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sid

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where ebn hussein? can someone explain this??
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 01:11:58 AM by Ebn Hussein »

Pearl

https://youtu.be/gXebIumf-EI 


where ebn hussein? can someone explain this??
Brother we don't even know the full story and anyway the Rafida team were slandering brother Muhammad in the description of this video. They only changed  the description because people were calling them out. The Rafida team are rude and arrogant like the Shias of ahlul-bayt

Mythbuster1

Lol your not turning sunni coz of that?
Mate your deluded, your being naieve your kidding yourself, they can insult our mothers and are we gonna sit back??? NO WAY we tell them straight you can have and agree on mistakes but INSULTS .......NO, some may take it others like myself have real love for our history and our Sahaba including Ali ra and all able baith ra........have you seen the NASTY comments on the you tube vid on rafidhi channel........" Aisha followers.......bakris......." etc etc, you must have weak faith and weak faith is of no use

To be honest stay as you are if you are basing sunni fiqh according to a YOUTUBE vid LOL honestly 😂

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Look how they lie and falsely accuse one of the brothers to be an associate of a lunatic extremist group. False accusation is what Shias are proud of? Perhaps, they are acting upon the instruction of their hateful narrations:

إذا رأيتم أهل البدع والريب – غير الشيعي أو الشيعي المهتدي – فأظهروا البراءة منهم وأكثروا من سبهم والقول فيهم والوقيعة ، وباهتوهم – اي ابهتوهم بالكذب والبهتان – كي لا يطمعوا في الفساد في الإسلام ويحذرهم الناس )

[ وسائل الشيعة ج 11 ص 508] [ نهج الإنتصار ص 152] .[ تنبيه الخواطر ج 2 ص 162]

Imam Al-sajjad (as) said: If you see people of suspicion and innovation – other than shias or new shia – then show disownment from them and abuse them much, backbit them, make false accusations on them – that is, backbite them by attributing lies on them and make false accusations on them (‘Buhtaan’) …

[wasael al-shia v.11 p. 508 – Nahj al-intisaar p.152 - tanbiah al-khawatir v.2 p.162]

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Hadrami

attributing lies and make false accusations are shia's religion


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It was the Sunnis who controlled the situation and calmed things down as even mentioned in the video you shared.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2017, 02:08:42 PM by MuslimK »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hadrami

@ Shia member

It was the Sunnis who controlled the situation and calmed things down as even mentioned in the video you shared.

The clip doesnt show what happened prior to that commotion, but i wont be surprised if it has something to do with a sunni reacting to a shia insult on our mother Aisha RA

Rationalist

They actually praise Muhammad Hijab here.

https://youtu.be/gXebIumf-EI?t=114

Ebn Hussein

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where ebn hussein? can someone explain this??

I, Ebn Hussein (Majoos spelling it Hossein in their Majoosi speak) aka proud contributor to Anti-Majos Productions (may Allah be pleased with them), are here to help you oiy of your misery, don't you worry.

1. As one of the brothers stated, how dishonest one must be to doubt the truth of Islam and falsehood of Rafidism due a 2min clip uploaded by a a people whose religion literally allowd them to LIE (yed lie) and make FALSE accusations against their opponents? The actual truth be more beloved to you, or as our master 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضوان الله عليه) said:
 
أنظر إلى ما قال ولا تنظر إلى من قال

"Look at what is being said not who is saying it."

be amongst the honest ones, may Allah guide you and us.

2. I have explained myself on my official twitter account yesterday here:

https://twitter.com/SHEMRANI1424/status/876213606844706821

here a summary:

- Firstly I am not an associate of that devil Khariji and embarassing jahil Anjem Choudary, my position towards his likes are quite known, one only needs to visit my social media accounts to verify this.

Ironically the picture was taken from a 2013 demonstration against Shia state terrorism in front of the Iranian embassy in London against an up coming mass execution of Sunni preachers in Iran. Only me and Dr Mollazadeh were supposed to speak, we did so and left immediately as we were not informed that Choudary and his gang will practically hijack the event. There is a REASON why I have never been seen with them before or after that event, yet these dishonest RafidaOrg Mushrikeen (may Allah curse their souls) claim I am an associate of them due to a single picture where Choudary happens to be in close proxemity to me in a demo he wasn't invited!! In either case, the pictures and even a video are all over the net ever since 2013, hardly a new discovery they made, just a cheap shot, cheaper than their sect.

- It was not me who entered the room in the middle of the debate, that's not my voice, it was aa angry brother who should of controlled himself.but couldn't after realising the face of Ali Hosseini and his crew who are known to make takfir on Sahabah and congratulating to their death anniversaries. These stuff makes you have alot of enemies, tough luck.

