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Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir

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Optimus Prime

Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« on: October 01, 2015, 04:13:45 PM »
Asalamualaikum to all the brothers.

May Allah bless you all, Ameen. :)

As per http://forum.twelvershia.net/suggestions-complaints/posting-videos-of-non-related-shia-content/

I've got permission from management to post content that is non-Shia related.

This is a series by Maulana Mohammad Yasir on the topic Is Allah Above The Thone.

It's a very comprehensive, educational, and informative 4-part series where the Maulana (May Allah preserve him) discusses, and refutes claims by other sects/schools of thought who believe Allah is literally above the throne.

This may or may not be of interested to certain brothers here, and a few might even find it controversial. The purpose of posting this series is not to outright offend anyone or cause unecessary controversy, but merely to inform those who don't know there is another opinion that is shared by many classical scholars with supporting evidence from the Qur'an, and Sunnah.

Kindly watch attentively, and leave any feedback or questions you may have for the Maulana.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 04:18:04 PM by Imam Ali »

Farid

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 08:44:28 PM »
I disagree with content and find it controversial. Perhaps videos should be limited to matters that are not controversial amongst Sunni sects. As you are aware, we have come together here to do da'awa to Shias and refute them. There are maaany other places to do the same with Sunnis.

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 08:55:54 PM »
If I can make a suggestion, what about the lock the thread, and not allow any discussion any on the topic?

I recommended to the Maulana that I'd to promote their videos here because this is an established site with knowledgeable brothers with a thirst for even more knowledge. Likewise, they will also promtoe the good-work of twelvershia.

Khaled

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 09:07:36 PM »
If I can make a suggestion, what about the lock the thread, and not allow any discussion any on the topic?

I recommended to the Maulana that I'd to promote their videos here because this is an established site with knowledgeable brothers with a thirst for even more knowledge. Likewise, they will also promtoe the good-work of twelvershia.

With all due respect akhi, most of us are long past this Athari/Ashari nonsense; the Atharis aren't Mujasimma, and the Ash'aris aren't Mu'atillah, and neither Al-Gahazali or ibn Taymiyah رحمهما الله are prophets that we have to accept everything they say or we are misguided.

The Athari and the Ash'ari school are both valid schools, and arguing about that when the atheists, the Shi'as and the khawarij are all at our doorsteps is the ultimate sign of lack of knowledge and wisdom.
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Hani

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 09:08:24 PM »
Oh definitely a controversial one, since the Muslims have split into two legitimate groups originally when it comes to these things, one group took verses literally in a way that suites Allah's majesty and believed in them word for word as they are apparent out of fear of Allah, then another group interpreted the Qur'anic words with the intention of elevating Allah above all creations while giving eloquent linguistic explanations.

I don't have an issue with both groups, issue is they're at each-other's throats.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Khaled

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 09:09:58 PM »
Oh definitely a controversial one, since the Muslims have split into two legitimate groups originally when it comes to these things, one group took verses literally in a way that suites Allah's majesty and believed in them word for word as they are apparent out of fear of Allah, then another group interpreted the Qur'anic words with the intention of elevating Allah above all creations while giving eloquent linguistic explanations.

I don't have an issue with both groups, issue is they're at each-other's throats.

LOL, we literally wrote the same thing within seconds
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Farid

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2015, 09:11:29 PM »
@ Imam Ali: To lock the thread is to prohibit readers from the opposing point of view. Is it not?

@ Hani: ...and since they are at each other's throats, I see that this does more harm than good when it comes to da'awa to Shias.

Khaled

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 09:14:32 PM »
@ Imam Ali: To lock the thread is to prohibit readers from the opposing point of view. Is it not?

@ Hani: ...and since they are at each other's throats, I see that this does more harm than good when it comes to da'awa to EVERYONE; muslim and non-Muslim alike.

I think you should've said it this way
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 09:16:48 PM »
If I can make a suggestion, what about the lock the thread, and not allow any discussion any on the topic?

I recommended to the Maulana that I'd to promote their videos here because this is an established site with knowledgeable brothers with a thirst for even more knowledge. Likewise, they will also promtoe the good-work of twelvershia.

With all due respect akhi, most of us are long past this Athari/Ashari nonsense; the Atharis aren't Mujasimma, and the Ash'aris aren't Mu'atillah, and neither Al-Gahazali or ibn Taymiyah رحمهما الله are prophets that we have to accept everything they say or we are misguided.

The Athari and the Ash'ari school are both valid schools, and arguing about that when the atheists, the Shi'as and the khawarij are all at our doorsteps is the ultimate sign of lack of knowledge and wisdom.

Non taken, akhi.

I understand what you're saying.

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 09:17:51 PM »
I leave it to the mangement, and the rest of the brothers to do ashura, and decides what's best.

Either way there are no hard feelings. :)
« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 09:27:30 PM by Imam Ali »

Khaled

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2015, 09:19:18 PM »
I leave it to the mangement, and the rest of the brothers to do ashura, and decides what's best.

Either there are no hard feelings. :)

You want us to "do Ashura"??  You want us to beat our backs with swords?  ;D;D;D;D

The word you're looking for akh is shura, barak Allahu feek
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2015, 09:23:37 PM »
ROFL. I feel embarrassed now.

Jazak'Allah for correcting me. I really need to start learning Arabic.

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2015, 09:23:59 PM »
I leave it to the mangement, and the rest of the brothers to do ashura, and decides what's best.

Either way there are no hard feelings. :)

Farid

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2015, 09:26:48 PM »
Links to videos have been deleted. I made ashura and it hurt, then  decided to get rid of the post.

No offense to Maulana Mohammad Yassir, but I do not want division between Sunnis on my forums.

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2015, 09:39:16 PM »
No problem brother Farid, I'll let everyone know.

Please delete my last post.

Al Dukhan

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2015, 11:57:47 PM »
By the way bro imam ali, be cool dont be sentimental ! I can understand :-O

Ibn Yahya

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 12:43:11 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that Atharism and Ash'arism are valid schools and even if we disagree, unity amongst Ahl as-Sunnah is more important. We can express our views and the evidences but I've noticed that there are sites that will attempt refuting Atharis or Ash'aris while not saying a word on the Khawarij and the Rawafid.

Khaled

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2015, 01:02:42 AM »
... but I've noticed that there are sites that will attempt refuting Atharis or Ash'aris while not saying a word on the Khawarij and the Rawafid.
In all honesty, I've found that ALL sites that do that don't say a word about the khawarij or the rawafid, unless they are accusing the other side of being one of them
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Ebn Hussein

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2015, 04:12:33 AM »
This is a Sunni board discussing Sunni-Shia matters, for Allah's sake, there are plenty of other boards for such topics. Please remove such threads, nobody needs them over here.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Optimus Prime

Re: Is Allah Above The Throne - Maulana Mohammad Yasir
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2015, 08:49:19 AM »
Can a member of staff, please lock the thread.

 

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