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Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2015, 01:43:46 AM »
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Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
Nine, as per Tabaqat al-Kubra.


Also according to Al-Rabii b. Habib.

"Narrated Abu Obeida from Jabir ibn Zaid that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was married to the Messenger of Allah (Allah's peace and prayers be upon him) when she was six years old; and he consummated his marriage with her when she was nine years old. He did not marry a virgin among his wives except her. And when he died she was eighteen years old. She lived after him for forty eight years. She died during the time of Mu'awiyah; that is Ramadhan, year fifty eight. Abu Hurairah offered funeral prayer for her, and she was buried in al-Baqi. The number of her Hadiths is sixty eight."  (Al Jami' Al Sahih, Hadith No. 741)


This hadeeth also expresses the belief that Aisha was a virgin, something that I had (probably mistakenly) denied previously.

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Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
As for the dumb Rafidi Taha (Dhalala rather). He didn't even reaise that:

1. The marriage was CONSUMMATED when she was nine (something the retard said he has no issues with)
2. Authentic Shia narrations state that the marriage was consummated when she was 10.

I realize both that Sunni narrations say that the marriage was consummated at nine and that Shia narrations say at ten.  Why do you think I don't realize it?  I merely have a different opinion.  I said that if she was marriage and consummated at six, this is pedophilia.

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Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
perverted and sick hatred for the honour of the Prophet, the wife of the Prophet, Umm Al-Mu'minin 'Aisha.

There are also narrations that `Ali divorced Aisha from Muhammad (sawa) after his death.  Are ex-wives also mothers of the believers?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 01:58:53 AM by Ebn Hussein »

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2015, 01:43:53 AM »
Your information is not historically accurate bro.


Which part?  About Talha marrying Aisha?  It's based on hadeeth, bro.  Whether or not they are authentic, the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough to narrate.  Was that person as Sunni or Shia?



Hani

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015, 01:51:26 AM »

Which part?  About Talha marrying Aisha?  It's based on hadeeth, bro.  Whether or not they are authentic, the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough to narrate.  Was that person as Sunni or Shia?


Well I can show you a Shia narration stating that Husayn bin `Ali created the universe, some person also narrated that, doesn't make it true now does it?


Also, when you said that people report only what they believe, this is not accurate. They may have narrated and never believed it just as historians narrate a lot of self contradicting things or rumors that they don't believe in.


Do you accept narration declaring that the Prophet (saw) appointed Abu Bakr as deputy after him? Or do you only accept whatever suites your own personal convictions regardless of authenticity and reject what you dislike out of pure desire and Hawa?

عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ebn Hussein

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015, 01:53:01 AM »
^Bro he got that cheap shubhah from Yasser Al-Khabith, the recycler of cheap shubuhat. Let him bring it and let him see it crush so he learn (yet) another lesson. Look how many times he was refuted in several threads. No sincerity at all, typical Rafidi.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2015, 01:57:05 AM »
Your information is not historically accurate bro.


Which part?  About Talha marrying Aisha?  It's based on hadeeth, bro.  Whether or not they are authentic, the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough to narrate.  Was that person as Sunni or Shia?

Great way of putting things. The fact is:
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12  ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
- all shias only agree on Ali RA as their first imam and differed afterwards

« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 02:00:07 AM by Hadrami »

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015, 01:58:33 AM »
Great way of putting things. The fact is:
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12  ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
None of this bothers me.
You guys are the ones that get so offended when someone shows something in Sunni history that touches a nerve.

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2015, 02:00:45 AM »
Great way of putting things. The fact is:
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12  ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
None of this bothers me.
You guys are the ones that get so offended when someone shows something in Sunni history that touches a nerve.

doesnt matter, you said "the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough"

So im giving you the taste of your own medicine mate

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2015, 02:02:23 AM »
Great way of putting things. The fact is:
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12  ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
None of this bothers me.
You guys are the ones that get so offended when someone shows something in Sunni history that touches a nerve.

Of course it wont bothers you the fact that the majority of hasan al-askari followers or his own family didnt believe he had a son. You are believing in fictional character

Ebn Hussein

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2015, 02:02:56 AM »





I realize both that Sunni narrations say that the marriage was consummated at nine and that Shia narrations say at ten.  Why do you think I don't realize it?  I merely have a different opinion.

