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Famous shia reply on Door Incident

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Hani

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2019, 06:22:23 AM »
According to the fabricated Shia story `Ali broke the Prophet's (saw) will and got Fatimah (as) killed as a result.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2019, 01:34:37 PM »
According to the fabricated Shia story `Ali broke the Prophet's (saw) will and got Fatimah (as) killed as a result.

And according to a TRUE story one prevented the Prophet s.a.w from writing a will to begin with by saying,

"Don't listen to him, he s.a.w has become delirious, remember we have the book of Allah, the book of Allah is sufficient for us".

And others sided with him causing a division within them. Any thoughts on this big guy.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2019, 01:38:34 PM by iceman »

Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2019, 02:33:37 PM »
And according to a TRUE story one prevented the Prophet s.a.w from writing a will to begin with by saying,

"Don't listen to him, he s.a.w has become delirious, remember we have the book of Allah, the book of Allah is sufficient for us".

And others sided with him causing a division within them. Any thoughts on this big guy.

Lol was that the same jinn who magically went through the door that told you that Umar ra said “ DONT LISTEN TO HIM”!

You must talk to jinns😜




iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2019, 02:49:19 PM »
Lol was that the same jinn who magically went through the door that told you that Umar ra said “ DONT LISTEN TO HIM”!

You must talk to jinns😜

First of all thanks for commenting on it. Hani just flies in, takes a cheap and low shot then swiftly runs off to avoid getting hit. And then is no where to be seen until the bat decides to take another flight.

And you, so what exactly did Umar say? 😊


Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2019, 03:34:58 PM »
Bro Hani comes in and gives you doses of truths and facts and gives you points to think about, he isn’t a joker like you.

Well I do know for a fact also that Umar ra didn’t say the words “don’t listen to him”, unless you can authenticate it not by jinns  or ibids but with authentic written evidence.

You make claims but your air comes out when confronted with providing evidences for such baseless claims.

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2019, 02:17:53 AM »
Bro Hani comes in and gives you doses of truths and facts and gives you points to think about, he isn’t a joker like you.

Well I do know for a fact also that Umar ra didn’t say the words “don’t listen to him”, unless you can authenticate it not by jinns  or ibids but with authentic written evidence.

You make claims but your air comes out when confronted with providing evidences for such baseless claims.

Nope. He comes in like a bat with cheap shots and then flies back out again to save his skin.

Umar very clearly objected to what the Prophet s.a.w asked for and disregarded what the Prophet s.a.w had to write. That's the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make him look good as possible. 😊

muslim720

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2019, 03:10:27 PM »
Umar very clearly objected to what the Prophet s.a.w asked for and disregarded what the Prophet s.a.w had to write. That's the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make him look good as possible. 😊

Well, Umar (ra) somehow also subdued Imam Ali (ra), in the whole process, because even Imam Ali (ra) failed to deliver what the Prophet (saw) asked for.  That, too, is the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make Imam Ali (ra) an infallible, all-powerful being but he failed as a leader (according to your own judgment).
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2019, 03:32:08 PM »
Nope. He comes in like a bat with cheap shots and then flies back out again to save his skin.

Umar very clearly objected to what the Prophet s.a.w asked for and disregarded what the Prophet s.a.w had to write. That's the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make him look good as possible. 😊

The BAT is YOU making up a LIE and attributing it to a pious noble companion and a relative of prophet sallallahu alaihewasalam and then flying away without any evidence.
The bottom line is YOU LIED and you haven’t an atom of shame about that LIE! You can’t even produce any evidence on your behalf.

Your hate is making YOU look bad and embarrassing to shiism itself, believing in magical jinn whips and blatant lies, you put Harry Potter to shame.


Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2019, 03:50:28 PM »
Well, Umar (ra) somehow also subdued Imam Ali (ra), in the whole process, because even Imam Ali (ra) failed to deliver what the Prophet (saw) asked for.  That, too, is the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make Imam Ali (ra) an infallible, all-powerful being but he failed as a leader (according to your own judgment).

TWICE the great khalifa Umar ra subdued Imam Ali ra, a mere fallible human being.....TWICE!
Once at home and then on the Black Thursday .......SO MUCH FOR DIVINE IMAMS then.

He won’t get it he has been fed lies and thinks we are gonna believe his tripe what he spews.

muslim720

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2019, 03:53:10 PM »
TWICE the great khalifa Umar ra subdued Imam Ali ra, a mere fallible human being.....TWICE!

More times than that!  Umar (ra) also took the "Divine Imam's" (ra) daughter in marriage; the one who has control over the atoms could do nothing.  Just watched the alleged killer of his wife (ra) marry his daughter (ra).
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2019, 04:09:07 PM »
More times than that!  Umar (ra) also took the "Divine Imam's" (ra) daughter in marriage; the one who has control over the atoms could do nothing.  Just watched the alleged killer of his wife (ra) marry his daughter (ra).

Oh yea I forgot about that, a super human couldn’t save his wife, his daughter or stand up for his father in law and yet he ra can move atoms and knows when he himself ra is gonna die and knows the future.......what kind of a being is iceman portraying him ra as?

Unbelievable!

Shia not Rafidi

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2019, 05:37:22 PM »
Would anyone like to answer what is being asked mainly..?
what does the Hadith mean and is there an explanation to what Prophet PBUH told Ali RA to be patient about??
#__Shia of Ali__#
#__Sunni of Prophet Muhammad__#

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2019, 10:26:40 PM »
Would anyone like to answer what is being asked mainly..?
what does the Hadith mean and is there an explanation to what Prophet PBUH told Ali RA to be patient about??

It was answered in my initial post. Its unreliable. So what explanation you need for an unreliable report?

