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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: The only narration about Saqifa in al-Kafi
« Last post by fgss on Today at 08:39:38 AM »
And here is what Ali bin Ibrahim al-Qummi had said about Samiri.

[ 27826 ] وعن علي بن إبراهيم ، ( عن أبيه ) رفعه قال : أوحى
الله إلى موسى أن لا تقتل السامري فإنه سخي .
 ورواه الصدوق مرسلا.

He (the Imam) has said, ‘Allah the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, sent revelation to Moses and told him not to kill the Samiriy because he was a generous person. (Marfu hadith)

الكافي 4 : 41 | 13 ، وأورده عن الفقيه في الحديث 6 من الباب 2 من أبواب ما تجب فيه الزكاة.

(From Wasail al-Shia vol-21)
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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: The only narration about Saqifa in al-Kafi
« Last post by fgss on Today at 08:30:41 AM »
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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: The only narration about Saqifa in al-Kafi
« Last post by fgss on Today at 08:19:42 AM »
Perhaps this one.

حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ الْكِنْدِيِّ عَنْ
 غَيْرِ وَاحِدٍ مِنْ أَصْحَابِهِ عَنْ أَبَانِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ الْأَحْوَلِ وَ الْفُضَيْلِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ عَنْ زَكَرِيَّا النَّقَّاضِ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ (عليه السلام) قَالَ سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ النَّاسُ صَارُوا بَعْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ (صلى الله عليه وآله) بِمَنْزِلَةِ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ هَارُونَ (عليه السلام) وَ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ الْعِجْلَ وَ إِنَّ أَبَا بَكْرٍ دَعَا فَأَبَى عَلِيٌّ (عليه السلام) إِلَّا الْقُرْآنَ وَ إِنَّ عُمَرَ دَعَا فَأَبَى عَلِيٌّ (عليه السلام) إِلَّا الْقُرْآنَ وَ إِنَّ عُثْمَانَ دَعَا فَأَبَى عَلِيٌّ (عليه السلام) إِلَّا الْقُرْآنَ وَ إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ مِنْ أَحَدٍ يَدْعُو إِلَى أَنْ يَخْرُجَ الدَّجَّالُ إِلَّا سَيَجِدُ مَنْ يُبَايِعُهُ وَ مَنْ رَفَعَ رَايَةَ ضَلَالَةٍ فَصَاحِبُهَا طَاغُوتٌ.

Humeyd Bin Ziyad, from Al-Hassan Bin Muhammad Al-Kindy, from someone else, from his companions, from Abaan Bin Usmaan, from Abu Ja’far Al-Ahowl, and Al-Fazeyl Bin Yasaar, from Zakariyya Al-Naqqaaz, who has narrated the following: I heard Abu Ja’far (a.s.) saying: ‘After the Rasool Allah (saww), the people became of the status of the one who followed Haroun (as) and the one who followed the calf. And Abu Bakr called, so Ali (a.s.) refused except for the Quran. And Umar called, so Ali (a.s.) refused except for the Quran. And Usman called, so Ali (a.s.) refused except for the Quran. And there is no one who will call, up to the coming out of Al-Dajjaal (la), except that he will find the one who pledges his allegiance to him. And the one who raises a banner of misguidance, so its owner is a tyrant’.

Source:
al-Kafi, vol-8, hadith #456

Grading:
1. Allama Majlisi said Majhul, in Mir'at al Uqul (6/346)
2. Baqir Behbudi said sahih, in Sahih al-Kafi (3/402)
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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: The only narration about Saqifa in al-Kafi
« Last post by Rationalist on Today at 04:31:45 AM »
Don't they also have a narration comparing the party of Saqifa to the cow worshipping of Bani Israel?
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General Discussion / [Poetry] Are there any similar reports in sunni books?
« Last post by fgss on Yesterday at 03:59:39 PM »
وَ بِالْإِسْنَادِ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ لَا يُنْشَدُ الشِّعْرُ بِلَيْلٍ وَ لَا يُنْشَدُ فِي شَهْرِ رَمَضَانَ بِلَيْلٍ وَ لَا نَهَارٍ فَقَالَ لَهُ إِسْمَاعِيلُ يَا أَبَتَاهْ فَإِنَّهُ فِينَا قَالَ وَ إِنْ كَانَ فِينَا

And in the isnaad from Hammaad bin 'Uthmaan from Abee 'Abd Allaah (عليه السلام): says "Do not sing/recite poetry in the night and do not sing/recite (poetry) in the month of Ramadaan in the night and the day. So Ismaa`eel (bin Ja`far) said to him (عليه السلام): Oh Father, even if it is about us (meaning Ahl Al-Bayt)? He (عليه السلام) said: Even if it is about us.”

