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Was Ali (a) with all Prophets (a) secretly and with Mohammad (s) openly?

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Soccer

There are hadiths of Ahlulbayt (a) teaching Angels (a), Mohammad (s) teaches this, and says Angels were introduced to God through Ahlulbayt (a) when Ahlulbayt (a) were lights.

The Quran is clear though, because Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knew we would go to extreme and say Ahlulbayt (a) of Mohammad (s) were with every Prophet explicitly says Mohammad (s) was not with Musa (a) or Jesus (a) or Zakariya (a), there is explicit verses.

As for the hadiths that Mohammad is a witness to all witnesses, they all say the witnesses and nation refer to the generations following Mohammad (s) but even that is a translation, it can be "these" refer to the generation of Mohammad (s) time who is a witness of, while there is for every age a  witness for every people.

That said, Torah and Gospels, if you read, show the exalted ones that Adam was forbidden to approach in competition was Ahlulbayt (a), and they were the word of God before, and that is really what the line of Jonh's Gospel means, and the gospels are over all (not totally) from God and paraphrased differently with every disciple from Jesus from God.

The Ahlulbayt (a) are who took rest on the 7th day per the Torah, as God doesn't take rest, the proper translation there should be the exalted ones.

The hadiths of Ahlulbayt (a) Methaq over humanity and Prophets (a) in Alamal Daar and when God throne on the (metaphorical) water, are true, and verified in Quran. However, I'm sorry, even as much I love the concept of Ali (a) being with every Prophet naturally as a Shiite, the Quran shows, this is not true.

The past Ahlulbayts (a) would be with the current one, till Mohammad's (a) family came to be among the families God permitted to be risen and his name remembered therein.

In fact, Quran shows Mohammad (s) and Ahlulbayt (a) even after communicating to Angels instructions, when Adam (a) was created, Authority vested in Adam (a) and they done their job, - were not aware of the dispute of the high council (of Angels) when Iblis refused to prostrate to Adam. There was a rift, but Mohammad (s) wasn't aware of it.

The Quran explicitly says Mohammad (s) was not with Moses (s) when he revealed the Torah or talked to him. The names of God and glory in the stick of Musa and Musa's own reality, is high, and contains reality from Mohammad (s) when the covenant was taken, but during these points, Quran is clear, Mohammad (s) was not with them.

Nor was he witnessing what happened when the scholars of Jews were disputing who should be entrusted Mariam (a).

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) kept Ahlulbayt (a) from ruling after he began with them, and when they came back to rule just Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) began with them, they augmented Angels and the sky reality and Prophets and all believers of their time and before, to a much higher level. 

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) began with them as lights for Angels (a) and then sealed with them as humans. This is what Quran shows, they were not there with every Ahlulbayt (a) of the past, guiding them.

However, Adam (a) was shown them as a trial and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) don't approach this tree but you can try to gain the light of every other tree in paradise (every other creation of God or every other Ahlulbayt (a)).

This is because Mohammad (s) and Ali (a) and Fatima (a) and their chosen offspring (a) are beyond approach and God knew this would be harmful. But Iblis tricked him, and said what kind of God forbids you from being the best, your supposed voice you hear is not God, the true God would not forbid you from this tree, the God you believe if true would being do it to keep you from their rank.

He swore by God and made himself as a sincere well-wisher, but deceived and confused them, "an authority that doesn't go away" - is the station of Ahlulbayt (a).

When he sinned, he called God by their truth and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) accept his repentance and he turned back to God and was sorry for disobeying and even wanting to reach Ahlulbayt (a) station and place of authority.

But during the conflict of Angels (a), Mohammad (s) was unaware, he had no knowledge, and was not with Musa (a) when he took the covenant with him and revealed revelation.

God said these words, because, it's a fair though to think Ahlulbayt (a) are the best, past Prophets help future Prophets, that means Mohammad (s) was with them all, but it's not true per Quran.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Mythbuster1

What a load of codswallop……..please can someone strain this deadhead honestly he is full of it……..he is filling the chat up with nonsense that doesn’t make sense.

Soccer

What a load of codswallop……..please can someone strain this deadhead honestly he is full of it……..he is filling the chat up with nonsense that doesn’t make sense.

You alright bro?
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Mythbuster1

You alright bro?

 Alhamdulillah……….but looks like all the bull bout loving ahlubaith more than prophets as  has messed your head up and nothing but nonsense is spewing from your posts.

Please DONT reply back as I end my conversation with a deadhead here.

Ali ra: “The moment you start arguing with a fool, you’ve already lost.”

Soccer

Alhamdulillah……….
Alhamdulilah.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Ali ra: “The moment you start arguing with a fool, you’ve already lost.”

Is this your justification for your change of stance to silence (the members of this forum)?

Seems like you guys were defeated and trying to save face, because you have no response.

The Quran and Mohammad (s) responded to "fools" and their foolish propaganda, should have figured, you guys would take a hadith out of context to save face.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2021, 06:56:42 PM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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