- I arrived at the event, the building was a public building and, we were allowed in, I myself hold my dear brother Abu Ismail Al-Farsi back when he wanted to enter the actual venue room as the Rafida mushrikeen stipulated that me and him are not allowed to join the discussion. It was only after Muhammad Hijab's camera man told us to come in saying it hasn't even started I.e. come in but leave once it starts.

- We went in then the white ghutra wearing speaker of them (Hassan Al Qadiri) got up and in a disrespectful tone asked us to get out we were about to, however brother Abu Ismail reminded that gassed mushrik to change his tone, the mushrik refused then I got angry, situation got heated a bit but nothing else happend, we left and sat outside and the security even told us after a while to completely leave the building as only those who are in the actual venue room are allowed to stay.

- We stayed outside for a while, I saw a number of these mushriks (and addressed all of them as such, the least bara2a they deserve) I wanted to confront and merely ask questions to them, including Yahya Seymour the double faced "Ustadh" of Ali Hosseini and the rest of them, ever since they lied in Nov 2016 about me, releasing a video with private pictures from my facebook account, claiming that I am the Anti-Majos owner (than after seeing that I don't deny my affiliation to anti majos and in fact would be proud of being the anti majos owner and founder, but sadly I am not, I am merely a contributer who maybe produced 20% of Anti Majos clips, a shock to them,the as they thought I would be scared ans deny everything) that resulted in me, my family including our toddlers receiving several death threats from Rafidis associated to them, I have got.even evidence from an Ex-Sufi gravewoeshipper turned Rafidi graveworshipper from London who (I have all the evidences) can be seen celebrating Aishah's death in the Majoosi temple of Yasser Al-Khabith in Fulmer, thanking the Rafidaorg team to expose me and revealing my details as he wants to stab me. Another one associated with them threatened to kidnap my babies, of course as Rafidah are known, bunch of cowards, however all these threats were done, a particular user who is clearly affiliated to them and sometimes comments under their video is زرارة بن آعين لعنة الله عليه he explicitly stated he and their team have details and even my address and other indirect threats.

I confronted ALL those scum Majoos AFTER the debate, one of them a slough boy Rafidi (who was seen a few days ago in Slough smoking in daylight in Ramadan!!!) apparently called the feds, some say it was the security guard, in either case I confronted all of them, I had sabr since Nov for this day, asking them who sends me these threats, with what permission did they use my pictures in their videos, they denied everything and eventually left.

That's it, nothing more happened, drama queen Rawafilth are like little girls, nobody touched a hair of theirs I had personal.issues, rightfully so, everybody would confront scum who are responsible for threats against ones own family.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 01:11:12 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Hani

"How can I become Muslim when some Muslims are terrorists?"

Do you believe the above is a legit excuse to reject truth? The answer to that is the answer to the OP.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

of course they will make a big drama of everything. If someone makes a threat against my family, the least i would do is to confront them. Maybe they expect us to be like their majoos queen ali who did nothing when his wife & kids were abused. They forgot that we are the followers of real chivalrous ali who wont sit back and do nothing. What a religion full of drama queens.

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attributing lies and make false accusations are shia's religion



Good point raised. I'm not even surprised anymore.
Note: I'm just a layman.

I'm not interested in engaging a debate. I'm here to gain knowledge about the true beliefs of Twelver Shi'ism إن شاء الله.

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https://youtu.be/gXebIumf-EI 


where ebn hussein? can someone explain this??

May Allah guide you to the straight path. Aameen.

OP, a few people comitting a certain action =/= represent the religion.

And as some others here have mentioned, the clip is cut off (which is fishy indeed) and taken out of context.
Note: I'm just a layman.

I'm not interested in engaging a debate. I'm here to gain knowledge about the true beliefs of Twelver Shi'ism إن شاء الله.

Ebn Hussein

Exposing MajoosOrg's shameless lies:

On the day of the debate, a vile and vicious individual called Khaled Al-Shimmari was with the MajoosOrg lot.  He's an Kuwaiti Ex-Sufi Jahil who became Majoosi at the hands of Yasser Al-Khabith around 10 years ago in London, a loser in Dunya and Akhirah.

He's an absolute foul mouth and has his own show on Fadak TV, spewing the same old recycled shubuhat, cursing the Sahabah non-stop and acting like a badman (in real life he's a skinny midget).

I was later told by our dear friend and Sheikh Muhammad Tarawneh (who was with Muhammad Hijab in the venue room) that in the moment it got heated (remember, the short moment me and Abu Ismail Al-Farsi entered the debate room BEFORE the actual debate started and were told to leave) that midget mushrik looked at Shaykh Tarawneh and said (I am rephrasing a famous Arabic statement):

"You better take care of them before I will crush them."

Lol, he said that to the Shaykh instead to me who was standing right next to him! Shaykh gave him a good answer though, by replying:

"How do you know WHO  will be crushed if I were NOT here?"

