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Hani

Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« on: June 24, 2016, 04:02:21 AM »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Farid

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2016, 04:14:02 AM »
I find the quote by Abdul Hussain to be very interesting. I have no doubt in my mind that there is not a single Shia apologist alive today that would say that. This goes to show that their sect has evolved due to the onslaught of Sunni arguments, and it was only by adopting the Usooli methodology that they were able to have some sort of damage control.

Again, I am talking about Shia apologists and not all Shia scholars.

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 07:06:49 PM »
sorry for the off topic but those who have "preserved " the coran. (Hasim , Wafs etc...) how we know they was from ahlou lhadith?

I say that because I have heard Yassir Habib "they was shias".
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Hani

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 09:30:07 PM »
Check articles section on our site for answer. We have an article on chains of coran
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

al-kulayni

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2016, 01:20:15 PM »
sorry for the off topic but those who have "preserved " the coran. (Hasim , Wafs etc...) how we know they was from ahlou lhadith?

I say that because I have heard Yassir Habib "they was shias".

Look at this article : http://twelvershia.net/2013/12/04/quran-has-a-shia-chain-of-transmission/

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2016, 02:13:54 PM »
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 02:53:06 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2016, 02:51:57 PM »
Saha I am reading the article.


Sorry for my lack of knowledge but

" `Aami " Means sunni?

and why it's written

[He was Thiqah in Hadith, they differed about his Hadith from Zirr and abu Wa’il, and he was a `Uthmani.]

As you can see the man is a `Uthmani, and the scholars describe a man of being `Uthmani when he is a lover of `Uthman ibn `Affan (ra) and sometimes `Uthmanis hold grudges against `Ali ibn abi Talib (ra).



Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2016, 08:03:25 PM »
Haaaaa it's the shia scolars who said" Asim was an othmani"?

 if it's that it show that My lack of knowledge in English play with me  ;  =  )
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 03:01:25 PM »
Who is " Humran b. A`yun "?

Quoted here

Also, they do have sunni chains, seriously. I would suggest you open up al-Jazaris al-Nashr fee Qira’aat al-`Ashr and look up all the different Turuq for each of the different Qira’aat. Warsh alone has like 84 – not Shi’i at all, as far as I know. And it should be noted that these “Shi’a” in these chains and different Qiraa’aat cannot be proven to be Imami – as in believed in divine Imamah and `isma of those Imams etc etc. When classical Sunni literature just uses the word “Shi`ah” or “`Alawiy” by itself, it usually indicates what we’d call Zaydis or proto-Sunnis that were just politically Shi`ah or the like. Imami is shown more so when they use the word rafidhi or a “ghali” Shi`ah – someone with “extreme” Shi’ism. The only Rafidhi I know in the Qiraa’aat chains is Humran b. A`yun [ra], and they admit this and are okay with it cause transmitting Qur’an and transmitting hadith is different for them.
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Al-Kulayni and Tahreef
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 10:05:29 AM »
Humran b. A`yun Is in our chain or in their potential chain?
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

 

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