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Grave of Al-Zahra

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Farid

Grave of Al-Zahra
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:42:45 AM »
Alsalam alaykum,

So I stumbled upon Al-Saduq's view that it is in her home, yet, Shias usually argue that nobody knows where she was born. Can someone explain this?

Rationalist

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 02:20:03 AM »
The 12er Shia say she was angry with Abi Bakr, and therefore secretly Ali dug a tunnel  near the grave of the Prophet (pbuh) and secretly buried her. However, only the Khassa got to know the truth, and the Amma till this day are not aware of the truth.

Hani

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 03:29:43 AM »
There's an authentic narration in their books stating she's buried in her house. There's a narration in our books that implies otherwise.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 08:56:07 AM »
There's an authentic narration in their books stating she's buried in her house. There's a narration in our books that implies otherwise.

Could you please quote that narration.

Hani

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 12:43:12 AM »
From here:
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?323089-why-did-Fatimah-(as)-wanted-her-burial-to-be-a-secret

If you bothered to pick up YOUR books such as al-Tusi's Tahtheeb you'd know that Fatima (ra) according to the Sahih of your Imams was buried in her own house, and when banu Umayyah expanded the Masjid she became inside it.

ما رواه الشيخ الطوسي في التهذيب بِإِسْنَادِهِ الصحيح عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي نَصْرٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا الْحَسَنِ عليه السلام عَنْ قَبْرِ فَاطِمَةَ عليها السلام فَقَالَ دُفِنَتْ فِي بَيْتِهَا فَلَمَّا زَادَتْ بَنُو أُمَيَّةَ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ صَارَتْ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ

As for our books that YOU never picked up, we read in al-Tabaqat of ibn Sa'ad from the narration of Muhammad bin 'Umar, from 'Umar bin Muhammad bin 'Umar bin 'Ali from his father from 'Ali bin al-Hussein from ibn 'Abbas (ra) that Asmaa bint 'Amees (ra) was the one who took care of Fatima (ra) and covered her, and she was the wife of Abu Bakr (ra) and she washed him when he died as well.

أخبرنا محمد بن عمر، أخبرنا عمر بن محمد بن عمر بن علي عن أبيه عن علي بن حسين عن ابن عباس قال: فاطمة أول من جعل لها النعش، عملته لها أسماء بنت عميس، وكانت قد رأته يصنع بأرض الحبشة.

As for where she is buried, in our books from the narrations of Muhammad bin 'Umar from 'Abdul-Rahman bin abi al-Mawali, also Muhammad bin 'Umar from 'Abdullah bin Ja'far from 'Abdullah bin al-Hassan that she was buried in the corner of 'Aqeel's house in al-Baqi'i and between her grave and the main road was the distance of seven arms.

أخبرنا محمد بن عمر، قال: سألت عبد الرحمن بن أبي الموالي قال: قلت: إن الناس يقولون إن قبر فاطمة عند المسجد الذي يصلون إليه على جنائزهم بالبقيع، فقال: والله ما ذاك إلا مسجد رقية، .. وما دفنت فاطمة إلا في زاوية دار عقيل ... بالبقيع، وبين قبرها وبين الطريق سبعة أذرع.

أخبرنا محمد بن عمر، أخبرنا عبد الله بن جعفر، حدثني عبد الله بن حسن قال: وجدت المغيرة بن عبد الرحمن بن الحارث بن هشام واقفا ينتظرني بالبقيع نصف النهار في حر شديد، فقلت: ما يوقفك يا أبا هاشم هاهنا؟ قال: انتظرتك، بلغني أن فاطمة دفنت في هذا البيت في دار عقيل مما يلي دار الجحشيين فأحب أن تبتاعه لي بما بلغ، أدفن فيها. فقال عبد الله: والله لأفعلن. فجهد بالعقيليين فأبوا. قال عبد الله بن جعفر: وما رأيت أحد يشك أن قبرها في ذلك الموضع.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Abu Muhammad

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 04:50:54 AM »
Seems like the topic worth a brief and short article by itself.

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Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 01:05:09 PM »
^ Agree.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Grave of Al-Zahra
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 02:35:15 PM »
She was buried in secret. That doesn't mean the place of her birth is unknown.

We can look to the hadiths for answers.

This Shi'i website analyses this topic:

https://research.rafed.net/فاطمة-الزهراء-عليها-السلام/2963-أين-قبر-فاطمة-عليها-السلام-؟
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