The Rafidi became silent. Anyway this vile mushrik as stated before has updated his Instragram with the following message that I shall translate for you to see how deluded and pagan these mushriks are:



Translation:

"In the name of Allah. By the blessings of Fatimah and Ali, peace be upon them [notice how he doesn't mention Allah, Sufi extremists mention at least the Messenger, Rafida skip him in their idolatry as usual] the most extreme Wahhabis from London "have been stepped on" (Arabic saying for destroyed) in a debate that was hold today, amongst them the student of Ibn Baz and Ibn Uthaimeen (Muhammed Hijab) and friends of Anjem Choudary, the currently locked up terrorist."


Wallahi, what can I say except: La3natullahi 3ala Al-Rafida, they are as the scholars said: The most deprived from 3aql (intelligences) and akdhab Al-Khalq (most lying of all creation).

First of all, Ya Shimmari, Ya Mutandiq, Ya newborn Majoosi, how can a young lad like Muhammed Hijab (who is in his early 20's) be a student of Ibn Baz and Ibn Uthaimeen when at the time of the death of these two great scholars he (I.e. Muhammed Hijab) was a few years old?! If you change your mind and say you meant Imran ibn Mansur than that's the same thing, he's in his early 20's too and as a matter of fact nobody in that room, not even Shaykh Muhammed Tarawneh is a student of Ibn Baz or Ibn Uthaimeen.

Secondly, the liar claimed that Anjem Choudary's lot were present, again a blatant lie, not a single brother was associated to the Khariji devil Choudary, in fact all of us despise him, with me the most wallahu a3lam. As for the picture they MISUSED against me, then I have explained myself in this very thread in detail, Choudary happened (without our knowledge) to participate (with his crew) at a (ironically) demonstration against Shia state terrorism, he pushed himself next to us, I've been never been seen with that clown ever again and as I said on my Twitter (those who follow me know my stance on extremists such as Qaida, Daesh etc. in fact I have received numerous death threats and takfir from those nutters):

"Anjem Choudary belongs in a cellar just like the barbaric Majoosi cellar dweller Dajjal of the Rafida."

Anyway, I hope everybody takes a lesson and realises that these pagans can never be trusted, lying flow in their veins, abusing and slandering and openly lying upon their opponents is how their worship their buried deities, so don't trust a word or picture they spread.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 01:17:37 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

One more thing: We spotted Yahya Seymour on that day (Gargamal Aka Sissy hand Ali HoOsseini mentioned more than once that he i.e. Seymour is Sissy hand's mentor and Shaykh), he quickly defended himself claiming he just came as an observer, it seems that Al-Shimmari has unknowingly exposed Yahya by praising him (for what ...).


الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

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They have no shame!!
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Khaled

https://youtu.be/gXebIumf-EI 


where ebn hussein? can someone explain this??

السلام عليكم sister

I notice that you constantly have these problems of "should I be Sunni/Shi'i?" which lead you to a lot of spiritual crises.  The reality is, you should be a Muslim like Allah asks us to be in the Qur'an.  From the perspective of a 12er Shi'i, everyone who is not a 12er is a Sunni.  That means, everyone from those nutty kharijites that tried to interrupt the debate to Hamza Yusuf and Nouman Ali Khan are "Sunnis."  The reality is the difference between those nutters (and some of them are on this thread والله المستعان) and people like Hamza, Nouman, Yasir Qadhi etc are night and day.

I recommend you stop looking at 90%+ of the Muslim population as a "different sect" and to think of us as your Muslim brother and sisters.  I can almost guarantee that you'll stop having these spiritual crashes when you are around people who want to be good Muslim, who aren't all about cursing and sending la'nah on the other side.  We are all Muslims...
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Hadrami

the shia kafir (yes, he openly said Abu Bakr, Aisha etc as kafir) was destroyed, but at least he could claim victory in viewership no. Their other videos are flops, except when it mention antimajos, hasan & muhammad

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Muhammad Hijab's comment about this incident and the false claims from the Shia side:

I just want to add another point since i think this video is incredibly misleading.

1. The people who came into the room were to black brothers who seemed to reside in the local area and NOT brother Hassan who you attempted to defame in your video. 2. They were intending to beat you up and none of the Shia there attempted to defend themselves physically which is why our intervention was crucial and timely 3. The brother who you attempted to defame was initially invited to the event then, upon instruction from Rafida, was uninvited . 4. The brother who is seen with Anjem Choudhary has confirmed that he has absolutely no connection to him and that he is completely indifferent to Choudhary on an ideological level so having these pictures is sad to see. 5. How do you know that the black boys that came in are Salafi ? did they wear a name badge saying Salafi? This fetish you have with Salafis, naming anyone who is indifferent to you as one, is weird to say the least.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Hadrami

do we expect anything less from that cursed nation? Lies & slander are in their blood. Id be surprised if they didnt do this

 

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