Source:
1.Al-‘Aamilee, Wasaa’il Al-Shee’ah, vol. 10, pg. 169, hadeeth #13137
2.Al-Toosee, Al-Tahdheeb, vol. 4, pg. 195, hadeeth #4


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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / The only narration about Saqifa in al-Kafi
« Last post by fgss on Yesterday at 03:41:15 PM »
مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ النُّعْمَانِ عَنِ ابْنِ مُسْكَانَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ ( عليه السلام ) فِي قَوْلِهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ ظَهَرَ الْفَسادُ فِي الْبَرِّ وَ الْبَحْرِ بِما كَسَبَتْ أَيْدِي النَّاسِ قَالَ ذَاكَ وَ اللَّهِ حِينَ قَالَتِ الْأَنْصَارُ مِنَّا أَمِيرٌ وَ مِنْكُمْ أَمِيرٌ .

Muhammad Bin Yahya, from Muhammad Bin Al-Husyan, fom Ali Bin Al-No’man, from Ibn Muskaan, from Muhammad Bin Muslim who has said: Abu Ja’far (a.s.) regarding the Statement of the Mighty and Majestic: “[30:41] Corruption has appeared in the land and the sea on account of what the hands of men have wrought”, he (a.s.) said: ‘By Allah (azwj), that was when the ‘Al-Ansar’ (Helpers) said, ‘from us should be an Emir (commander), and from you should be an Emir’ (referring to Saqifa).

Al-Kafi, vol-8, Hadith #19

Declared Sahih by al-Majlisi in Mirat (5/129).
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Rafidi stated:
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Answer:

Its extremely weak. Imam Thahabi has even recorded it in his book of weak narrations from Mustadrak. to explain further:

The chain of narrator Abu Al Jahhaaf is extremely weak.

Ibn Adi and Al Uqayli have mentioned: He is an extreme Shia, weak and his narrations cant be used to prove anything. Al Azadi has said hes deviated and weak. [Tuhfatul Ahwathi]

Albani says rejected [Daeef At Tirmidhi]

Imam Thahabi says the chain of narrators is full of liars [Tarikh ul Islam]

You see how Imam Haakims narration is used to push other beliefs?

These liars will look for anything to prove their cult, no matter how questionable it is.

By brother @TheAynGhayn
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Ex-Shias / Ex Shia Sayyid Al Musawi: I read the Qur'an, it destroyed Shi'ism
« Last post by MuslimK on July 11, 2020, 11:50:24 PM »

Former Shia Sayyed Zuhair al-Musawi from Iraq shares his fascinating story as to how he left Twelver Shiism and eventually found Ahlul Bayt by becoming Sunni. 



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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: A question about Muawiya
« Last post by Soccer on July 11, 2020, 04:54:51 PM »
Those who curse are blessed per Quran, there has never been wrong cursing nor will there be by those who curse.  The ones who curse, curse the right people per Quran. That is why it said "and cursed by those who curse". Those who curse is a title to be on the straight path like mutaqeen, muslim, momin. To be a curser is to have mental clarity.

Those who curse of course, doesn't include those who curse Ali (a), but refers to those who curse all those who should be cursed.  Therefore, as you see, cursing those who deserve it and not turning a blind eye to them, is of course, blessed in Quran.
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Sahabah-AhlulBayt / Re: A question about Muawiya
« Last post by Bolani Muslim on July 11, 2020, 02:05:20 AM »
But Imam Ali (a.s) thought otherwise. He (a.s) wanted to remove Muawiya from the governorship of Syria. A person of Taqwa not only cares about his people's worldly life but also about their hereafter life.
Imam Ali desired Islamic unity and the prosperity of the Muslims as a whole. When Imam Ali became caliph, he replaced most governors with clansmen and supporters. No matter who, any governmental leader would fight to maintain national integrity.

Who according to Ahlus Sunnah are Uthmanites? Are they considered Muslims or Nasibis?
There is some info about them here.
https://shiismandislamichistory.wordpress.com/2020/07/03/the-original-shiites-the-wilayatites-and-the-wisayatites-part-1/

Even if that is not how people work, there are consequences of this in this world and hereafter. A person of Taqwa would prefer his religion Islam over everything.
You are intermixing theology, spirituality, and identity. I am discussing reality. I am informing you that idol-worshiping Muslims in India were a reality; that does mean I consider idol-worship licit.

The dislike of Ali by those Nasibis is the same as the loathing for Abu Bakr and Umar by modern Rafidis. The disrelish is due to culture, identity, and rumors.

This requires a lengthy discussion and will take this thread off-topic. In near future, I will talk about this topic.
In order to discuss, it is imperative that we are on the 'same page.' From your reply, it seems as though you misunderstood my intention. Your question stems from misunderstanding the Sunni view of the Companions. If you have time, I would recommend watching "The Sunni View of the Sahaba" by Yasir Qadhi.

The sahaba, as a whole, are respected because cursing and overly criticizing them is unbeneficial and, possibly, spiritually detrimental. Farid has some good videos about this on the Sunni Defense Youtube channel. This does not mean that we ought to exaggerate Muawiya's status nor curse him. Imam Nisai's reaction was moderate and Sunni. Did you read that link?

I don't want to derail the topic, but you mentioned that cursing a Muslim is an act of wicked hypocrisy. Rafidis curse Umar b. Khattab, the Muslim son-in-law of Bibi Fatima Zahra (as). Do you count this as hypocrisy?
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