course what is disagreed upon can be clear, however the reason or cause for that disagreement is due to a disagreement about something that is unclear as that is the MO of those who have deviance in their hearts. They usually can't or don't dare to directly attack that which is clear as that makes their argument unconvincing. They look at what is unclear to create an interpretation that supports their deviance and try to argue from that position. This MO is exactly what is confirmed in this verse and is also explained in the Tafseer of Ibn Katheer:

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Allah states that in the Qur'an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone. And there are Ayat in the Qur'an that are Mutashabihat not entirely clear for many, or some people. So those who refer to the Muhkam Ayat to understand the Mutashabih Ayat, will have acquired the correct guidance, and vice versa. This is why Allah said,

﴿هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَـبِ﴾
(They are the foundations of the Book), meaning, they are the basis of the Qur'an, and should be referred to for clarification, when warranted,

﴿وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـبِهَـتٌ﴾
(And others not entirely clear) as they have several meanings, some that agree with the Muhkam and some that carry other literal indications, although these meaning might not be desired.

The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented.

Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar commented on,

﴿مِنْهُ آيَـتٌ مُّحْكَمَـتٌ﴾
(In it are verses that are entirely clear) as "Containing proof of the Lord, immunity for the servants and a refutation of opponents and of falsehood. They cannot be changed or altered from what they were meant for.'' He also said, "As for the unclear Ayat, they can (but must not) be altered and changed, and this is a test from Allah to the servants, just as He tested them with the allowed and prohibited things. So these Ayat must not be altered to imply a false meaning or be distorted from the truth.''

Therefore, Allah said,

﴿فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ﴾
(So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation) meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehood,

﴿فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـبَهَ مِنْهُ﴾
(they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof) meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said,

﴿ابْتِغَآءَ الْفِتْنَةِ﴾
(seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur'an -- the Mutashabih of it -- but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that ﴿`Isa is divine because﴾ the Qur'an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah's statements,

﴿إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ عَبْدٌ أَنْعَمْنَا عَلَيْهِ﴾
(He ﴿`Isa﴾ was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) ﴿43:59﴾, and,

﴿إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ ءَادَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ ﴾
(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!'' and he was.) ﴿3:59﴾.

There are other Ayat that clearly assert that `Isa is but one of Allah's creatures and that he is the servant and Messenger of Allah, among other Messengers.


The example of the false claim of divinity of 'Isa ultimately also means a false claim about something that is foundational and clear, namely:
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قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ   
SAY: "He is the One God:
This verse is clear and foundational, regardless of other verses that disprove the divinity of 'Isa, but the false claim is not directly expressed rather derived from another false claim and the reason why there is a false claim over this in the first place, is because a verse that is Mutashabih is being abused to argue for their deviance. And even in such instance, this verse is so clear and so foundational that even then, its truth can't be directly attacked and you rather get contradictory statements like the concept of trinity.

Soccer

Re: Verse 3:7.
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2020, 04:02:25 AM »
This is true. But there is no agreed upon anything in the Quran. Not one thing. And so your original post was misleading. For example, day of judgment, Bahais don't believe it like the way we do, but make it refer to a different concept all together that predicts their Prophet.

Not even Tawheed in any of it's features is agreed upon by all sects.

But this is not important, what you are not factoring in, is that sorcery can make what otherwise would be clear by language and context, to be unclear. This explicitly explained through out Quran and emphasized in Suratal Haaj. In fact, God says he makes his signs clear in that verse and is obviously reference back to 3:7, while it's obvious the primary reason people follow what is unclear is due to sorcery.



"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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