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Title: Umar And Bravery - Answering the Shia Allegations
Post by: MuslimK on February 18, 2016, 06:05:04 PM
Responding to Shia Claim: Umar was a Coward
 (http://twelvershia.net/2016/02/17/responding-to-shia-claim-umar-was-a-coward/)
In this article, we briefly respond to common Shia allegations that surround the character of Amir al-Muminin Umar, his bravery, and his actions during battle.

-Who did Umar kill in Battle?
-Umar leads a Battalion
-The Fear of Umar from Quraish when he converted to Islam
-Umar Runs Away from Battle at Uhud
-Umar Runs Away from Battle at Hunayn

http://twelvershia.net/2016/02/17/responding-to-shia-claim-umar-was-a-coward/

Title: Re: Umar And Bravery - Answering the Shia Allegations
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on June 06, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
A Shia of Dajjal Zindeeq tried to respond the weakening of the report from narrator Abu Hisham - regarding Umar(ra). The article has been updated about that:

Abu Hisham was weakened by the following Scholars:

(a). Imam al-Bukhari. [See, Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, page 909, #6442] ; [Tareekh Baghdad, vol 4, page 598] ; [Ilal al-Tirmidhi al-Kabeer, page 172, #301].

(b). Mohammad bin Abdullah bin Numayr. [See, Mizan al-itidal, vol 4, page 68, #8326].

(c). Imam an-Nasai. [See, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 526].

(d). Abu Hatim ar-Raazi. [Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 527].

(e). Imam Abu Amr ad-Dani. [See, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 527].

(f). Imam al-Daraqutni. [See, Su’alat Abi Abd al-Raḥman al-Sulami lil-Daraqutni fi jarḥ wa al- ta’dil wa ilal al-hadeeth, page 137].

(g). Abu Ahmad bin Adi al-Jurjani. [Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 527].

(h). Abu Ahmad al-Hakim. [See, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 527].

(i). Uthman bin Abi Shaibah. [See, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib vol 9, page 526].

(j). Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani. [See, Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, page 909, #6442].

(k). Imam ibn al-Jawzi included him in. [Kitab al-Dua’fa wa al-Matrookeen, by ibn al-Jazwi, vol 3, page 107-108, #3251].

(l). Shaykh Shuaib al-Arnaut. [Tahreer Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, vol 3, page 335, #6402] ; [Musnad Ahmad, vol 5, page 285].

(m). Shaykh Bashar Awaad Ma’roof. [Tahreer Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, vol 3, page 335, #6402].

(n). Shaykh Nasiruddin al-Albani. [Silsila al-Ahadith al-Daeefa wa al-Mawdua, vol 8, page 304-305, #3843] ; [Silsila al-Ahadith al-Daeefa wa al-Mawdua, #1216].

(o). Shaykh Wasi ullah bin Muhammad Abbas. [Fadhail al-Sahaba, vol 1, page 297, #392] ; [Fadhail al-Sahaba, vol 1, page 419, #654].

(p). Muhaqqiq Abul Ashbal Al-Zuhayri. [Jami’ bayan al-ilm wa fadlihi, vol 1, page 206, #218] ; [Jami’ bayan al-ilm wa fadlihi, vol 1, page 769-770, #1422].

(q). Muhaqqiq Dr. Abdullah al-Ruhayli. [Man tukallim fihi wa huwa muwaththaq aw saleh al-hadith, page 477-478, #323].

(r).Shaykh Abdullah bin Abdul Haleem bin Mohammad al-Sisi. [Saheeh wa Da’eef al-Ahadeeth al-Qudsiyyah, vol 2, page 114-115].

(s). The website for Hadith narrators state the same about Abu Hisham. [Screen shot].

(t). Imam ad-Dhahabi included him in [Al-Mughni fi ‘l-Du’afa (an authoritative abridged manual of weak narrators) – vol 2 page 388, #6092] and [Deewan al-Duafa wal Matrookeen, page 380 #4044]. ad-Dhahabi also stated that: He has many Manakeer(denounced reports) in [Man tukallim fihi wa huwa muwaththaq aw saleh al-hadith, page 477-478, #323] implying that even though he was an honest narrator who was accused incorrectly, yet he was a weak narrator, who narrated many denounced reports.

(u). Ibn Hibban even though included him in his Kitab al-Thiqaat, yet he pointed out that he used to make mistakes, which implies that he was an honest guy, but weak in hadith transmission. [Kitab al-Thiqaat, vol 5, page 466].

Further details in the below link:
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/the-bravery-of-imam-abu-bakrra-and-imam-umarra/
Title: Re: Umar And Bravery - Answering the Shia Allegations
Post by: Soccer on June 17, 2020, 09:36:55 PM
You should learn a thing about linguistics. You tend to distort language beyond norms too much and people would never speak in a way you guys suggest.