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sahabasword

Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« on: September 23, 2015, 12:10:51 AM »
Many people discuss the interpolation of the Quran with the Rafidha, before we do there is another point which we need to consider, according to shia books after the demise of the Prophet (saw) there were two groups of people, the first were the companions who according to the shia all became murtad except three or four, the second group of people were the Ahle Bait whose religion was 90 percent Taqiyya, someone who is murtad, the Quran can not be taken from them and similarly someone whose deen is Taqiyya, the Quran can not be taken from them, so the million dollar question is where did they get their Quran from????? If they have one!

This was a challenge to the great shia scholers of the Asian subcontinent posed by the great Shaikh Abdu Shakoor Laknawi (Ra) he offered tens of thousands of rupees for any shia to come forward and answer this but not a single one came forward.

Optimus Prime

Re: Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 01:06:40 AM »
Many people discuss the interpolation of the Quran with the Rafidha, before we do there is another point which we need to consider, according to shia books after the demise of the Prophet (saw) there were two groups of people, the first were the companions who according to the shia all became murtad except three or four, the second group of people were the Ahle Bait whose religion was 90 percent Taqiyya, someone who is murtad, the Quran can not be taken from them and similarly someone whose deen is Taqiyya, the Quran can not be taken from them, so the million dollar question is where did they get their Quran from????? If they have one!

This was a challenge to the great shia scholers of the Asian subcontinent posed by the great Shaikh Abdu Shakoor Laknawi (Ra) he offered tens of thousands of rupees for any shia to come forward and answer this but not a single one came forward.

Good question, akhi.

Shaikh Abdu Shakoor Laknwai (RA) - what he a scholar from Deoband.

Hadrami

Re: Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 03:35:17 AM »
in short, no true guidance comes from imam who often misguide (using taqiya).

Imam who mixed truth with falsehood (taqiya) is not a guide

Farid

Re: Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 06:10:00 AM »
Well said. This is indeed problematic. Al Khoei realized this, which is why he suggested that the Sahaba didn't collect the Qur'an, which is a very ignorant statement, in light of the consecutive reports and evidences.

Our latest article on twelvershia.net shares some of Al Khoei's views on this subject. Do check it out.

Bolani Muslim

Re: Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 07:49:22 AM »
Thus Amirul Momineen (a.s.) and his sons, Imam Hasan (a.s.) and Imam
Husain (a.s.), Ubayy bin Kaab, Abdullah bin Masud, Huzaifah Yamani, Jabir
bin Abdullah Ansari, Abu Saeed Khudri, Hissan bin Thabit and other
companions gathered in the company of the Prophet and he recited the Quran
from the beginning to the end. Jibraeel Amin explained the proper reading on
the points where there was difference and Amirul Momineen (a.s.) wrote it on
leather. Thus the whole of Quran is according to the reading of Amirul
Momineen, the successor of the Messenger of the Lord of the world.
I said: “Chief, I want to know why some verses are unconnected to the
preceding and succeeding verses?”
He replied: “You are right, it is so because when the Messenger of Allah
(s.a.w.s.) passed away and the seat of caliphate was occupied by others, Imam
Ali (a.s.) brought the Quran that he had compiled and said: This the Quran as
revealed by the Almighty Allah and the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) had
ordered me to get it for you so that it may exhaust the proof.”
They (Abu Bakr and Umar) said: “We are not in need of your Quran.”
Amirul Momineen (a.s.) said: “My beloved, the Prophet had informed
me about this reply of yours also, but I just wanted to exhaust the proof.”
Then he brought that Quran home. But he was saying again and again:
There is no god except You. You are truth. You are one without any partner.
No one can reject that which has passed your knowledge. None can stop that
which is the demand of Your wisdom. Thus when the day all would be
present before You, You should be a witness for me.
Then Muslims were ordered: All of you who have verses or chapters of
Quran should bring to the caliphs.
Abu Ubaidah bin Jarrah, Uthman, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Muawiyah bin
Abu Sufyan, Abdur Rahman bin Auf, Talha bin Abdullah. Abu Saeed Khudri,
Hissan bin Thabit and others came and compiled the Quran and they removed
the verses, which condemned the enemies of Ahle Bayt (a.s.) openly. That is
why you find those verses unconnected. And the Quran written by Imam Ali
(a.s.) is in the possession of Imam Zamana (a.s.). It contains the description
and explanation of every point. It even mentions the penalty of a bruise. There
is not doubt that the present Quran is the word of Allah and this has reached
us from Imam Zamana (a.s.).
https://goaloflife.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi-bihar-al-anwaar-voumes-51-53-the-promised-mahdi-as.pdf

This is what we were taught and what our moulana who studied in Qom taught me and the fellow Shia kids at the Shia-Temple. Keep in mind that the Sahaba who Shias believe compiled the Quran are the WORST of people according to the Shia.

sahabasword

Re: Shia CAN'T believe in Quran.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 11:33:15 PM »
Many people discuss the interpolation of the Quran with the Rafidha, before we do there is another point which we need to consider, according to shia books after the demise of the Prophet (saw) there were two groups of people, the first were the companions who according to the shia all became murtad except three or four, the second group of people were the Ahle Bait whose religion was 90 percent Taqiyya, someone who is murtad, the Quran can not be taken from them and similarly someone whose deen is Taqiyya, the Quran can not be taken from them, so the million dollar question is where did they get their Quran from????? If they have one!

This was a challenge to the great shia scholers of the Asian subcontinent posed by the great Shaikh Abdu Shakoor Laknawi (Ra) he offered tens of thousands of rupees for any shia to come forward and answer this but not a single one came forward.

Good question, akhi.

Shaikh Abdu Shakoor Laknwai (RA) - what he a scholar from Deoband.

Yes he was a scholer of Deoband, he has a grandson called Shaikh Abdul Alim Farooqi, they are from the linage of Umar (Ra) he visits England once a year for the conference on Sahaba in Birmingham.

 

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