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Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef

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Hani

Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« on: January 14, 2015, 08:32:16 PM »
Salam `Aleykum,


You all know the famous Shia scholar and author of Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, al-Tabrasi who wrote the book on Tahreef called "Fasl-ul-Khitab", apparently some other Shia tried refuting him but then al-Tabrasi wrote another treatise and defended his position on Tahreef.


His book is popular and translated to Arabic but his treatise isn't, it's called:
جواب ايرادات ميرزاي شيرازي بر فصل الخطاب


If any of the PERSIAN SPEAKING brothers can get and translate some of the good parts ; ) that'd be swell.


Maybe it is here:
http://www.icnc.ir/index.aspx?pid=289&metadataID=edbdfda6-b3a9-4fe4-a9e9-e644fd827945
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ebn Hussein

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 03:20:14 AM »

جواب ايرادات ميرزاي شيرازي بر فصل الخطاب


Title of his book (where he refutes those Shias who don't believe in Tahrif and attacked his first book about Tahrif):

"An answer to the objections of Mirza Shirazi to [the book] of "Fasl al-Khitab"

Subhanallah!

The only Madhab in the world that has not just scholars who wrote in DEFENSE of Tahrif of Qur'an, but they even have one who wrote TWO books AND was rewarded by being buried in Najaf (he Tabrasi is being showered with mercy of Allah by the Rafidah while they curse the Sahaba!). I remember that sometime in the early ninetees some Egytpian heretic from Azhar wrote a book about Tahrif (forgot his name). Guess what Azhar and the Sunni world did. Shower him with mercy and calling him a great scholar and eventually burying next to some scholars grave? Nah, they made (rightfully) takfir on him i.e. did not exclude him from Sunnism only but from Islam altogether. Yet Rafidah excuse their scholars who believed in Tahrif (but they don't excuse a minority of Sahaba who had some POLITICAL issues with Ali, who is the lesser thaql acc. to them! I.e. the lesser thaql is in reality more important to them than the Qur'an i.e. the greater thaql).
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 03:42:39 AM »


If any of the PERSIAN SPEAKING brothers can get and translate some of the good parts ; ) that'd be swell.


Khayee, I've downloaded it and read it:

(note that this book is on various religious Shia website all affiliated to the Iranian government, like the majlis shura Islamic library: http://dlib.ical.ir/site/catalogue/515529 )

Also saw your post on DD-Sunnah:

http://www.dd-sunnah.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1816731&postcount=5

Quote
إثنان من أصحابي هم من الفرس السنة, إنشر الرسالة و سأنقلها لهم.

هههه حياك الله بس اخي الرسالة بخط النوري الطبرسي الزنديق الأكبر نفسه او واحد من تلامذه. المهم انا ماقدر اقراها صعبه جدا


الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Husayn

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 04:01:29 AM »
I got a friend to ask Sheikh al-Ansari (Sayyid Sistani's representative in Australia) about Tahrif once, and his response was (paraphrasing):

"No no, we Shi'a don't believe the Qur'an was changed. But... you can't know for sure ;)"

The "you can't know for sure" part with the wink is the instant I started doubting Shiism.

And this wasn't some random, this was the highest Shii authority in Australia, studying under the student of al-Khoei.

How can't you "know for sure"!?!

EDIT: Seems he's an Ayatollah now :)
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Taha

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 04:28:21 AM »
^ He actually winked?


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Husayn

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 04:33:04 AM »
Yes, according to my friend. And his response was obviously in Arabic, I can't remember the exact Iraqi used though, so I paraphrased into simple English.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

al-kulayni

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2016, 03:00:56 PM »
Bump for our brother Khorassani :)

Rationalist

Re: Tabrasi's defense of Tahreef
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2016, 03:25:53 PM »
Is there a list of 12er Shia scholars of the past who believed in Tahreef?

 

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