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2019, 12:58:46 AM »
Oh yea I forgot about that, a super human couldn’t save his wife, his daughter or stand up for his father in law and yet he ra can move atoms and knows when he himself ra is gonna die and knows the future.......what kind of a being is iceman portraying him ra as?

Unbelievable!

We don't believe that Umar married a great granddaughter, just as we don't believe the Prophet s.a.w married under age girls. You believe in such nonsense. We don't. Your books are full of this.

Oh, forget about super human, there is Almighty Allah. According to your theory the Almighty Allah couldn't save mankind from Satan. Think again.

Iceman thinks before speaking, you don't.

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2019, 01:07:22 AM »
Well, Umar (ra) somehow also subdued Imam Ali (ra), in the whole process, because even Imam Ali (ra) failed to deliver what the Prophet (saw) asked for.  That, too, is the bottom line and you can continue to do your very best to make Imam Ali (ra) an infallible, all-powerful being but he failed as a leader (according to your own judgment).

It doesn't matter what ever excuse you come up with or which ever way you turn it, but you can't turn back the clock. What Umar said, did and how he responded is what he is and will be judged by. The matter is clear and you can carry on looking for excuses. I completely understand that Umar desperately needs to be protected here.

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2019, 01:42:29 AM »
Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Prophet, but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbelievers"

Surah Anfal verse 20: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)."

The Holy Prophet (s) requests that writing materials be brought to him
This is what we read in Sahih al-Bukhari as narrated by Ibn 'Abbas:

When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said:

"Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray."

As above the Prophet s.a.w spoke. What does Allah say again when the Prophet s.a.w speaks,

Surah Anfal verse 20: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)."

And what did Umar say, how did Umar react?

'Umar said: "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us."

What happened afterwards?

The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray,"

while the others said what 'Umar said.

Why did these others differ? You seriously think they were concerned about the Prophet's s.a.w health. What a silly excuse to cover their intentions and justify their actions.

When they made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them,

"Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their quarrel and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing a statement for them.

Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573

How long are some Sunnis going to play hide and seek here.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 01:51:41 AM by iceman »

iceman

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2019, 01:53:24 AM »
The Prophet (s) wanted to compose a will

We learn from the traditions that towards the end of his noble life, the Prophet's (s) condition was deteriorating. The majority opinion holds that the Prophet (s) left no will before his death, and made no attempt to do so. However, according to the Qur'an it is absolutely obligatory on all Muslims to leave a will. Allah (swt) says in his Glorious Book:

"It is prescribed for you when death approaches one of you, if he leaves behind any goods that he makes a bequest for Parents and (the nearest kinsmen) in goodness, this is a duty upon the pious" (The Qur'an 2:180)).

We may thus ask the question: Would the Prophet of Allah (s) of all Muslims - the one whose Sunnah we are obliged to follow - disregard an order stipulated in the Holy Qur'an?

And all we'll get in response is sarcastic comments and insulting remarks. Followed by, well Ali this and Ali that. They call themselves the AHLE SUNNAH. And it is the Prophet s.a.w who is being objected here. They call themselves the AHLE SUNNAH but can't protect the Messenger or his Sunnah.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 02:08:01 AM by iceman »

Hadrami

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2019, 04:26:56 AM »
The Prophet (s) wanted to compose a will

We learn from the traditions that towards the end of his noble life, the Prophet's (s) condition was deteriorating. The majority opinion holds that the Prophet (s) left no will before his death, and made no attempt to do so. However, according to the Qur'an it is absolutely obligatory on all Muslims to leave a will. Allah (swt) says in his Glorious Book:

"It is prescribed for you when death approaches one of you, if he leaves behind any goods that he makes a bequest for Parents and (the nearest kinsmen) in goodness, this is a duty upon the pious" (The Qur'an 2:180)).
Why would Prophet pbuh need to leave any bequest? The bequeath for his family & nearest kinsmen were available and benefited them long after he passed away. Not just Ali ra family, but also Abbas family etc.

If the will was not about wealth, but divine leadership, do you think after 23yrs of struggle with wealth, sweat and blood, Prophet pbuh would just gave up and let Umar ra had his way? Can shia go any lower in doubting Prophet pbuh ability to make sure the will was written down? Did you think Umar ra was standing next to him for several days to make sure the will wouldnt be written down? Or where was Ali ra for not making sure the will would be writen down? Yes, i mention Ali, because people with intelect will ask the same question.

Ameen, your shia "history" has more holes than a sinking boat.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 04:29:26 AM by Hadrami »

Hani

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2019, 06:03:59 AM »
And according to a TRUE story one prevented the Prophet s.a.w from writing a will to begin with by saying,

"Don't listen to him, he s.a.w has become delirious, remember we have the book of Allah, the book of Allah is sufficient for us".

And others sided with him causing a division within them. Any thoughts on this big guy.

I'd like to see what you quoted above in an actual source, cause I assure you, such a text does not exist with any chain.

Do you believe in Kitab Sulaym bin Qays? In that book the Prophet (saw) told `Ali "If you don't find forty supporters, give Bay`ah and don't resist."

Do you believe in what's quoted in your books above? Yes or No?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Mythbuster1

Re: Famous shia reply on Door Incident
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2019, 12:18:46 PM »
I'd like to see what you quoted above in an actual source, cause I assure you, such a text does not exist with any chain.

Bro hani i’ve asked this LIAR to produce any reliable sources for this and all he is doing is making remarks and comments diverting away from what he posted.

ICEMAN AKA AMEEN IS ALL HOT GAS AND NO SUBSTANCE!

He comes in with fake evidences and blatant LIES he has NOTHING else.

Watch how he responds to this post like a troll and start to accuse instead of answering the question at hand.


 

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