Too late for damage control, you already expressed your jahl and incompetence of understanding simple text.

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I said that if she was marriage and consummated at six, this is pedophilia.

Straw man. Miskeen, nobody ever claimed that, neither Sunnis nor orientalists nor even you Rafidah bredrin, so what the heck are you talking about.


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There are also narrations that `Ali divorced Aisha from Muhammad (sawa) after his death.  Are ex-wives also mothers of the believers?

Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2015, 02:18:16 AM »

Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.


Congratulations on showing your kufr. You aren't even a Sunni because Sunnis respect Ali b. Abi Talib (pbuh).  You might as well be a Jew of Khaybar, whom Ali (as) destroyed.

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2015, 02:19:59 AM »
doesnt matter, you said "the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough"

So im giving you the taste of your own medicine mate


I don't get offended over differences of opinion.  Sunnis do.  If I say Aisha committed incest, Sunnis will blow up.  If an Ibadi curses Imam Ali (pbuh), I pray for their guidance.  Big difference ;)

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2015, 02:22:13 AM »

Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.


Congratulations on showing your kufr. You aren't even a Sunni because Sunnis respect Ali b. Abi Talib (pbuh).  You might as well be a Jew of Khaybar, whom Ali (as) destroyed.

All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymore.

May i add, that ebn hussein is talking about the last one, not Ali RA. The 12th is useless, thats why his jobs is done by non infallible now. You dont believe he hides because he is afraid for his life?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 02:25:34 AM by Hadrami »

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2015, 02:23:28 AM »
doesnt matter, you said "the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough"

So im giving you the taste of your own medicine mate


I don't get offended over differences of opinion.  Sunnis do.  If I say Aisha committed incest, Sunnis will blow up.  If an Ibadi curses Imam Ali (pbuh), I pray for their guidance.  Big difference ;)

Oh really? The way you mention the shahaba shows that you hold a grudge and angry. If thats not because you are offended then I dont know what its called in shia world?  ;D

Ebn Hussein

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2015, 02:23:37 AM »

Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.


Congratulations on showing your kufr. You aren't even a Sunni because Sunnis respect Ali b. Abi Talib (pbuh).  You might as well be a Jew of Khaybar, whom Ali (as) destroyed.


Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2015, 02:24:27 AM »
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymore
Kuffar na'ini.  Not Kuffar akbar.  Muslimeen but not Momineen.


Big difference.  Only a Kafir akbar insults Ali b. Abi Talib.

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2015, 02:25:38 AM »
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.
Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.


Peace be upon them all.


If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.

Hadrami

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2015, 02:26:38 AM »
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymore
Kuffar na'ini.  Not Kuffar akbar.  Muslimeen but not Momineen.


Big difference.  Only a Kafir akbar insults Ali b. Abi Talib.

here we go again, taqiya on. Hes doing taqiya even when hes saying he doesnt practise taqiyah  :o

Taha

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2015, 02:27:41 AM »
here we go again, taqiya on. Hes doing taqiya even when hes saying he doesnt practise taqiyah  :o
I am not doing taqiyyah.  Stop playing.

Hani

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2015, 02:27:58 AM »
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymore
Kuffar na'ini.  Not Kuffar akbar.  Muslimeen but not Momineen.


Big difference.  Only a Kafir akbar insults Ali b. Abi Talib.


What if Sunnies started acting like you guys and said only a Kafir insults Abu Bakr, and thus all of you become Kouffar?


Alhamdulillah eitherway.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ebn Hussein

Re: Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2015, 02:31:49 AM »
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.
Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.


Peace be upon them all.


If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.

No Wallah, my Mahdi is not your Jewish 12th saviour. Same as for my Ali. My Ali praised Abu Bakr and Omar even after their death, yours cursed them (in his house while whispering Hebrew prayers like a Rabbi). Hence:

Only a Nasibi curses the blessed Ahl Al-Bayt (AS)
And only a Nasibi (or extreme ignorant jahil) believes that the kufri twelver religion represents the Ahl Al-Bayt (AS).
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

 

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