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Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"

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Optimus Prime

Asalamualaikum.

Can someone comment on the narration below:

"One day Ali attacked Amr ibn Aas, he threw a spear and Amr fell to the ground, and he then exposed his buttocks. 'Ali then turned his face away [people said] this was Amr ibn Aas. 'Ali replied he showed me his anus and this made me merciful to him. When Amr ibn Aas returned, Muawiyah said "You should praise Allah and your anus".

Hani

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 11:33:22 PM »
We don't comment on narrations that start with "One day".
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 11:39:41 PM »
We don't comment on narrations that start with "One day".

I forgot to mention the source.

Source: Al Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 7 page 293

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 11:39:58 PM »
Hani, are you implying it's weak or a fabrication?

Husayn

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 11:52:12 PM »
Hani, are you implying it's weak or a fabrication?

Considering that it's used by a Shia polemical website, he's implying that it resembles something that comes out of an anus.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2015, 11:56:57 PM »
Hani, are you implying it's weak or a fabrication?

Considering that it's used by a Shia polemical website, he's implying that it resembles something that comes out of an anus.

In other words, yes it is a weak or fabrication.

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 11:57:36 PM »
Taken from the source:

Islam has a code of ethics for all scenarios, including behaviour during Jihad, we are yet to find any code wherein Rasulullah (s) authorised the Sahaba to expose their buttocks as a means of sickening the opposition! In Karachi a Nasibi scholar said to his blind followers 'Had Mu'awiya not entered on the plains of Sifeen the entire continent of Europe would have been conquered'. We agree with this conclusion but it would have been achieved through the battle tactics of Amr ibn Aas, since not even the greatest military tactitioner would not have accounted for this 'shock and awe' tactic! Our appeal to our Rafidi brethren is to control the illiterates in our community from throwing mud at Amr ibn Aas for this immoral act: after all had Amr not survived that day, who would have been enlightened enough to place the Qur'an on spears? Who would have dishonestly made Mu'awiya the khalifa during the negotiations? The Salafi are no doubt ever indebted to Amr bin Aas, for all future events such the rise to power of their fifth Khalifa Mu'awiya as Khalifa was all through the Sadaqa of the anus of Amr ibn Aas.

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Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 07:15:56 PM »
Brother, IMAM ALI, please do not post this BULL on here, it doesn't take imam bukhari to comment on this garbage on a narration.
Shukran
Syed Asad Ali

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 07:51:49 PM »
Brother, IMAM ALI, please do not post this BULL on here, it doesn't take imam bukhari to comment on this garbage on a narration.

Why not? The purpose of posting it here is to discuss it's authenticty, so other Shias/Sunnis who join this site in the future who may ask similar questions can be directed to this thread.

Furkan

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 10:07:13 PM »
I'm still waiting for a clear response ...
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2015, 10:17:18 PM »
I'm still waiting for a clear response ...

Give it time, akhi.

Insh'Allah.

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Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2015, 11:02:17 PM »
If any Sunni even feels the urge to discuss something like this, then we should all check our imaan...
Shukran
Syed Asad Ali

Furkan

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2015, 11:06:53 PM »
It is true, that we shouldn't bother with problems between sahaba, but heretic shiites won't stop spreading such texts. So we have to counter them.

It's not like we see the sahaba as people who are immoral etc.

Love the conservative attitude though, :)
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 12:13:12 AM »
If any Sunni even feels the urge to discuss something like this, then we should all check our imaan...

We always have a leap of faith in giving them the benefit of the doubt to anything amibiguous the companions (RA) did.

Clarifying the meaning and authenticity of this narration bodes for future audiences.

Farid

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2015, 11:52:21 PM »
No source by Ibn Katheer.

Optimus Prime

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2015, 12:27:07 AM »
No source by Ibn Katheer.

I'm glad you looked into this Ya' Syed. Took you long enough. :P

Where is it from then?

Bolani Muslim


Farid

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2015, 02:00:43 PM »
He question of: "Where is it from?" is not our homework. Shias should provide this.

Arabismo

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2015, 03:01:18 PM »
Whenever something has to do with anus we should assume it is a Rafidi lie as we by now know the rafida are obsessed with anything to do with the Anus (remember Mojtaba shirazi  ;D ?)
An ant from the valley of the ants possesses more intellect than a Rafidhi - Fakhr Al-Din Razi

Al Dukhan

Re: Muawiyah (RA) said to 'Amr ibn al-'As "Praise Allah and your anus"
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2015, 09:49:39 PM »
Also there is a dha'if hadith on shias one of the site ! That sahaba fingered the anus of dead body to check the person is dead of alive, bcoz among them one person said: i heard Prophet s.a.w said that, if someone died his anus becomes cold wereas the alive person's used to hot ! So they checked.
And raafdhi site mocks and goes on.
MaazAllah astaqfirullah such is their mentality, whom Allah has left astray=shias, nobody can guide them.   

 

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